Teacher tells 7 year-olds Santa's Fake.

reply to post by saint4God


Most likely Santa is just a catalyst for a life time of less then steller parents.

Is it really just the disappointment of santa or did the parents say they would provide college and didn't. Or they would get a car and didn't?

Is the problem really Santa or have these people an inability to trust? And blame Santa for their own problems?

I find it hard to believe that you make it through adulthood and feel you can't trust your parents because they perpetuated an extremely common myth about Santa.

Because just about everyone believes in Santa (with religious exceptions of course) and they aren't going around crying that they don't trust their parents because their parents "lied" about Santa.

Next time they get a girlfriend or boyfriend, do they tell them they have an awful relationship because their parents lied about Santa? Good luck getting another date.


The hardest thing for people to accept is that their parents are not perfect. And maybe this symbolizes this.

Just as it is hard for parents to accept they are not perfect as parents.

But to hold it against parents for doing something that all parents do, and probably doing with their best interest in mind, is just an excuse to be angry in my book.

And probably made up for the sake of arguement.


And I wonder what these parents have also done for their children? Got them their prom dress? helped them with college? Helped them study for weeks for the SATs?
listened for hours over that first high school heartbreak? Or picked them up without complaint at 2 in the morning when they were too drunk to drive home.

If your parents never did those things, then the problem was never Santa.

If your parents did these things and were good to you, then the problem is you.

Originally posted by KaiBosh
It has always creeped me out when I see parents talking to their kids about Santa Claus. I can't think of anything more insulting to do to a child than feed them some fantasy bullcrap story like that. I feel nauseous just thinking about it, actually.

This teacher didn't do anything wrong, and I feel sad for a World where this can happen.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by KaiBosh]

The thing that kinda get's me is why? I mean, just because our parents did to us does not mean we HAVE to continue the legacy. If my parents were racist (wich they weren't) that would not make it right for me to be.

So why the prepetuation of these? Cna you have a holiday spirit withot Santa... As a matter of fact, I think less kids would be confused doe to "the season's abot this..." "No, it's about that..." Yadda yadda.

Why all this for a mythical creature who only covers the churches foundation for a holiday that is suppose to be the birth of Christ, but isn't anyhow.

Originally posted by KaiBosh
It has always creeped me out when I see parents talking to their kids about Santa Claus. I can't think of anything more insulting to do to a child than feed them some fantasy bullcrap story like that. I feel nauseous just thinking about it, actually.

This teacher didn't do anything wrong, and I feel sad for a World where this can happen.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by KaiBosh]

The thing that kinda get's me is why? I mean, just because our parents did to us does not mean we HAVE to continue the legacy. If my parents were racist (wich they weren't) that would not make it right for me to be.

So why the prepetuation of these? Can you have a holiday spirit without Santa... As a matter of fact, I think less kids would be confused due to "the season's abot this..." "No, it's about that..." Yadda yadda.

Why all this for a mythical creature who only covers the churches foundation for a holiday that is suppose to be the birth of Christ, but isn't anyhow.

Typical liberal teacher. God forbid anybody believes in anything and talks about it!!!! No surprise to me at all that this has happened. By the way, this happens all the time!

Wow. This thread has some amazing debates going on. I just wanted to throw something in the mix.

When I found out there was no Santa, I don't know about everyone else, but Christmas just wasn't as fun anymore. The magic was gone. That is when it JUST became about the presents. My parents worked so hard at perpetuating this myth that when the truth was revealed it just ruined everything. In a way, I think that the Santa myth is a way for parents to get back a little of their own lost magic at Christmas time. And I can definitely understand the desire for that. It makes Christmas FUN!

I would like to hear why the Pro-Santa people feel that there is a need for children to believe in Santa. Why introduce a false idol to give something "magic" when the holiday is already packed with "real" magic (like generosity, the idea of "family", expressing love and if your religious, Jesus)? And what about the look on your children's face when they find out "the truth"? They will be sad because of something you brought to life for them.

