Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I actually saw his speech when he made that statement, so there is no question of whether he proposed it or not. He did.

Actually if you really had seen the full speech then you would not have said this:

Now, as to whether it will be a "Gestapo-like" force, of course, no one knows what it will be, because there have been no specifics, as far as I know.

If you had really seen the full video you would have heard him describe quite clearly what the "civilian national security force" actually entailed. You would know he gave specifics. You would definitely know he was not describing a 'Gestapo-like force'.

You would know that he was talking about civilian forces such as Ameri Corps, Peace Corps, etc. And creating an Energy Corps.

 

WOW!! A Georgia Congressmen is freaking ignorant!

Why would Ameri Corps, Peace Corps or any "Energy Corps" need to be as well trained and funded as the US Military?? Really, let's stop believing what is spoon fed to us and actually think about it for a second.

Originally posted by MrWendal
Back on topic:

The Congressman is 100% correct. This is what Hitler did as did the Soviets. Can I also go ahead and say "I told you so yet"?

That is 100% incorrect.

Why don't you actually watch the speech before you pass such radical judgment? It's only fair. Deny Ignorance I posted the speech in my previous post

Originally posted by spinkyboo

Originally posted by sapphirearaidia


Now on Obamas website they have changed the wording from Required Community Service with No Opt out..

Could you be so kind as to direct me to the Obama website link that you are referring to?
I don't see this information on Obama.com.

It was originally posted on Change.gov and you will no longer be able to see if for yourself, cause it has all now been removed, what a shocker huh? However if you want proof, I know the infowars site took screen shots of it prior to it's removal.

Originally posted by MrWendal
Why would Ameri Corps, Peace Corps or any "Energy Corps" need to be as well trained and funded as the US Military?? Really, let's stop believing what is spoon fed to us and actually think about it for a second.

These are all answered in the speech.

You are not in the position to tell me what I shouldn't swallow, when you don't even know what's in the spoon

The Congressmen based his wild ignorant accusations on the same extracted quote many are using to support this same nonsensical assertion. It sounds Gestapo-like when it's shortened into a 17 second clip, or when that small section is quoted. But that's simply not what is being suggested. It's about civilian organizations, such as the ones I described. The Congressmen was WRONG. He was ignorant to the truth of the matter.

As for why they should be just as well funded and just as well supported? The answer to that seems so obvious to me. I would ask you, why don't you think they should be? I think we just support different things in this regards...

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Get real! It is community service, not private ninja killers.

From wikipedia:

Examples of community service projects include (but are not limited to):

* cleaning a park;
* collecting much needed items including clothes, shoes, food, blankets, etc.;
* getting involved with Habitat for Humanity;
* cleaning up the side of the highways or roads;
* reading to the elderly in nursing homes;
* helping out a local fire or police department;
* helping out at a local library;
* tutoring developmentally disabled children for free
* participating in school activities that benefit the community.

Are you saying this is bad? Or you might just be lazy and fat and dont want to participate in bettering your country?

Here is a video made by crazy people.

Google Video Link

I mean, if any ones are crazy, then its the anti-Obama maniacs?

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And again i ask you..... why would Ameri Corps, Peace Corps etc have to be as well trained as the US Military?

Let's just stop and look at the wording all alone....

What is the US Military "trained" in? Well their primary purpose is to "provide necessary forces and capabilities ... in support of the National Security and Defense Strategies."

Well that sure does not sound like any Peace Corps I know of.

Now why would I say Hitler did the same thing? Time for History 101

The Sturmabteilung aka the "Brownshirts"

You are being spoon fed BS. They may have added a lot of salt and pepper and ketchup to it, so that it taste better, but at the end of the day it is still BS. Just cause Obama says it, doesn't make it so. Bush gave a pretty good argument for Domestic Spying. How many people then turned around and said it would be used to spy on Americans only to have the Bush supporters say, "Your wrong! It will not be used that way. Bush SAID it would only be used to monitor calls that went over seas to known terrorist!" Yet as time has went on we now know that NOT to be the case and it was indeed used to spy on American Citizens. Just cause Obama is saying one thing does not mean it will not be used for another. Stop blindly listening to Politicians and use a little common sense.

reply to post by Waldy


So, is this all "voluntary"? Did I not hear Obama say at one time he will "make you work"?

Did Hitler's Hitler-Jugend, Bund deutscher Arbeiterjugend (Hitler Youth, League of German Worker Youth) start off by telling everyone they were Ninja Killers of Jews? Or did they perform Community Services?

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by MrWendal
Why would Ameri Corps, Peace Corps or any "Energy Corps" need to be as well trained and funded as the US Military?? Really, let's stop believing what is spoon fed to us and actually think about it for a second.

As for why they should be just as well funded and just as well supported? The answer to that seems so obvious to me. I would ask you, why don't you think they should be? I think we just support different things in this regards...

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Please do not forget ..."as well TRAINED". You conviently that one out and yet it is a very important word. You can not pick and choose which parts of his speech to use, you must use it all. When you stop and look at the language being used, it should be quite alarming.

I'm not an Obama hater, but when I hear him talking about this 'force', I just don't think it would only consist of volunteers cleaning parks and such things. There has to be something else to it, though I don't claim to know what the intention is.

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Community Service already exist. Not only do we use Volunteers for these projects, but we also use people who have violated the law in some way and they are court ordered to perform "Community Service". So why would we need to "create" something that already exist and train them as well as we would the military? Please explain it to me like I was a 4 year old cause your logic is not making any sense to me at all.

