Canada Admits - Alien Technology Operated by the USA

I hope this was not posted already I did not have time to read all the posts, but I do believe that Hellyer was in government at the time of the Shag Harbor incident in 1967, not sure if he was a minister at the time or not, now if they actually found a UFO at the bottom of the harbor I would have to say he would be privy to a lot of TOP SECRET info.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Agreed. There is a misunderstanding people have. They believe critical thinking is equivalent to being a "non-believer", or cynic. Critical thinking and skepticism are essential to discovering any truth.

I believe UFO's are here, and maybe aliens have tried to help us or intervene. But I'm not going to believe just anyone who'd make claims that support my beliefs.

Just so we're clear where we're at:

A random Canadian man claims he believes in UFOs. He used to have a job that may have enabled him access to such knowledge, but his belief has nothing to do with that. Indeed, nothing from the time he was in that position led to his belief at all.

Perhaps the thread title could be amended to:

"Canadian civilian reads book on UFOs. Believes it."

Originally posted by synchro
With all due respect to Mr. Hellyer, why not include some compelling evidence to back up his claim that the United States possesses extraterrestrial technology other than a brief description of some documents that he read?

Maybe...just maybe, if there was real, substantial evidence that can go unquestioned that he can use...he probably would have.

This would further bolster his credibility in addition to his previously held post of Canadian Defense Minister.

For someone of his stature to go out on the limb and run the risk of ruining his career and his life by stating something like this is "evidence" enough for me. Think about it...seriously. Would you bolster your credibility by speaking such nonsense if you're not certain what you're speaking has a lot of truth to it?

Everyone knows that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence why not present some in this case?

And this is why I believe that, if he could provide such extraordinary evidence...he would. Maybe...just maybe...there is still more to come?

Also, I think he (and others) are jumping the gun by politicizing the issue using the technology to remedy climate change rather than focusing on validating his original claim that extraterrestrial visitors have not only made contact with humans, but shared their technology. If true, this would be the most important story/event in human history and the focus should remain there until proven. There will be plenty of time for the political fallout afterwards.

I agree with that 100%

If other countries have also made contact and have also obtained extraterrestrial technology as Mr. Hellyer alluded to in his speech, shouldn't those countries also disclose this and share the technology as well?

If I'm correct, isn't Russia quite open about it's UFO findings, as well a few other countries, Japan for example? One must remember...everything isn't the way it is in comics. Everyone has an agenda of some sort...including leaders of several countries.

Which countries was he referring to?

Interesting question.

Something doesn't quite seem right about all of this....

No...something doesn't seem quite right about all of this...

Personally I'm glad he didn't focus on dates, documents and reconstructions. I liked his speach and found him credible. Since so many ppl starred synchro I'll share why I feel the opposite. Just my views and opinions.

Originally posted by synchro
..why not include some compelling evidence to back up his claim that the United States possesses extraterrestrial technology other than a brief description of some documents..

Could be one or many of following:
* He's speach was directed at the proverbial chior.
* He would have to consult with lawers first, takes time money.
* He may not have access to any evidence as the gov can be very good at not leaving trails. He is no longer serving as minister as such doesn't have clearance to secret docs and any talks, sightings, even meeting of aliens makes for nothing more than a story. Which also seems to corrode peoples belief in a person. Currently it is perfectly acceptaable to belive if you havn't had your own incident but the more extravagant a persons experience the more their mental health is challenged.
* He centred on his more important concern about USA militarizing space. So any evidence not relating directly to that would just distract people from his central message.
* He is asking for and official investigation and study in Canada and that would be the time to present such evidence.
* There is more than enough evidence out there to confirm our being visited by alien life and peoples personal belief says more about who they are than what proof exists. We have endless photes, video, eye whitnesses, trace evidence, whistleblowers, alien componds shown to be just that at the world best labs etc.
* Or he may (as I think synchro was implying) not have any real first hand proof. Which would be odd considering how certain he presented himself, its a big risk and nothing to gain.
* He may be lying flat out, which would destroy his lifes achievements if found out and is totally at odds with his lifes and career actions.

Everyone knows that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence why not present some in this case?

I think that only applies if you wish change peoples beliefs. I don't think Paul Hellyer was worried about weather you believe he has proof or not of aliens visiting. He wanted people to believe that both space based weapons, too much power in the hands of non elected miliyary industrial members, potentally attacking exterterestrial visiters are bad ideas. Also pushing for an offical Canadian investigation. His expertise on all of those are rested on his success as former MoD.