If I could change something about my childhood, I would want my parents to drop the Santa myth and instead instill traditions that would make Christmas meaningful and special and magical throughout my entire life- not just a few fleeting years.

I will be starting a family soon and I honestly would like to hear responses to this.

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion. It's been a great read!

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Most likely Santa is just a catalyst for a life time of less then steller parents.

Excuse you? I have always loved my parents dearly and have invited them to live with me a few years after I got my house. I had 'less trust' because of it and had wronged them a few times in my own lying, but apart from the santa-myth I have no charge I could levy against them.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Is it really just the disappointment of santa or did the parents say they would provide college and didn't. Or they would get a car and didn't?

Parents should not fail on their promises either. My parents said they could not provide college or a car and they did not. In that truth I worked to make both happen.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Is the problem really Santa or have these people an inability to trust?

The problem is people lying. Saint Nicholas is dead and therefore has no problems nor do I have problems with the good works and messages he brought.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
And blame Santa for their own problems?

Now you joking. Right? This has got to be a joke.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
I find it hard to believe that you make it through adulthood and feel you can't trust your parents because they perpetuated an extremely common myth about Santa.

I'm sure you do find it hard to believe, else there would be no argument.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Because just about everyone believes in Santa (with religious exceptions of course) and they aren't going around crying that they don't trust their parents because their parents "lied" about Santa.

As I said, if you pay attention to the posts on this and other threads, it is readily apparent.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Next time they get a girlfriend or boyfriend, do they tell them they have an awful relationship because their parents lied about Santa? Good luck getting another date.

You'd be surprised how often couples lie to each other when it becomes a practice.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
And I wonder what these parents have also done for their children? Got them their prom dress? helped them with college? Helped them study for weeks for the SATs?
listened for hours over that first high school heartbreak? Or picked them up without complaint at 2 in the morning when they were too drunk to drive home.

If your parents never did those things, then the problem was never Santa.

If your parents did these things and were good to you, then the problem is you.

(Bearing in mind there is no 'santa' in my household) I am deeply dedicated with helping in school work...especially math. The school system apparently wasn't providing a good route to teaching this subject so I have been dedicating hours a week to ensuring my child is up to speed. I hear my child's heartaches, I do help, and above all, I deliver to my child solutions with the truth.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by Victoria 1
Typical liberal teacher. God forbid anybody believes in anything and talks about it!!!! No surprise to me at all that this has happened. By the way, this happens all the time!

You are sooooo right, Victoria. Those pesky liberals are always sniffing out children who still believe in Santa JUST so they can tell him he doesn't exist! They're all a bunch of dream killers!

Your post was a good example of a "deny ignorance" FAIL. That is, unless you can come up with some quantitative data for that assertion. I would welcome it

Thanks for your contribution to this thread!

Originally posted by KaiBosh
It has always creeped me out when I see parents talking to their kids about Santa Claus. I can't think of anything more insulting to do to a child than feed them some fantasy bullcrap story like that. I feel nauseous just thinking about it, actually.

This teacher didn't do anything wrong, and I feel sad for a World where this can happen.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by KaiBosh]

As a young boy I decided to check out this santa claus crap....I discovered my uncle joe was santa....I caught him suiting up at about one in the morning just before we all were awaken to get our gifts from under the tree...which incidently belongs out side....as punishment I got coal (literally)for christmas(we had a coal stoker furnace in the basement)...
This really pissed me off..so when I returned to school (catholic School)at the time I was in the first grade....I told every one of my class mates of my experience and santa was alot of crap.....Sister Anastasia smacked the # out of me and called my parents.....You don't think this experience could have an adverse affect on me do you.....

Originally posted by v01i0

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

It's still something that should be left to parents.

What if the teacher said there was no God? There is such thing as cultural sensibilities regardless of what one might see as truth.

With all respect, we all "adults" know that modern day Santa is a fairytale, but many of those "adults" are still unsure about the existence of God. So it is not exactly paraller to compare God and Santa Claus.

