That Led Zepplin Devil Worship Discussion

Originally posted by Primordial
Crowley wasn't a devil worshipper.

He said that he wanted to be the devils 'chief of staff'. That may not be a worshipper, but that would fall into the category of someone who wants to further the devils 'cause'. (for lack of a better term).

reply to post by BlackOps719


I can not agree with that. Page although one of the greatest composers of our time was a terrible guitarist. He is sloppy, his phrasing is terrible and his licks are rather simplistic and once again in my opinion not very good at all. Next to Vinnie Vincent, he may very well be the worst technical guitarist I have ever heard. I never much cared for Zeppelin because of that fact. Even two finger Tony from Sabbath was in my opinion a better guitarist (although no where near the composer). When I was young and Zeppelin was popular I always wondered why someone who couldn't cleanly play the pentatonic scale (the most dominant scale in rock and roll by far) could be so popular. I saw Zeppelin twice and was not impressed either time. Plant also is a terrible vocalist live (thank God for studios).

As popular as Zeppelin was I am sure my post will not be popular, but that is how I personally feel and luckily for me opinions is one of the things they haven't outlawed yet in this country.

reply to post by MajesticJax


Call the devil, and he may just show up....

Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth


Whatever happened to Cug and that other user... Queeniesomething?

They are the Gurus on this subject if my memory serves.

Vas

You mean queenanne38? anne is a friend of mine. This is not about Satan worship (Santa worship is to teach our children to be into materialism) it is about the occult...the hidden arts.

Page was a traditional witch "an it harm none, do what thou wilt is the whole of the law" It is about feeling and seeing and changing your spiritual self to a higher self. It has nothing to do with Satan. It is about breaking from our mundane existence and rising above it to see the other side. To cast aside the veil and face the Crone...Shamans die while alive and come back to know there is another side to life.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Crowley went through many stages during his life and at points did perform rituals which involved spirits which could be considered demons or the devil but he also did rituals which involved calling on gods and angels to help and protect him. He didn't worship them, more like call on whichever one could best help in the particular situation.

Crowley is a little hard to get because he ran his mouth sometimes. He went through stages where he believed himself superior, then other times useless. Then there is that whole drug addict thing again.

If you actually read his teachings and rituals, he was more about trying to find the truth than worship. If he needed to call on the devil to get a piece of the puzzle, so be it.

reply to post by Primordial


I beleive I've also read that he was a big practical joker, and that some of the "devil" references were an attempt to spite those who thought he actually was the spawn of Satan.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Thank you I was trying to find those quotes.

ROBERT PLANT

His official website displays nothing of the occult.
www.robertplant.com...

Rolling Stone Magazine talks about Plant believing in Psychic Phenomenon.

An interview with Plant reveals a sense of humor – or a slip of the tongue – or just a metaphorical statement -

It could be argued that the road down which Plant has travelled began at the house of Sonny Johnson, who, Plant claims, “was the original blues singer to sell his soul to the devil - he did it five years before Robert Johnson had even thought about it and 30 years before us guys from middle England decided to sell our souls to the junkman. He wasn’t as immediately exotic as Robert Johnson, who took the slinky bits from Son House and turned them into something quite sensual, but he did have a rabbit’s foot around his neck and a great dark style.”

“Let’s set up a feast for the photograph,” he says as we sit down by the dining table. “We’ll put some cutlery out, light some candles, then get Jimmy Page over and do a black mass.”

Robert Plant wrote the lyrics - after Page wrote the music – for Stairway to Heaven. This is the song that many folks say has Satanic verses when played backwards. It looks like Plant had some automatic writing taking place when he wrote the lyrics. It doesn’t look like he was looking for the writing – but that it just happened. Considering how they all played with the occult, I’m not surprised that something showed up.

“Robert described the ‘automatic’ nature of the lyric “I was just sitting there with Pagey in front of a fire at Headley Grange. Pagey had written the chords and played them for me. I was holding a paper and pencil, and for some reason, I was in a very bad mood. Then all of a sudden my hand was writing out words. ‘There’s a lady who’s sure, all that glitters is gold, and she’s buying a stairway to heaven.’ I just sat there and looked at the words and then I almost leaped out of my seat.” (Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, p 164)

“He (Robert Plant) often remarked that he could feel his pen being pushed by some higher authority.” (Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, p 262)

It should be noted that in most of the Led Zepplin = Devil Worshippers urban legends, Robert Plant is supposedly the only one of the band that did not sell his soul to the devil. (and I’m not sure how someone would actually go about doing that - does the devil have a little red phone in the underworld that rings when ever someone calls his name or something?)

This site is Christian and puts forth their argument as to why Led Zepplin is indeed a devil worshipping group. I am not endorsing their argument, but am posting for general information as to why some feel that the group is demonic.

Originally posted by Primordial
If you actually read his teachings and rituals, he was more about trying to find the truth than worship. If he needed to call on the devil to get a piece of the puzzle, so be it.

That's kind of what I'm getting from reading up on him a bit.
But when it comes to the devil - who is the father of lies -
I don't think truth can be found there.

Unless you believe that there were lies told about the devil.

Oh man .. this could get interesting!

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


They were very sloppy live, that is true. Plus in the "later years" they were not really all together... a lot of substanc.e

But give them credit where it's due, they were very innovative in the studio. Half of their problem playing livke was having to condense a song of many tracks into 4 parts.

They were still talented, and at least quite dynamic to see on stage. Plus a lot of backstage antics. (Can we say, mudshark incident? :@@

Occultism doesn't = Satanism.

