Impending earthquake/volcanic activity - California area

reply to post by Dutty_Rag


Is there any source that you can find to back up the "public knowledge"?

been looking and I can't find any article on melting at mt baker.

reply to post by pynner

Cos there is not my friend, and to the OP, and for your information and piece of mind

Well this is in the public domain, I posted on this thread Here, all the current seismic activity at Mt Baker to include any Deep activity lol.

I am sorry OP and I appreciate you posting etc, but this is the way of ATS!

And since you first posted this thread, I just had a feeling your dad is just doing routine work, and you have piggybacked on top of the recent threads indicating or prophecising an event, and maybe as is normal for many Idiolise your father a bit, and think he may be able to Save the World, or be special....

I could be wrong, but you keep posting information that I cant find any correlation to, and I do follow these and have for years.

THERE IS NO DEEP SEISMIC activity as different to say in 2002 6 yrs ago, at Mt Baker, as shown in the table in the link above, and the graph below:



Immediately below is the Cascades weekly update:

DEc 12th Weekly Update
Cascade Range Volcanoes Volcano Alert Level: NORMAL
Aviation Color Code: GREEN
Activity Update: All volcanoes in the Cascade Range are at normal levels of background seismicity. These include Mount Baker, Glacier Peak, Mount Rainier, Mount St. Helens, and Mount Adams in Washington State; Mount Hood, Mount Jefferson, Three Sisters, Newberry Volcano, and Crater Lake, in Oregon; and Medicine Lake volcano, Mount Shasta, and Lassen Peak in northern California.
Mount St. Helens has been at Volcano Alert Level NORMAL (Aviation Color Code GREEN) since July 10, 2008, a change assigned 5-6 months after the late January cessation of its 2004-2008 eruption.

Recent Observations: All Cascade volcanoes remain seismically very quiet. Mount St. Helens continues to receive close attention despite its NORMAL alert status. A major winter storm is expected this weekend in the Northwest, and high winds could produce some seismic noise. The U.S. Geological Survey and University of Washington continue to monitor these volcanoes closely and will issue additional updates and changes in alert level as warranted.

USGS & University of Washington

So we know that statement of yours is false.

If we look here we can see the water tables, sulphur levels, flow rates of all Water courses and wells in the Washington state area:
Real Time Hydrology Menu for Washington State


Again normal.

If we look Volcano World Part Sponsored by Oregon State Universityat the running update on ALL ACTIVITIES AT ALL VOLCANOES WORLDWIDE, TO INCLUDE MELTING SNOW CAPS AND GLACIERS, again many references to worldwide events , nothing at all for the Cascades or Mt Baker

And Further historically the area is now very closely monitored after a scare in the 70's

Historical activity at Mount Baker includes several explosions during the mid-19th century, which were witnessed from the Bellingham area, and since the late 1950s, numerous small-volume debris avalanches. In 1975, increased fumarolic activity in the Sherman Crater area caused concern that an eruption might be imminent. Additional monitoring equipment was installed and several geophysical surveys were conducted to try to detect the movement of magma. The level of Baker Lake was lowered and people were restricted from the area due to concerns that an eruption-induced debris avalanche or debris flow might enter Baker Lake and displace enough water to either cause a wave to overtop the Upper Baker Dam or cause complete failure of the dam.

However, few anomalies other than the increased heat flow were recorded during the geophysical surveys nor were any other precursory activities observed to indicate that magma was moving up into the volcano. An increased level of fumarolic activity has continued at Mount Baker from 1975 to the present, but there are no other changes that suggest that magma movement is involved.

USGS EveryThing you Would Or Could know about Mt Baker

Really it all seems normalish to me.

The Graph above does show a Busy 12 months there but nothing too deep or out of the ordinary, and to be honest as glaciers around the world are melting, from the lowest and coldest to the Highest Glaciers in the world, Greenland, Tibetan Himalayas, the Antartic, well if it is starting to melt it may have nothing to do with the activity of the volcano per se!

As I can see no data or indications anywhere to support your claim.

I don't see why they would keep this quiet, and not activity as is being measured, and reported as shown in my links from all over the world.

I hope I am right anyhow because a very quick melt in Mt baker would be a terrible disaster, which I why I urge everyone to look at the facts themselves, and not panic, but to be prepared as well.

Kind Regards,

Elf


[edit on 13-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

You raise really good points many of which I agree with and take on board Elf - but I assure you this is what my dad has told me via the phone.

I think your right and we should stick to the evidence.

I don't doubt at all what my father is saying. All the things mentioned are possible without any EQ activity - if it is just heating as he suggested - and he also said not to expect EQ activity. Other posts have suggested some EQ activity - but they aren't mine so IDK.