I think that these parents got their their egoes stumped upon, their "white lies" exposed, and their control over their kids declined, so they got angry. Funny, yet bit sad.

-v

Well just because YOU believe that God MIGHT exist, doesn't mean I do. I am as sure about Santa as I am about God.

I still believe though, that we should respect the beliefs of others now matter how absurd it is to us.

For example... do you think Cows are reincarnations of holy people? Seems odd doesn't it. But that's a common Hindu belief... should be tell them all that reincarnation doesn't happen because YOU don't think so?

The same goes for Santa.

Originally posted by theodorej
As a young boy I decided to check out this santa claus crap....I discovered my uncle joe was santa....I caught him suiting up at about one in the morning just before we all were awaken to get our gifts from under the tree...which incidently belongs out side....as punishment I got coal (literally)for christmas(we had a coal stoker furnace in the basement)...
This really pissed me off..so when I returned to school (catholic School)at the time I was in the first grade....I told every one of my class mates of my experience and santa was alot of crap.....Sister Anastasia smacked the # out of me and called my parents.....You don't think this experience could have an adverse affect on me do you.....

Wow, that's crazy. I hadn't heard it break out into physical violence, but I was on the opposite end of the spectrum. My friends saw me as gullible for still trusting my parents. I followed those friends into situations I should not have gone because between my friends and parents, my friends seem to 'hold the truth'. Big mistake there.

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There is nothing more harmful to a child then pretending their an adult when they are not.

Reason children are getting messed up is because people believe they should be little adults, instead of being children.

They have different emotional, physical, even nutritional needs.

"Mommy there are monsters in my room!" Not there are not, stop being silly.

"Daddy, I am crying because our fish died." Don't be silly, it is just a fish. We will get you another one. Stop crying. Boys don't cry.

"I want to be a princess when I grow up!" Don't be stupid, you can't be a princess. There are no such thing as princesses.

Here, you need to learn to do taxes.

there you go, that is a world I would want to grow up in.



In fact the biggest complaint about colleges these days is that the kids cannot think outside the box. They have no imagination and can't come up with distinct thoughts. Without creative thinking, no one can come up with solutions.

How a person thinks is developed and instilled by the age of five. Then the brain is set. Which is why it is so hard for adults to learn another language, because the processes used to develope speech are set and if they don't learn those other sounds and words, it is really hard for the brain to develope. So by not influencing creativity now, they won't have it later.
The best toys are still legos and blocks, because a child uses their imagination and spacial thinking to build what they want.

Lying about Santa makes you nauseous? I can't imagine what the real problems in the world would do to you. Hey beat your kid, but don't lie about Santa.

The real lies that hurt are the promises made by parents but not following through.

Promising to take the children to the park and not. Promising to play catch after school but being too busy. Promising that they would never hurt them but spank them when they get mad.

Those are the lies that hurt and last a lifetime.

Santa is probably the one promise parents keep, are conistent with and on time for.

It is probably the most kept promise that is delivered.

I do not know of anyone who was promised but not delivered a christmas.

Kids can depend on it.

reply to post by nixie_nox


Nixie... Amazing Post there of yours.

Thank you for a very well thought out post which proiperly describes the magic of childhood.

I'm there with you on the Rudolph tip though.

Originally posted by Victoria 1
Typical liberal teacher. God forbid anybody believes in anything and talks about it!!!! No surprise to me at all that this has happened. By the way, this happens all the time!

If she were Liberal then she would be inclusive.

This teacher was not liberal. Liberal means we allow many things that others view as odd. I'm a liberal and would never have done this.

Interesting to see the attitude of, 'if there's no santa, you don't love and take care of your kids'. Fallacies and sweeping generalizations, nothing could be further from the truth. BECAUSE I love my child, my child will know truth.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by v01i0

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

It's still something that should be left to parents.

What if the teacher said there was no God? There is such thing as cultural sensibilities regardless of what one might see as truth.

