Canada Admits - Alien Technology Operated by the USA

chastise me as much as you want but don't twist my words, i didn't say "believe everything everyone says" or anything like it. i am simply trying to say that a mans word should not require anything as evidence besides his character in this situation.

the book or tv show that switched him on to the UFO things means nothing, i don't care if "men in black" switched him on, if someone who isn't easily convinced of fanciful stories is convinced by the evidence, it lends credibility to the topic.

the fact that he held high office in any western nation lends credibility to his ability to tell the difference between the truth and fairy tales.

the reason we're all so annoyed about stuff like the reasons for war in iraq is because we believe these politicians should be able to tell the difference. that's why we pay them so much freaking money.

OMG

Please, EVERYONE READ THIS

STOP the TOPIC ....

this subject was discussed before...

this video is OLD ... this guy was interviewed by an american channel... his conclusions are based on a book .... he doesnt have any proof ... he is saying what he thinks is right ...

really...everyone STOP and READ this ....

there are ton of topics about this subject ...

Originally posted by pieman
what i don't do is whine about the lack of hard evidence...

No, but you do a lot of other whining.

presented by someone who is giving his personal opinion because he has been asked to speak about his personal opinion.

Thank you! I do not disagree with you on this at all. My only purpose in pitching in, here in this thread, is to state what this is - his personal belief, his personal opinion. I take it as my duty to make sure my fellow internet citizens are as informed as they can be and think as clearly as they can - knowledge is power.

I have a problem when people use someone's belief and use it as evidence. Since you do not appear to be taking such a stance, could it be that you and I are not so different after all?

meh, forget it, derail away. talk about the mans nationality or the books he reads or the TV he watches, anything rather than his actual track record or credentials or anything else that might actually establish his credibility.

His nationality has nothing to do with this discussion. And it seems that his background has nothing to do with it either, at first sight. Yet, upon closer examination, his background speaks volumes.

If he came out now and said that he dealt with various super classified programs investigating alien craft/existence, and has read or even created certain documents for the military, and so on, and so on... I would be more inclinced to listen and give him my attention.

But since he mentions nothing of the sort, and since he was a skeptic while at his high position, and only became a believer much later in his life, and sadly enough, only after he read a book and watched a tv expose/documentary/show... This just illustrates that nothing about his belief in aliens and their contact with the US government came from his position as minister of defense. There is nothing gleaned from his position, there is nothing contributed to the alien story from his position.

So, let's talk about facts. Let's ignore our passionate beliefs, and let's talk about facts, since it is your opinion that idiots are never satisfied. Well, this idiot (me) is attempting to establish some facts, a feat that's rather unusual for idiots. How do you respond?

Originally posted by pieman
the reason we're all so annoyed about stuff like the reasons for war in iraq is because we believe these politicians should be able to tell the difference. that's why we pay them so much freaking money.

"we" pay them so much money is because the system is built in such a way that the money is extracted from us. We don't pay in the sense that the action is not taken by us.

In fact, the overwhelming consensus was for the TARP $850 billion bailout NOT to go through. Didn't stop them, did it? So tell me how we pay them - we don't. They pay themselves from our pockets.

If there is anything that we all should have learned from the war in Iraq (WMD) and 9/11 is that the people in authority have a different agenda than the common folks over which they preside. We should have learned that the public does not know the truth and that the public is manipulated.

Especially if a person is an authority figure, we need to listen to his words but think of the meaning behind them. What is he or she trying to accomplish? How is he or she attempting to sway the public? Then think about why this person of authority wants the public to be swayed this way or that way.

It is foolish to trust something that a SOMEBODY says simply because they are a somebody.

Now, this particular canadian chap... I don't accuse him of any conspiracy. I believe he is genuine and that he means what he says. He doesn't have anything to gain and has nothing to lose. He is stating his own personal opinion, which happens to agree with other people's personal opinions.

Originally posted by tigpoppa
canada knows something about the usa?

gimme a break those shmucks couldnt find their way out of a paper bag unless the way out was lined with maple syrup.

seriously though they have no spies and no military that is worth its merit due to its widespread malnutrition their people just are not fit to judge the USA. No matter though we love em for being those crazy kanucks and here is another reason why thier CRAZY.

I seriously hope this was an attempt to be funny. Although even if it is, it's only showing that you are an ignorant fool.

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No military? I'm sure. Not only did Canadians basically invent peace-keeping, they also have the best snipers in the world.

Furthermore, our governments are so intertwined most people would be hard-pressed to be capable of discerning where Bush's ass and Harper's hand begins. A Canadian Minister of Defense would have a hell of a lot of information.

Oh, and I'm an American.

reply to post by gandalph


i'm not suggesting you are an idiot, i said that to require absolute proof (an alien kicking you) before you will believe anything would make someone an idiot.

there is no absolute proof.

Please excuse the title & description. I did not write them, I just copied and pasted them from the video - meaning the uploader of the video wrote them.

reply to post by tigpoppa


Maybe you should travel a little or read a book

We have a military some of the best soldiers in the world, but unlike American bullies our work is with peacekeeping.
You make a mess while we try to fix things.

Oh and we have free health care, and that's because we don't spend 600billion+ a year on things designed to kill people.

If only we could find our way out of that paper bag, maybe we could teach you where the USA is on the map.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Good Afternoon,

I am a Canadian, so perhaps biased. Our Minister of Defense is akin to your Secretary of Defense and we are no less likely to appoint an idiot than the USA is.