I think we just watch and see what happens - I'm not expecting anything big - or perhaps even anything at all.

I'll tell you one thing though - if you get a chopper and fly over that Mt, there WILL be a bald spot on once side if my father says there is - he has no reason to lie, he is an expert in this field and his credentials are impeccable!

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag
[snip]

I'll tell you one thing though - if you get a chopper and fly over that Mt, there WILL be a bald spot on once side if my father says there is - he has no reason to lie, he is an expert in this field and his credentials are impeccable!

And that is where the public knowledge is easily available.

Can you see the mountain Elf?

Thank you Dutty_Rag for a very intriguing thread. I am learning a lot from it! (and the earthquake threads of others)

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag
I'll tell you one thing though - if you get a chopper and fly over that Mt, there WILL be a bald spot on once side if my father says there is - he has no reason to lie, he is an expert in this field and his credentials are impeccable!

I don't doubt your Dad's credentials at all.

And I may seem harsh its just as ATS is, especially with a lot of fear Mongering that has gone on recently.

And really please post more info you hear from your dad or anyone else or any topic at all that is of interest, I wouldn't have gone to the time to respond so much if I did not find it interesting, and if you could get this information out there for us to know it is brilliant so thanks, but ANY posts on ATS have to be prepared for the critical analysis.

You should see how some of mine have been ripped apart Dutty_Rag!

So your quote above and the one below is where we need to go from here,

Originally posted by dreams n chains
And that is where the public knowledge is easily available.

Can you see the mountain Elf?

Thank you Dutty_Rag for a very intriguing thread. I am learning a lot from it!

No I only live about 30 miles from Duty if he lives where his father studies, so no chance lol.

There are Webcams on this thread showing the Mt Baker from a distance, which show nothing, so we need to find a Member, or readers who live near Mt Baker to have a Look with a Telescope or hiking etc... or even flying close by.

A cam is here CURRENT: Mt Baker WebCam that side certainly is not Bald at all?

Done Alert Request going out now!

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 14-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Alert request for confirmation of the melt as described by the op to be found here:

ALERT REQUEST any Members Live near Mt Baker USA?

Should be able to find some further info than the ops source soon.

kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 14-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Does anyone know where on the Web we can find any real-time (or reasonably recent) satellite infra-red imagery of Nth America? I am sure such data and imagery exists but haven't been able to track it down.

The reasoning is simple: if we can locate good-quality imagery for the Mt Baker region, then if there is one side of the mountain that is bare of snow, it's likely that it will show up as warmer than the rest, which means it will have a brighter colour.

Anyone able to help?

Originally posted by JustMike
Does anyone know where on the Web we can find any real-time (or reasonably recent) satellite infra-red imagery of Nth America? I am sure such data and imagery exists but haven't been able to track it down.

The reasoning is simple: if we can locate good-quality imagery for the Mt Baker region, then if there is one side of the mountain that is bare of snow, it's likely that it will show up as warmer than the rest, which means it will have a brighter colour.

Anyone able to help?

I don't think anything is freely available to the public with that kind of resolution. There is this but there is no way to get close enough to distinguish a mountain, or filter out the cloud cover IR.

Regarding comments/observations that USGS either does not post some quakes or else removes them from the maps/posts them late, there are several documented examples of this on the "An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction" thread that Kattrax started back in May this year and which is now on page 81... By "documented", I mean that we have posted screen shots of USGS maps, charts, data pages and so forth.

But just to give you a recent example, yesterday there was a "magnitude undetermined" quake in Central Alaska:



I picked up on this because it appeared on the USGS Nth America Region maps. (It was never posted on the USA maps; there are often discrepancies in what data are posted on these maps.) I "zoomed in" on it by clicking on the map and took a screen shot. It's the small whitish square with the tiny red cross through it (which is used to indicate a new, mag-undetermined quake).



It didn't appear to be a major quake, but all the same I was interested to see what mag it would be assigned. However, within forty minutes of its occurrence, the quake disappeared from the map:



(All images from USGS. Reproduced for informational and educational purposes.)

It could be argued that it wasn't a "quake" at all and was instead caused by (for example) a mine blast -- though I'm not sure if there are any mining operations there 3.5 miles underground. For whatever reason, it was removed.

However, what I found interesting was that the location of this event at 63.852 N, 144.446 W, is just NE of the HAARP facility, which according to the HAARP official website is located at 62.235 N 145.88 W. It's things like that which I find fascinating and not just a little disturbing. As I said, this situation of USGS altering/removing/late-posting/not posting/deleting quake data has been going on for some time and we have been documenting cases that we've been able to catch. (Naysayers please note! We have examples documented, here on ATS.) But as you can see from the above example, sometimes you have to be very watchful and very quick.