With all respect, we all "adults" know that modern day Santa is a fairytale, but many of those "adults" are still unsure about the existence of God. So it is not exactly paraller to compare God and Santa Claus.

I think that these parents got their their egoes stumped upon, their "white lies" exposed, and their control over their kids declined, so they got angry. Funny, yet bit sad.

-v

Well just because YOU believe that God MIGHT exist, doesn't mean I do. I am as sure about Santa as I am about God.

I still believe though, that we should respect the beliefs of others now matter how absurd it is to us.

For example... do you think Cows are reincarnations of holy people? Seems odd doesn't it. But that's a common Hindu belief... should be tell them all that reincarnation doesn't happen because YOU don't think so?

The same goes for Santa.

Interesting signature......I wish I was as sure as you are....the bottom line is this ..Ihave no control over how anybody thinks nor do want to have any control.....It is when you decide to propergate your thinking that all who are listening to you have a right to decent....If we don't agree, than reasonable discourse will bring about an understanding if not an agreement on key points...

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Just as an added comment with respect to your belief in God or lack of same.....It is a wise man that understands when it comes to God and his plan or perogatives what we think or believe DOES NOT MATTER....

This is easy to respond too...

WHO THINKS SANTA IS REAL?

WHO THINKS LYING TO CHILDREN IS A GOOD IDEA?

Oh but we make special arrangements for Santa, Easter Bunnies and the tooth fairy. These lies are ok right? It is NEVER OK to lie to your children, what is wrong with the truth?

The same goes for all those so called Christian families lying to their kids about the Birth of Christ. t wasn't on December 25th and there was NO WISE MEN at the manger. I am told it's just for the kids, it's a nice story, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TRUTH?

Latter on in life when the children go to learn that these things are not real how easy is it for them to disregard GOD? He fits the same pattern does he not?

All knowing, Al powerful, but you never see him, why would children who have been lied to about the fictional people believe that God existed after being lied to all their little lives?

Tell your children the TRUTH, they will respect you much more in the end...

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Just as an added comment with respect to your belief in God or lack of same.....It is a wise man that understands when it comes to God and his plan or perogatives what we think or believe DOES NOT MATTER....

I couldn't agree with you more.


However, I do believe that in the spehere of social etiquette we should respect the mythical beliefs of our fellow citizens. As the one thing we can say about them all is that they are the context we place around the events which happen in our lives.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
The same goes for all those so called Christian families lying to their kids about the Birth of Christ. t wasn't on December 25th

It likely wasn't, no one knows the date. I've told my child this. This is the day we celebrate his birth, because it is worthy of celebration.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
and there was NO WISE MEN at the manger. I am told it's just for the kids, it's a nice story, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TRUTH?

"After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:
" 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.'"

Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."

After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route." - Matthew 2:1-12

I've read this to my child on Christ-mas morning.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
All knowing, Al powerful, but you never see him, why would children who have been lied to about the fictional people believe that God existed after being lied to all their little lives?

Tell your children the TRUTH, they will respect you much more in the end...

We agree here.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by saint4God]

I don't know, I'm torn on this one.

I was raised never believing in Santa, for religious reasons.

Now, I think I turned out perfectly fine, considering. Not believing in Santa did not hurt me, and in fact, I always appreciated the fact that my parents didn't lie to me.

My husband and I have 2 kids, and unlike me, my husband did grow up believing in Santa. We haven't really discussed it, but he does tell my daughter about Santa, and has her getting into the whole thing (my son is still too little to understand).

Honestly, it bothers me a bit. We have always celebrated Christmas together, but the blatant lying kind of pricks my conscience just a bit.

So, I can't say I disagree with the teacher for telling the truth, but I don't think it was her business to disclose this fact. That is the parents job, imo.

Now, if a child had come to her and asked if Santa was real, then definitely, as a teacher especially, it would be her duty to tell the truth.

[edit on 12/12/2008 by chickenshoes]