The Canadian military although quite thin, is some of the most heavily trained individuals in the world. What we lack in numbers, we make up for in sheer effort. But I digress, this isn't the point of my comment.

If you were an engineer, and read a book about some new engineering principals, you would be able to pick out the discrepancies or agree with the content, based on your experience with the subject, the math, the principals of the material. I think this bears in parallel to the strength that is put into the book he read.

Being a Minister, he is aware of the intricacies of politics, the cover ups and the method that the governments at large operate. He would be far more aware of the "SOP" (standard operating procedure) that would be in effect with "Secret". "Top Secret" or above material, than most of us.

In addition, any inter government military projects would also go past his desk. So, I give this man credibility, not on his material evidence, of which he presents none, but on the evidence of his reversal in belief. To go from a politician that thinks UFO's are flights of fancy to one that believes they have already been here, sharing technology, is a significant jump. That in itself should be an awakening for some.

To dismiss him, based on his opinion and not consider his experience in government, not necessarily ufo's, is so blatantly ignorant I find it hard to comprehend. Of course It's ok not to agree with him, but consider the sheer weight of his experience when you make that judgment.

Not every Canadian is a Maple Syrup soaked rube, anymore than every southerner is a Banjo playing inbred.

Thanks for reading.

..Ex

Originally posted by Drewdatt
We have a military some of the best soldiers in the world, but unlike American bullies our work is with peacekeeping.

We need to stop the tit-for-tat Canada/America bashing. I think we can all agree that it's France that really sucks, right Canucks and Yanks?

I like France...especially the fries and toast.

Originally posted by gandalph

Originally posted by kronos11
this video offers a great deal of credibility to the ufo disclosure regardless what Hellyer does or doesn't know. he seems mostly genuine and passionate in his approach. He also came out last year publicly questioning 911

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To you he seems "mostly" genuine? A person is either genuine or not. if he is "mostly" genuine then some parts are not. Which means he is not genuine.

As for his "genuineness" about UFOs... If he is that convincing, he simply could be genuinely mistaken, misdirected.

Just look at how many religions there are and how genuine their respective adherents are.

this is true. normally I tend to distrust politicians so that's why I termed him mostly genuine. no longer is it just a snake in the grass(ie. bush) anymore, it's getting harder and harder to tell(obama). yes he could be genuinely mistaken but he seems to firmly believe that there is undeniable proof and so do I.

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Exactly and very well said. Not to mention that he can't give the specifics, but obviously was privy to a lot of information that I for one want to know. Unlike the US, we don't have monies disappearing into black projects here and there in large funds. Our system is a bit different and this man held the highest position of defense in administration there was.

reply to post by tigpoppa


I don't care if I get crap for this but....

bite me you ignorant yankee p.o.s. Canada blows the US out of the water.

Our women are hotter.
Beer is stronger.
You don't go to jail for weed.
School system is better.
Qualitiy of living is better.
Comedians are funnier.

On and on and on ......

Before you spout of about your "friends" to the north. Be careful what you say.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


seriously, as an american im embarassed someone would say maple syrup and malnutritioned. Hahaha the only time we ever invaded Canada we lost. Great job right. And there was never a retaliation (thanks). and now we trade, adn you get grass decriminalized and no foreign wars while we ar hellbent on breakin the bank and killing our strong men able to be brainwashed. Go USA? NOT


ed o'donnel independent president 2012

Originally posted by DazE777
reply to post by tigpoppa

 

bite me you ignorant yankee p.o.s. Canada blows the US out of the water.

Our women are hotter.
Beer is stronger.
You don't go to jail for weed.
School system is better.
Qualitiy of living is better.
Comedians are funnier.

i love canada.. we suck. royally. too bad we're all gonna be one happy family with mexico in a couple of years.

[edit on 19-12-2008 by kronos11]

I don't think a merger with Canada and Mexico would be that bad of a thing. We'd have to beef up internationally drug-traffic patrolling, but otherwise there wouldn't be that much of a difference. Presently you can get a job in the U.S. with only a canadian driver's license as authorization to work, many workers are coming from Mexico anyway, U.S. travelers tend to visit both or are sent there on company business, etc...

[edit on 19-12-2008 by saint4God]

Canadians are not going to accept mergers with governments that have fascist leanings. We're middle ground nation with a lot more respect for social programs, human rights, equalization, good medical services, and school systems. Sorry, but thats going nowhere.

One thing I cannot understand about the whole "Govt official" admittance of belief in or claims of ETs visiting earth:

I think the popular belief is that the "Govt" is withholding, and has lied and aggressively defended the information it knows about the enigma.

It has done so since the modern age of ufology. 60+ years say?

One agency has said that it's used the UFO issue to hide Black Project tests.

So the question for me becomes, how can any of you actually believe any retired, or current military/intelligence or govt. personnel when it comes to this subject?

You simply cannot know the ultimate motivations. They could still be under the payroll, or directed by the very people you believe are holding all the cards.

"Why would he risk credibility to come out with this?" I can already hear some thinking...because that's what he was told or mandated to do. And it's worked wonderfully.

So I'm curious, why even listen.

(for the record I don't buy into disclosure or that there will ever be an official statement on the reality of this phenomena - I don't think it'll ever be a top-down revelation)



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