Also, I think he (and others) are jumping the gun by politicizing the issue using the technology to remedy climate change rather than focusing on validating his original claim that extraterrestrial visitors have not only made contact with humans, but shared their technology.

There are already masses of ppl evangelising the idea of a military and alien colusion. Involving the Trade of tech for freedom to abduct. The reality sustainable energy indypendence is massive and just as important as alien contact. Our whole understanding of life is based around paying for energy. Unlimited free energy would solve all problems of povety, starvation and much of the economic divide. Sience, work, entertainment, the political system and most of all the world economy would not exist as we know it. Our days would be free to pursue spirituality, the arts, inner peace or selflessly working on the betterment of mankind and existance.

If other countries have also made contact and have also obtained extraterrestrial technology.. shouldn't those countries also disclose and share the technology as well?

YES! I guess the focus on USA was due Canada's proximity, close political ties, USA's military leading (leading to best use of alien tech), USA's Star Wars program and strongest denial af ET/UFO phenomenon of all Earths countries.

~Cheers~

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
For someone of his stature to go out on the limb and run the risk of ruining his career and his life by stating something like this is "evidence" enough for me. Think about it...seriously. Would you bolster your credibility by speaking such nonsense if you're not certain what you're speaking has a lot of truth to it?

What career is he at risk of ruining?

People seem to be ignoring Savior's posts, and this "position of authority" thing really needs putting to bed. Mr Hellyer may be considered an expert on matters of Canadian defense in the 1960s. During this period, as he acknowledges himself, he encountered nothing to make him believe in UFOs. That is his area of expertise.

Speaking now, by his own admission, he is simply a civilian who has read a book and - perhaps - spoken to a shadowy figure, who makes no sense in context. He is speaking from no more of a position of authority than a random person on the street.

The only argument seems to be "he might be hiding his true knowledge beneath this veneer of no evidence". Well, yes, he might. I think it's a poor approach myself, but I suppose you never know.

Well after seeing the video, I think Mr. Hellyer is a little too pro-alien. From all I've read the aliens tend to lie as much as they tell the truth. Yes we should protect our planet, our bodies are built for it, and probably no where else in our galaxy will we find a planet that fits our biology. On top of that there are other lifeforms that have a right to this planet too. Of course if we all would just do a little birth control...a lot of these planetary issues would disappear. We wouldn't have to keep hoping for new or alien tech to save our butts--the tech exists to fix this planet: it's our brains and making the effort to stop having so many kids.

As far as giving up the secret tech of how UFOs work...well there must be a good reason they've hidden it (if we have it). The US didn't tell everyone how to build nuclear reactors when they figured it out, because "energy" can always be turned into a weapon. Perhaps this UFO electro/gravity/time distortion affect is not something to release to the world at large. Share the knowledge? I don't know...we seemed to have a scary enough time with just the US and USSR "sharing" in the knowledge of how to build nukes (now we get India, Israel, Pakistan, and Iran to deal with). Weapons manipulating time/gravity may not be the next kind of arms race we can survive. Someone in the background may have decided "why even take the chance?".

The more I read into it, the more the "Faeries" of old seem to match an awful lot with what we are told now--Jacques Vallee may be on the right path. Throughout human history, some mystic and mythic force does seem to want to manipulate our consciousness.

I see I was beaten to the punch in the post directly before me. lol Still I we differ on some points.

Regarding which Countries the Former Minister of Defense implied also have alien tech.. I would guess:
Russia - for obvious reasons
Canada - They have impled knowledge without previously showing interest in UFO events worldwide.
France - though trade (maybe taking advantage of povety
Mexico - Even tho US claimed what they could so much activity happens there.
Africa Countries - probable lost thiers through naivety or corruption.
UK - they took alot of notice in the subject for many years
Iraq - though gone now

Also afew more maybes..

Anyone else got any ideas??

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Is this for real and not some spoof? Am I been thrown a bone here? i have heard that the Illuminati intend to stage an alien invasion at the london 2012 games

Can anybody confirm if that was the canadian defence secretary, and if so whats his name and where was this speech given?

reply to post by tigpoppa


Pardon ?? I am currently living in Canada and have been for 5 years now , that is an offensive remark , Living in one of the lower income provinces I can tell you there are few starving Canadians and some very well informed and highly intelligent ones also. Just because the politicians cant find their collective behinds with both hands , that doesnt make them all as you have described .

