Teacher tells 7 year-olds Santa's Fake.

I honestly never thought someone would be so bitter about Santa. For someone to state that I am a bad parent for letting them believe blows my mind. I have been called a bad parent for not taking my kids to church or and for circumcising my son...but I never thought Santa was so evil and insidious.

Thanks for ruining some of that Christmas magic for me too. Now I have to go wake up my kids and tell them Santa is a lie.

Merry Christmas

Originally posted by jackinthebox115
I honestly never thought someone would be so bitter about Santa. For someone to state that I am a bad parent for letting them believe blows my mind. I have been called a bad parent for not taking my kids to church or and for circumcising my son...but I never thought Santa was so evil and insidious.

Thanks for ruining some of that Christmas magic for me too. Now I have to go wake up my kids and tell them Santa is a lie.

Merry Christmas

ignore the scoodges hopefully the spirits of the past, present and future visit them on christmas eve oh i forgot thats a novel damn my parents for letting me have an imagination they really screwed me up, i cant tell reality from the fiction, now wheres my unicorn gone

[edit on 12/12/2008 by kerrichin]

[edit on 12/12/2008 by kerrichin]

I used to tutor a profoundly deaf and mentally impaired young man. He was very sweet and entirely innocent and naive.

He once asked me what Santa was brining me for Christmas. He was 15 years old. It wasn’t for me to inform him of the truth. Indeed, I was happy for him that the thought of Santa visiting him made him happy and excited.

As an aside, a number of guys from his school (he was in a normal secondary school) tormented and bullied him. Their pathetic and reprehensible behaviour was sickening.

Originally posted by The Quiet Earth
I used to tutor a profoundly deaf and mentally impaired young man. He was very sweet and entirely innocent and naive.

He once asked me what Santa was brining me for Christmas. He was 15 years old. It wasn’t for me to inform him of the truth. Indeed, I was happy for him that the thought of Santa visiting him made him happy and excited.

As an aside, a number of guys from his school (he was in a normal secondary school) tormented and bullied him. Their pathetic and reprehensible behaviour was sickening.

So who are really the bad people? His family for making him happy and giving him some joy? Or the jerks at school who tormented and told him the truth?

Originally posted by The Quiet Earth
I used to tutor a profoundly deaf and mentally impaired young man. He was very sweet and entirely innocent and naive.

He once asked me what Santa was brining me for Christmas. He was 15 years old. It wasn’t for me to inform him of the truth. Indeed, I was happy for him that the thought of Santa visiting him made him happy and excited.

As an aside, a number of guys from his school (he was in a normal secondary school) tormented and bullied him. Their pathetic and reprehensible behaviour was sickening.

This isn't really on topic, but how can someone be 'profoundly' deaf? Isn't it just a matter of deaf, hard of hearing, or of standard hearing ability?

Back on topic, it may not have been the teacher's place to tell the children that Santa is a fabrication to push fourth quarter sales, but don't villify him for telling the truth. Might as well get mad at Ron Paul for telling us we're all f#####. That Scrooge is ruining my holiday cheer!

Originally posted by jackinthebox115

Originally posted by The Quiet Earth
I used to tutor a profoundly deaf and mentally impaired young man. He was very sweet and entirely innocent and naive.

He once asked me what Santa was brining me for Christmas. He was 15 years old. It wasn’t for me to inform him of the truth. Indeed, I was happy for him that the thought of Santa visiting him made him happy and excited.

As an aside, a number of guys from his school (he was in a normal secondary school) tormented and bullied him. Their pathetic and reprehensible behaviour was sickening.

So who are really the bad people? His family for making him happy and giving him some joy? Or the jerks at school who tormented and told him the truth?

lol, you completly missed his point... seriously, read his post again - no diagonals.

Originally posted by kerrichin

Originally posted by jackinthebox115
I honestly never thought someone would be so bitter about Santa. For someone to state that I am a bad parent for letting them believe blows my mind. I have been called a bad parent for not taking my kids to church or and for circumcising my son...but I never thought Santa was so evil and insidious.

Thanks for ruining some of that Christmas magic for me too. Now I have to go wake up my kids and tell them Santa is a lie.

Merry Christmas

ignore the scoodges hopefully the spirits of the past, present and future visit them on christmas eve oh i forgot thats a novel damn my parents for letting me have an imagination they really screwed me up, i cant tell reality from the fiction, now wheres my unicorn gone

[edit on 12/12/2008 by kerrichin]

[edit on 12/12/2008 by kerrichin]

I believe you were refering to the Christmas Carol. Happy holidays!

This is not a one liner. A one liner our be: "she said I had two differant color socks on and they were differant but I told her they were the same because I go by thickness..."

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A great point! Very well worded and thought out!

No kid, but NO KID is EVER shocked, or traumatised in later life when they recall learning of Santa not being real.

This is a 'lie' and I get MemoryShock's point, but surely THIS is a 'lie' we have to upkeep, and yes - surely for entertainment purposes and for the sense of "magic of christmas"

Consider that 'growing out' of the idea of Santa is much less traumatic than suddenly finding out at a very young age. Ergo - this man was more reckless than he thought.