I'll tell you what I once said to my mother when she asked me if I were a 'devil worshipper' upon seeing some of the titles in my library.

"I'd have to believe in God to be a Devil worshipper".

Meaning, this whole labeling of 'Satanism' is merely an aspect of seeing through Christianity's lens.

Crowley was not a satanist or 'devil worshipper'. He did however enjoy using the symbolism when it suited him; allowing people to view him through this 'lens', he could envoke respect or fear, mystery or even simply show his denial of the 'establishment' and 'rules'. It is a cloak of rebellion.

But as for any religious belief, or following - no. When you wish to speak to someone, you use their native language (and therefore symbols).



[edit on 17-12-2008 by Jadette]

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Mr. Crowley Lyrics
Artist(Band):Ozzy Osbourne Review The Song (41) Print the Lyrics



Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah! "

Just another artist reference to Mr. Crowley. I am sure someone else wrote that, as Ozzy could in no way use words like that in a sentance.

I have always been a big zep fan and chose not to look too deep into the stories about backward masking. I was also taught that if you invite the devil into your home, he might just show up.

Originally posted by Jadette
Occultism doesn't = Satanism.

True. And that's part of the discussion. The urban legend - or not urban legend - is that Led Zepplin was into devil worship and that it was pushed through their music.

The fact that they were into the occult is well established.

Now we are trying to figure out - debunk or verify - the urban legend about the devil worship. To do that we have to see how devoted they were to Crowley and what exactly Crowley believed. And we have to see if there are channels other then Crowley that they followed.

We have come up with quotes from Crowley stating that he wanted to be the devils 'Chief of Staff'. That's not worship but that's definately working for, and doing the bididng of, the devil.

We have come up with Page being a devotee of Crowley but also Page saying that he was into Magick and not devil worship. So I don't know if Page fully understood Crowleys 'religion' or motivation.

I'm sure that part of this was a marketing ploy by the band to sell more albums to the rebellious youth of the 1970s. But it went further then just that for Page. Definately much further.

Originally posted by network dude
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call

Ozzy said that? Wow. He basically sang that Magick was a cover for doing Satans bidding. Ozzys opinion on this means something to me - he's in this stuff up to his eyeballs. Good post network dude.

Originally posted by SkyfloatingThe real evil-doers are found much deeper underground...in child prostitution, organized crime, etc....not in a rebellious rock band, imo.

True evil does not advertise.

True evil carries a Bible and wears a badge.

NEED HELP TRACKING DOWN A CATHOLIC PROPAGANDA VIDEO

Roughly 15 years ago (the video looked dated back then) a friend of mine showed me a VHS cassette put out by the Catholic church. The video attempted to link Rock music with subliminal messages, Satan, etc.

The part that sticks out in my mind is when they played Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" in reverse and claimed it was saying "start to smoke marijuana". A few friends and I being skeptics reversed the song using a PC and sure enough it sounded like it was saying "start to smoke marijuana"!

The video also showed Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven, mainly picking apart the lyrics and linking them with Satan.

Does anyone recall watching this? I would love to watch this video again or somehow retain a copy. I do not know the name or title of the video and I have lost contact with my friend.

Any information would be great! Thanks in advance!


[edit on 17-12-2008 by lucentenigma]

Is this an Urban Legend?

Let's look at the facts:

1. Imagine how impossible it would be to write coherent lyrics that were not complete gibberish so that they would say something else in reverse. Try it some time, and good luck.

2. Aleister Crowley was a complete nut job with no credibility what so ever.

3. The devil is made up - not true - not real

4. In episode 3 season 3 of South Park it is obvious that the only way to banish a demon is to play it's favorite song backwards. So this means that every time someone plays Stairway to Heaven (about 4 million times a minute since every new guitarists learns it in the first month) the demon is banished. So it kind of nullifies the whole thing. So why would you bother going to all the trouble of coming up with lyrics that say something else in reverse.

5. The band deliberately created this "on the edge" image because it was good for record sales.

6. The band started (or at least encouraged) the reverse speech rumor because it was good for record sales.

So is it an Urban Legend? With the above facts in place, add a pinch of Occam's razor, and hey presto!

IT IS AN URBAN LEGEND!!

ps. I deliberately used South Park as a reference because I think it is just as valid as the Bible when it comes to justifying things like the devil and demons.

I guess they must've all been satanists, with the crosses they wore all the time. Oh, and don't forget the pagan symbols. Remember true history and not the history of Christianity. The symbols used by Led Zeppelin were from older earth and nature based mystic schools; just as the phrase "So mote it be." Just because somebody is interested in another, does not mean they follow the same spiritual path.

Originally posted by lucentenigma
a VHS cassette put out by the Catholic church.

The Catholic Church doesn't put videos out like that.
It might have been a group that called itself Catholic
but it wouldn't have been the church itself.

Try to google reverse songs .. there are lots of them.

It may come up.

Originally posted by Symbiote

Originally posted by SkyfloatingThe real evil-doers are found much deeper underground...in child prostitution, organized crime, etc....not in a rebellious rock band, imo.

True evil does not advertise.

True evil carries a Bible and wears a badge.

I agree. I'm not too concerned about someone who tells me that they're a devil-worshiper. These people are usually just insecure attention-seekers. Like the guy who tells you "I'm a shaman."
Most likely, he's not.

C.S. Lewis' writings about satan, the great deceiver are very heavy.
As Lewis tells it, the great deceiver is good at what he does! He uses your emotions to trick you. You don't see the subtle turns and twists he puts in the path...till it's too late. The sin is comitted, the damage is done, the divorce is pending, the money is gone, etc...

Apologies for straying a bit from topic.