Just wondering, why do so many of you seem to hate Jesus?

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.”


Manuscript studies indicate that this was a very early creed of the Christian faith, written within a few years after the death of Jesus Christ. Therefore, it’s dramatic that Paul ends the passage with “most of whom are still living.” Paul was inviting people to check out the facts. He wouldn’t have included a statement like that if he was trying to hide something like a conspiracy, hoax, myth or legend.

more here....

www.allaboutjesuschrist.org...


I am of course aware that this is a christian based site. so no need to point that out.

I do have a video and some pictures of Jesus, but I am very busy. So I'm not sure when I will be able to load them up and post them here. Please be patient.

Yeah that sounds rediculous, almost as ridiculous as someone asking for video proof of Jesus.


There is a ton of archeological evidence of places and people mentioned in the Bible. But even if bones were found that we could test DNA on, what is there to compare it to? I guess the unbelievers, will need Jesus to float down on their front lawn and offer them a miracle. Just like the Alien skeptics who need a spaceship to land on their front lawn.

reply to post by Good Wolf


Good Wolf,

I had an eyewittness account but you most likely will not accept that either. I had a NDE in June and the archangel Michael took me to Heaven and I saw, talked and touched Jesus. I had my hand on the gate and he had my hand and he said to me "Daughter all you need do is push it open and go in." I wanted to so bad and I started to push it but then I turned and asked him, "Why did you give me such beautiful grandbabies if I can't be there to help them grow up." Then he turned to Michael and told him to take me back. That is when they put me on life support. There is much more and I have a witness, my daughter who is Leo Virgo. She has posted my NDE on here and what all was told to her while I was dieing. She even video taped it and put it on you tube maybe to help others find peace. I know you are going to say oh, it was the medication or she was just talking out of her mind. Well, all I can tell you is YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE! Heaven is a beautiful place and smells like flowers. And yes, Jesus still had the scars on his hands when he touched my face. So, I did have my first hand account.


Peace,
Grandma

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I should go find all the NDE's the allegedly prove all the other religions. That's why NDE's aren't good for eyewitness accounts, especially when the evidence points to NDEs being the dying throws of the brain.

Although not that NDE's have anything to do with this thread. "Just wondering, why do so many of you seem to hate Jesus?"

Well, I don't hate Jesus, I don't believe he existed. I also don't believe the gospels were written by the people they have on their titles. I understand there to be no eyewitness accounts.

Why would I hate this myth?

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reply to post by PowerSlave

There is a ton of archeological evidence of places and people mentioned in the Bible.

Isn't their similar evidence involving other religions? Does that evidence really remotely prove all the claims a religion makes? If you are going to believe in one God due to that sort of evidence then why not others? Or other accounts of the same God in other religions?

"Hating" Jesus and disagreeing with the institution of "Christianity" are not the same thing. Surely you realize that.

Originally posted by PowerSlave
There is a ton of archeological evidence of places and people mentioned in the Bible. But even if bones were found that we could test DNA on, what is there to compare it to? I guess the unbelievers, will need Jesus to float down on their front lawn and offer them a miracle. Just like the Alien skeptics who need a spaceship to land on their front lawn.

There is plenty of archeological as well as real evidence of many of the people and places in many of the books on my shelves. I have one here that is full of real places and real people. It is by a man named Clive Barker. Perhaps you should read some of his books. By your logic, there is some scary crap out there. It is true, the books are full of real people and places.

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Isn't their similar evidence involving other religions? Does that evidence really remotely prove all the claims a religion makes?

I think what it does is set the scene/backdrop to the stories in the Bible. It would be very difficult to prove a miracle back then. When all you have are eye witnesses. There was no pictures or video back then, without these what do you expect? Our history books are full of stories based on nothing more that eye witness accounts. Does this make them all untrue?

There are in fact many stories that bridge different religions. The story of the flood comes to mind. Because these exist in more than one religion does that mean they aren't true? Actually I would think that would lend more proof.

The fact that Jesus exists in the Bible and in the Koran, albeit on different levels of enlightenment, to me offers more proof of his actual existence in some form or another.