This happened just up the road from me, and there are many young kids everywhere who will have a truly #e christmas this year - so if you can spin an age old yarn to make something extra out of it for their sake, then do so.

The guy who did this by the way was (surprise surprise) an agecny-worker who probably reads the Guardian and propells his personal views into our national curriculum - like a clueless tosser!!

People tend to get so heated up over Santa, which is the biggest fraud going. My mother received extremely angry phone calls from the neighbors when my brother and I were preschools and we sat down with all the kids from the neighborhood and told them Santa was a lie, told by your parents, and they bought all your presents, and that we had carefully unwrapped and played with them up in the cupboard, which was a personal ladder for us to climb. We used a flashlight. We saw all our toys, and then carefully rewrapped them. My mother couldn't believe how angry the other parents were.

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Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
lol, you completly missed his point... seriously, read his post again - no diagonals.

I actually didn't I was just trying to raise the questions for those that think Santa is the ultimate lie.



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Originally posted by bingmat
The guy who did this by the way was (surprise surprise) an agecny-worker who probably reads the Guardian and propells his personal views into our national curriculum - like a clueless tosser!!

Wow! A bit harsh don't you think... That'd be like stereotyping you because you come here to ATS. So you would be a consipracy spewer. And your area of influance would be...? Where do you work? Are you around any children? Do you have kids? You could be planting your seeds of conspiracy in the next generatin.

I could go as far as you to say (like you did) that you would plan your lies in those around you, prooving your own opnipotance and continuing conspiracies that are false in the first place...

Teachers should just stick to teaching the school curriculum and keep their noses out of parents business.

Telling a kid about Santa not being real is an issue for parents to tell to their kid
when they are ready.
Wonder what other things this teacher "blurts" out when under pressure?
Makes you wonder.

Originally posted by justamomma
I also would never tell my kids they won't get a present/gift if they are not good. That teaches resentment and anger. A gift or a present should be given from the heart.

Disciplining a child SHOULD have certain chores and or deeds that have a reward system, but those rewards should be laid out to your child clearly that it is a reward. It is never a good idea to bribe or tempt your children with matters of the heart. Always lay out the reward system AHEAD of the good verses negative behaviour and be consistent.

The acceptance of the lying and the conditional gifts could play a large role in why so many adults today feel lost and don't believe in a benevolent G-d. Why should they when the examples of G-d's character have failed to SHOW G-d's character to their offspring?

I'm very grateful for this, thank you. You really understand the spirit of Christmas and will take your words to heart.

Originally posted by Flighty
Teachers should just stick to teaching the school curriculum and keep their noses out of parents business.

Telling a kid about Santa not being real is an issue for parents to tell to their kid
when they are ready.
Wonder what other things this teacher "blurts" out when under pressure?
Makes you wonder.

Alright... So if a fight breaks out in the classroom should the teacher just continue teaching and not try and stop it. you're trying to make a black and white issue out of school wich is anything but.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

It's still something that should be left to parents.

What if the teacher said there was no God? There is such thing as cultural sensibilities regardless of what one might see as truth.

With all respect, we all "adults" know that modern day Santa is a fairytale, but many of those "adults" are still unsure about the existence of God. So it is not exactly paraller to compare God and Santa Claus.

I think that these parents got their their egoes stumped upon, their "white lies" exposed, and their control over their kids declined, so they got angry. Funny, yet bit sad.

-v

Originally posted by farflungheroe
About Debating online;

Even when you win you are still a loser.

You seem determined to win; not even common sense or reason can stop you.

That's not cool. You had some interesting things to say...up until this point.

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
Why does this topic have 250+ posts already? I mean REALLY?! Is this subject of this much importance to users of ATS?

I need to lie down for a bit...

Maybe it's because we're supposed to deny ignorance? It is the mantra set forth by the great creators of ATS. We have a group that adheres to it and another who insists in perpetuating a lie. This is both the time and place for this discussion. And, regarding the number of posts, you've added to it too

Wow 15 pages of discussion about Santa Claus and the truth, you have to see the irony.

I believe that the teacher was right in telling the children but also wrong to destroy their childhood. With so many children growing up to quickly and losing their inner child nowadays, I just feel so sorry for the children.

I will try and keep the truth from my child for as long as possible.

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I just came upon this thread, and you are wise indeed. Love what you said, just maybe I can add something to your post. When I was 5 yrs. old, I wanted a star for Christmas.!!! The thing is, I never told my Mom that. At 5, I didn't really know what a star was. They were pretty shining balls in the sky....On Christmas morning, there was two red trycyles around the tree for me and my little sister and the usual stuff kids don't care about, socks, underwear, etc. My sister and I kept rummaging around the tree for more stuff, I found a small pretty shiny rock. I yelled, "Santa brought me a star for Christmas, Look a star!!" Today, I know my rock is not a star, but quartz and flint stone. My Mom says to this day, she doesn't know where the rock came from. That rock spurred my interest in Astronomy, something I'm still passionate about. Today, I still say Santa brought me a star when I was 5 yrs. old!!!!!! Merry Christmas!!