I am a Canadian citizen and there is no "Prime Minister of Defence". There are both a Minister of Defence as well as a Prime Minister, however they are not the same person. The Prime Minister is the elected head of the federal government, which of course Mr. Paul Hellyer never was. He was the Minister of Defence from 1963 to 1967*, during this time Lester B. Pearson was the Prime Minister of Canada. The Canadian Minister of Defence serves the same role as their American counterpart.

During this video absolutely no evidence is presented to support any of the claims made by Mr. Hellyer. With such lofty claims being made you would assume that if Mr. Hellyer wanted anyone to take them seriously he would support such claims with a hefty amount of evidence, this is not the case.

Why would a retired government official start making such claims without any tangible evidence? Sounds like Mr. Hellyer is going to be writing a book and wants to generate some buzz. Perhaps not Oprah's Book of the Month Club material, maybe the National Enquirer will recommend him to Jerry Springer.

This has nothing to do with "keeping an open mind", if you claim something to be true you should be able to support it with evidence.


* - Source - en.wikipedia.org...(Canada)

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Thanks for that link !!!

I have a question for everyone who saw that video: Can anyone identify the crest on Mr. Hellyer's jacket? It could be an important hint (if for no other reason than to identify the audience he is speaking to in the clip!). Most of our officials do not wear identifying symbols when speaking in public (unless they are members of a group/speaking to a club/lodge/fraternity; in which case, wearing a jacket/sweater with such a crest would be expected).

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Please stop ruining this for me.

I just got to ATS and you keep ruining the threads about anything that isn't on TV.

Please stop making fun of us and being so mean.

You made your point in your first five posts, the other 14 were totally unnecessary and were completely redundant.

I'm begging you. Stop ruining it for us - and me...

This is the only place I can participate in discussions about this subject and you are ruining it.

Not like you care - I probably just wasted my time typing this.

I hope your internet connection fails.

[edit on 21-12-2008 by Dreemer]

Do any of you realize that this man ha no firsthand info, that by his own Admission he only started believing after he read a UFO book? He has never claimed to have first hand info.

Originally posted by Dreemer
Please stop ruining this for me.

I'm begging you. Stop ruining it for us - and me...

In other words, you have no interest in the truth and the facts. Judging from your pleas, you are scared of anything that may challenge your beliefs.

As far as supposedly ruining the thread for anyone, the applause I've recieved from the moderators for my work in this thread, along with the 26 combined stars on my posts, speaks to a far different story.

Originally posted by Dreemer
Please stop making fun of us and being so mean.

I am making fun of no one. A difference of opinion is not "making fun" of anyone.

I admit I can be harsh at times; but if I sacrifice niceties in the pursuit of truth, then it is a flaw I am happy to have.

Originally posted by Dreemer
You made your point in your first five posts, the other 14 were totally unnecessary and were completely redundant.

Since it was obvious that certain members could not be bothered reading the entire thread or to embrace the facts, I reposted the facts again in hopes that they and others would see them.

There are others who have repeated themselves. I noticed you seem to have no problem with them. Could it be because they are saying things you want to hear?

Originally posted by Dreemer
This is the only place I can participate in discussions about this subject and you are ruining it.

You have no interest in any sort of discussion. Discussion would mean the entertainment of opinions different from your own, and the willingness to defend your position. However, you want neither. What you want is an echo-chamber, wherein you are exposed only to those opinions you agree with. If you were really interested in discussion, you would not say a genuine difference of opinion is ruining anything, nor would you hope those with a different opinion are unable to express it.

Since you cannot handle different opinions, or facts that may challenge your beliefs, I would suggest you take the coward's way out, and use the ignore feature.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Yet if you believe Hellyer's story, then you believe this is exactly what happened. Hellyer called up someone one day, and despite the 60 year cover-up, despite the pains taken to maintain it, despite Hellyer being a bureaucrat from another nation no longer holding a relevant position, this unnamed general admits to the cover-up.

Most of the people disclosing the cover-up are retired, old veterans with nothing to lose. They know their life is almost up and would rather not take such profound knowledge to their grave without at least sharing some of it to us laymen. What is wrong with that?