I definatlly would like to hear more on your expeirence Grandma, because I am interested.

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is there anymore that you can share on what happened to you because for one , it was not the medication

when I read 90 minutes in heaven the book didnt go to much into detail

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

There is plenty of archeological as well as real evidence of many of the people and places in many of the books on my shelves. I have one here that is full of real places and real people. It is by a man named Clive Barker. Perhaps you should read some of his books. By your logic, there is some scary crap out there. It is true, the books are full of real people and places

I have read some of his books, personally I prefer S. King, if I want to be creeped out.

Unlike these books that are listed as fiction. The bible does not claim to be fiction. I will not feed the sharks any longer. You believe what you want.

And since we are suggesting books... how about you read the dead sea scrolls. There is quite an interesting story behind their discovery.

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I agree...

And don't call me Shirlie...

reply to post by St Udio

i understand the the first parts of identiifying self & recognizing others... but whats with the '...big charade being played out' ??

Hey St. Udio. This one here is virtually impossible to explain. Has to be experienced to be comprehended. Dont know much else to say, except that God is Love and Omnipresent. When you Love God with your whole being, you begin to feel the Love reciprocate. Then eventually you melt into this Love, the Love you have for God and God has for you becomes one Love, and since God is Omnipresent, you melt into All in Love. Makes sense???
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In response to Merrimen Weir:

Is this one of those 'my god is bigger than your god' things? Because it sure sounds like it. Also, it's a little arrogant to think I don't 'experience daily awesome' too. Or is your 'awesome' just that little better than mine because yours is Christian? Again, none of this sounds like someone who has undergone "ego death" to me.

So according to your assumptions or preconceived notions or maybe even your own experience, someone who has undergone "Ego Death" sounds like what?????

Cause to be honest with you, someone who has it would never attack Christianity, (they'd see the truth in it) nor say most the things you said. Honestly, someone with Ego death wouldnt say anything at all, would just Love everyone unconditionally.

But, in order to make statements about "things" an ego dead person, has to pick back up 1 piece of these million pieces of shattered ego ....to put on a mask and make a statement in defense of something. I am defending Ego death, saying it's real ....if no one ever said it, no one would ever know about it, that its real, that if you truly walk the walk as far as what jesus taught, you will have it.

So it feels to me that your attacking me and my profession of ego death, simply by the virtue that I am professing this and defending it as the highest possible reality on this planet.

Am I anymore special than anyone else .......HECK NO .... I never ever said that and never will so you can automatically set aside all your "labels" that you have of me .....because in reality my true label is infinite and eternal and is impossible to put a label on, as is yours when you realize it one day

Besides, I'd get on my hands and knees, wash your feet, give you the last shirt I own off my back, last dollar in my wallet, take a bullet for you, a run away car w/ a drunk drive driving, your pain, your jail time ....whatever it is I would take it from you ....only possible because of Ego death, I take up my cross and follow the footsteps of my savior. I Love you even though you label me with assumed labels that I know Im not and everyone who knows me personally knows Im not.

Before being a Christian Mystic tho, I woulda not even looked if you were about to get hit by a car, shot, stabbed whatever. Back then that was your problem not mine.

But Now, I wish to take everybodies pain and suffering and take it on myself in order to put you at ease. This is a faculty that comes w/ Enlightenment.

There is only those that have enlightenment and those that do not. Both are united in God and God loves both groups unconditionally. Oh and those that dont have Enlightenment dont understand those that do, Jesus said that it would all be "foolishness to their ears"

Do you have Enlightenment???? Well I cant call that, but I will say if you were deep into Spiritual Enlightenment, you would have never labeled me as "smugg" or "contrite" or any of those other labels you so frequently used.

Instead we'd be on the same wavelength, Pure Love, and you'd know yourself that theres truth in the Jesus path.

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Originally posted by Pjotr

WHY DO YOU ALL HATE HENRYZPOC? I have been here on Earth for 2 days now and I noticed nobody respects HenryZpoc. Nobody seems to acknowlegde him. Why are you all such big Haters? HenryZpoc is total LOVE, he really rocks. He gave as everything we have on our planet. Why don't you see that? I must be the HATE that blinds you. Has there been ONE Zpocian that ever did anything to you to hate our Henry so much? (I am trying to put forward the logical stance of this post, this is not a flaming or whatever, and I don't hate anything or anybody, I am just trying to understand)

Yeah I get it, but Personally think" the logic here is faulty.