Mike

Edited to fix one of the darned links!

[edit on 15/12/08 by JustMike]

Originally posted by zhuzha
I JUST HAD A WORST NIGHTMARE LAST NIGHT!!!

In the middle of the dream, I saw news on TV reporting huge earthquakes all around the world. It was so realistic that I was scared to death. I saw cities being sunk into the earth, huge bridges collapsing under enormous waves and a lot of lot of scary cataclysmic things.

I woke up and was so shocked, it was raining and whenever I tried to go back to sleep, I would dream about the same thing over and over again...

I thought I might share this with you guys, who knows...

Good luck yall..


[edit on 11-12-2008 by zhuzha]

Ok, before I get into this, I know the naysayers or people jumping on board to say this is crap. Let me also say that around this time every year end of the earth, god is coming, natural disasters and all sorts of stuff are predicted. Just like 2012, I think it will end up another Y2K thing, but that is for another post.

Two nights in a row I had a dream that I was driving from NC to New Orleans. My wife and I just got orders to get stationed there. I was driving through Tennessee into Alabama if I remember correctly and on my XM I heard reports of a huge Quake and right after that I started getting freaked. The next night I I dreamt I was driving and there were rock slides in the mountains at the NC Tenn border but for some reason I had driven through SC and into Georgia, but the quake ran right through to a huge bridge and collapsed it.

Here's something else interesting, Last week Earthquake 1975 with Charlton Heston was on, and last night Superman was on. All coincidental I know and none of this says there are definitely going to be Earthquakes. I also am aware that being on this thread and others like it make me notice more things relating to the subject. I just wanted to add to this poster to let him/her know that they aren't the only ones dreaming about this stuff.

Referring back to my previous post just up the page, I expect some of you will note (or protest) that there is another quake on the map which is about the same distance from the HAARP facility, though in a different direction. That's a fair observation but it doesn't explain the anomaly of why the quake I've mentioned got deleted.

Alaska has hundreds of quakes every day, so why they had to remove this one is puzzling to me. All it serves to do is attract attention to it by its sudden absence. If they had left it there and assigned a magnitude as per usual I doubt that anyone would give it more than a passing glance. True, most people didn't even give it that as it was whipped off the maps so darned fast, but you follow my meaning I hope.

Mike

I've been keeping up with the real-time maps @ usgs.gov and iris.edu/seismon, and up til today nothin really caught my eye/blew me away....til this morning, about 30 mins ago

just got on, and there's more Red (meaning w/in the last day) on the world-map now than I've seen all week...and they all seem to fall right on the purple lines (fault lines Ive assumed?)...even Africa's little purple dash has one! The second I saw all this, and realized today's the 15th (end of 10th-15th 'prediction') my heart skipped a beat. Now I'm wide awake and trying to shake this awful, awful feeling I have deep in my gut. My brother is flying back home tommorrow/this morning at 11 am, would really prefer if anything happened itd wait til after 2 pm EST

Nah but that has me real worried, I've just found and saved to my cpu the last 7 and 30 day EQ lists, as well as some fault line maps and such, and plan to check it out here in a bit

On vacation in Florida (came from Arizona) and on my sisters laptop, sorry for the anonymous name - name is BuckeyeKeel (one which I'd wager 0 people who read this will likely recognize, and hopefully one that doesn't become one you remember thanks to an ominous 5:30 am post)

Originally posted by JustMike
Referring back to my previous post just up the page, I expect some of you will note (or protest) that there is another quake on the map which is about the same distance from the HAARP facility, though in a different direction. That's a fair observation but it doesn't explain the anomaly of why the quake I've mentioned got deleted.

Alaska has hundreds of quakes every day, so why they had to remove this one is puzzling to me. All it serves to do is attract attention to it by its sudden absence. If they had left it there and assigned a magnitude as per usual I doubt that anyone would give it more than a passing glance. True, most people didn't even give it that as it was whipped off the maps so darned fast, but you follow my meaning I hope.

Mike

That is a good thing to know as I just started tracking and watching the quake reports a couple weeks ago and thought my mind was getting too old as I have seen the same thing. I guess I don't have Alzheimer's yet.

OP, I hope all continues well with your father. I found a well written link about Mt Baker's direction of fall out; and everything encycopedic about a hypothetical Mt Baker eruption, slides, directions, volumes. I don't want to read it all, but it may interest you. Mt Baker--map and article volcano related, ect: written 1995

I found it during a search through google images and have no idea how to find the non cached version of the page.

Originally posted by JustMike
Referring back to my previous post just up the page, I expect some of you will note (or protest) that there is another quake on the map which is about the same distance from the HAARP facility, though in a different direction. That's a fair observation but it doesn't explain the anomaly of why the quake I've mentioned got deleted.

Alaska has hundreds of quakes every day, so why they had to remove this one is puzzling to me. All it serves to do is attract attention to it by its sudden absence. If they had left it there and assigned a magnitude as per usual I doubt that anyone would give it more than a passing glance. True, most people didn't even give it that as it was whipped off the maps so darned fast, but you follow my meaning I hope.

Mike

I picked up a quake in Utah earlier this morning and it poofed. I went back and as it turns out they changed it to an avalanche so I'm guessing that might account for a lot of the Poofs after all many things could cause the ground to shake and as I started to think about it decided to keep checking to see if it poofed because it wasn't actually an earth quake but something else and what do you know sure enough.

Edit: Back on topic: I'm racking my brain as to why something like this would be classified or kept from the public considering it doesn't seem to be a serious thing just a cool thing I would assume sense the ops father is there till January.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by Darthorious]

reply to post by soma_pills

Thank you very much for your quick reply to my query -- and my apologies for being so slow in responding! I got sidetracked with another post and for the past ten hours have been a bit busy. But even that link you gave is a starting point and well worth having. I bookmarked it.

Mike


[edit on 15/12/08 by JustMike]

The disappearing earthquakes is in part due to two reasons:

If you are on the M1+ map and the quake proves to be below M1 it is taken off (same for the M3+).

Errant seismograph readings which can be many things.

For accurate info wait until it has been reviewed. They post them immediately so it is not unusual for them to be removed.

If you look at South-Central Alaska you will see we are surrounded by constant earthquakes. We have maybe three a year that we can actually feel.

reply to post by Darthorious

Yep, they go "poof" (as you so neatly put it ) for all sorts of reasons and I would guess that a fair number of them are for very mundane reasons indeed. Like avalanches, for example. Okay, so we have to assume that the avalanche wasn't the result of a tremor, but most of the time that's a fair assumption, depending where the avalanche is and what are the odds of one happening spontaneously. (I would suppose in Utah that would have been a snow avalanche rather than rocks or other debris?)

On to the main topic... Like you, I've been engaged in a bit of head-scratching over this one...

Now, this might have been mentioned before, but one reason things like "bringing in an overseas expert to study a volcano" may be kept quiet is the volatility of the mainstream media. They're always hungry for a good juicy story and if it's anything related to a volcano they can blow things out of all proportion (pun intended). Not saying that they all do or they always do, but they can. So, the officials involved often prefer to keep things under wraps while they do their studies. The other side of it is that if they release info that they are investigating "an anomaly" or even "an interesting effect" in relation to a volcano, some people will assume the worst and start panicking (with a little help from the gutter press, no doubt, in between reporting on Britney or women giving birth to chickens).

It's a truism that many people are grievously under-informed on even the most basic facts in relation to many natural phenomena. I sure don't claim to know it all or even a great deal , but I take the words of the tabloids (print or electronic) with large lumps of salt and at least try to find some form of reasonable verification for extraordinary claims. But sadly, some people don't, and they can suffer through (quite often) worrying over nothing. The other side of it is that if the media "cry wolf" once too often, then they're ignored when a real threat comes along and again, people suffer. So it's a fine line at times.

I think that often, the officials just prefer to be prudent. I would hope that if they find reasons for serious concern then they'll make an announcement. Meanwhile, we can just wonder at what's going on. It does seem unusual that they have asked the OP's Dad to hang around over Christmas: it would suggest if nothing else that time is of the essence in whatever it is they're studying. It doesn't have to mean an imminent eruption, though. It could just be a reasonably rare or rarely-observed phenomenon and they want to get as much data as they can while they have the opportunity.

The other possibility is that they have serious concerns that something major may be in the offing reasonably soon. However, that's pure speculation and not something that can be converted into a "definite" -- though doubtless there'll be some who'll try. Meanwhile, we can just scratch our heads and continue to snoop -- errm I mean search -- for reliable information. The OP is doing his best; frankly I find his inability to get a lot of information makes his claims more believable.

I am sorry for the web-bot posting. But I would have seen results by now. Fat Lady sang. But this is a great thread and lots of information, thanks.

reply to post by DDay


It is not Government Policy to announce a crises of any kind to the general public...they do not want to cause a public panic that they cannot control...it might be worth your time to investigate whether some family members of other members of the team are leaving town...or perhaps investigate who some of the other members are...if something big is getting ready to happen...they will feed it to the news media...it would appear in general terms...nothing specific...