If HENRYZPOC is doing miracles, walking on water, healing people, and has a message that I will have Enlightenment if I follow his teachings ......then perhaps I'd give him more attention and listen to what he has to say and perhaps write a book about all his acts.

If I found out there were "so called" prophets that predicted the coming of HENRYZPOC, hundreds of years in advance, and his actions were the fulfillments of these prophecies, then also this would entail that we should all perhaps check this guy out.

But, if non of the above is true about HENRYZPOC and he's just your average Joe who goes to work, kids, wife, has his own opinions about things, and likes to watch football on the weekends, well then I dont see the need to make a huge deal about HENRYZPOC, although it would be nice to be his friend regardless

Originally posted by PowerSlave
reply to post by angel of lightangelo

 

There is plenty of archeological as well as real evidence of many of the people and places in many of the books on my shelves. I have one here that is full of real places and real people. It is by a man named Clive Barker. Perhaps you should read some of his books. By your logic, there is some scary crap out there. It is true, the books are full of real people and places

I have read some of his books, personally I prefer S. King, if I want to be creeped out.

Unlike these books that are listed as fiction. The bible does not claim to be fiction. I will not feed the sharks any longer. You believe what you want.

And since we are suggesting books... how about you read the dead sea scrolls. There is quite an interesting story behind their discovery.

Have and sure is, thanks. I understand, S.K. uses smaller more simple words and the same plot over and over again, the dark half/secret window the mist/langoliers, blah blah. I was not speaking of creepiness anyway.

Is your argument that claiming to not be fiction is all it takes to be true? That is your whole argument, that the bible does not call iteslf fiction? Ok, what tells you "Sacrament" is not a true story? It even claims to be true in parts. Does the bible claim to be 100% true? Even after all the editing and translating and silly stories of adam and eve? I am really kind of lost as to how this proves that the bible is anything more than a collection of written words.

That is it. How can you even begin to try and claim it is true, because parts of it refer to things that are real? "Goodnight Moon" has a moon in it, that is still not a true story. The moon is real though. Although I know at ATS even that is up for debate.

reply to post by angel of lightangelo


Dr Who features people William Shakespear. Whould we conclude that it is real because Bill was real?

Why are so many Christians perpetuating this strawman? And why are the moderators allowing this to continue? If this was a political thread and people were using the same tactic, I'm sure the moderators would have stepped in by now.

There aren't "many" who seem to hate Jesus". This is being repeatedly demonstrated in this thread. The vast majority of responses in this thread are saying the same thing: 'we don't have a problem with Jesus; we have a problem with either some of the things that are done in his name'.

It's not a hard point to take on board, so why are so many self-professed Christians unable to do so? Why are they perpetuating the idea that "many (here*) hate Jesus"? Can't they read or understand the posts that are explaining exactly why this is a fallacy? The more they continue this as if it's a fact, despite proof to the contrary, the more it's looking like they're perpetuating a lie and they are liars. I thought honesty and truth were Christian virtues? Why isn't there more of it in this thread?


* I say here, because they're asking the members of ATS on ATS. If they mean somewhere else, they should be taking this question to that somewhere else.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


That's a good point? Why is the rhetoric still thrown around?

Considered the bible is supposed to be inspired by God, you'd the think just a little of that inspiration would rub off on the christians.

Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by angel of lightangelo

 

Dr Who features people William Shakespear. Whould we conclude that it is real because Bill was real?

Why would you ask me? I am not the one that stated that logical fallacy. I am making the same point you are trying to, silly. If you would like to reply to me, please do me the favor of reading my posts first. Any problem understanding me, just ask!

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thanks Meriman and Good wolf ,what can be said the OP wants to know why people hate Jesus ,we're all we don't hate Jesus and they go on with their ridiculous poor our God no one likes him as though we never posted anything ?????????