And please explain to me why this was described as a "Domestic Security Force" instead of a Community Service Support team?? Again..look at the language... the word "Security" only means one thing.

reply to post by MrWendal


Yes, Obama used powerful language. Like "Just as well trained". Again, this only sounds threatening when taken out of context.

These national services require training...

You think someone can goto the Peace Corps or the Foreign Service and be a Diplomat without any training??...

I hope you didn't just read what the Congressman said and had a knee-jerk reaction without having watched the full speech...

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No I have watched the speech...I just don't buy into it. I will even watch it a second time to refresh my memory.

While I am doing that can you direct me as to what point Obama makes mention of this "force" being "diplomats"? Also...what does "Peace Corps, Ameri Corps and now "Diplomats" have to do with a "Domestic Security Force"?

The word Diplomat would indicate to me work being done elsewhere. The word Domestic (obviously) means right here at home.

Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

 

And again i ask you..... why would Ameri Corps, Peace Corps etc have to be as well trained as the US Military?

Let's just stop and look at the wording all alone...

That's the problem! The wording is "all alone". It is taken out of context. You can't take it out of context like this...it don't work that way!

I am not going to do a damn thing until you watch the actual speech. I have watched the entire thing. Watch the full speech and we can discuss it. Otherwise, what are we really discussing?

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You have watched the full speech? Twice you say?

Okay... list all the services Obama mentioned.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

I am sure that our military, the intelligence agencies and even the Secret Service would ensure there would be no dictatorship by anyone in the office of President.



[edit on 10/11/08 by MikeboydUS]

uuuuuuuuuuunnnlesss that's part of the plan towards world government.

the thesis of the dialectic if you will.

abuse the power sooooo badly that the rest of the world has to come in and stomp it out convincing everyone we need a centralized global governance so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

just sayin..


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all i can say to those "anti" Obama people in this thread, let the man get a chance firstly (he was elected in the name of democracy) and then why the hell you fear Obama when you have had Bush on the throne for the past 8 years, a man who have drive US into a disaster economy and putted your country into wars from day 1.

Best regards

Loke.

What liberties have you lost under GW Bush? You ranters still rant as you did in 1999.Michael Moore got filthy rich while spewing his BDS.Oliver Stone has total freedom to trash the POTUS.Hollywood derides Bush even as it thrives under him.He has kept the western world safe from Islamo-terrorists for 7 years.You may disagree with him on many issues as I do,but he doesn't deserve what you are saying about him.
It is high ranking Democrats that want to rein in the internet... that want to enact "hate speech" laws. It is certainly possible that you WILL lose some freedoms under the upcoming nanny state. I wish Obama well,and hope he will grow into the job--quickly! (before you scream economy please look into who is on the board of Freddie Mac and Fannie May.AND WHO THEY SUPPORTED IN THIS ELECTION,and why people like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd only recently declared all was well in the sub-prime loan kingdom.. )The myth of Obama was birthed in the corrupt Chicago political machine,who own him lock stock and barrel.THEY will tell him what to do.

Obama mentions several services, much the same ones already listed here. He spends some time giving a brief history lesson and the "Call to Arms" given by other Presidents such as FDR and JFK. He makes a very good MLK reference early on as well. Then he discusses the way "change" can be achieved and some of his early years trying to get community help to combat gang violence in Chicago. What can I say? On the surface I even want to applaud this man.

This is what we call laying down a foundation. I will admit it is a very inspirational speech. Now at this point, I hope you notice what he is describing is strictly what we call "Community Service"

As the people begin clapping while Obama hits his points, again in a very good and inspirational speech discussing COMMUNITY SERVICE, the clapping gets loader and then, almost as if it was just tossed right in there, he says (and yes I had it wrong before) "Civilian Security Force".

Was he discussing Community Service....yes. It was used in that context? Now... again... I say look at the language being used. We are talking about Community Service, why change the wording to Security Force? Those are two different things and in my mind, you heard a glimpse into what this "Community Service" will really be about. In my mind I recall the early Nazi tattle tale programs. They were sold onto the idea under guise of Communism and what they were doing by telling on their neighbors was there "Call to Arms" it was their "Patriotic Duty". You are watching the next phase in action. We were sold onto the idea that it was our "Patriotic Duty" to invade Iraq. They had WMD's and they helped plot 9/11, it was our "duty" to invade. What you are watching is the next phase of your "Patriotic Duty"

So you are correct as to the context that this idea is being sold to the public. What I am talking about is what it will turn into. Like I said in a previous post. Bush sold domestic spying to the people by saying these powers would only be used to track calls made or received to or from outside the US to known terrorist. It was the crazies like myself who jumped in and said, "He is gonna spy on American Citizens!". People like you defended Bush and said the same thing you are saying now..."Thats NOT what he said!" and technically you are correct....technically. Now as history showed us...it was the crazies like me who were right all along. We knew what it would be turned into and used for. Why? Because we dont listen to how you say it, we listen to what you do say. We learned (from years of experience) how the formula works. They will tell you exactly what they are going to do... what they don't tell you is what it is really for. However, before they do it...they have to sell it to you first. The population has to embrace it, or it will not work. This is why people, like myself, have said before.."By the time it is all said and done people will be begging for an NWO" and you can already see it on these forums now.

What you are watching is how to sell people on an idea. So, yes you are correct. That is the context Obama is using. What I am saying is that what he is doing is selling the population onto an idea. What this service will be used for is not what you are being told. Hence the language... Civilian SECURITY FORCE.



class dismissed.

Hi There,

Lucid Lunacy:

Listen to the full video...

I did. I had not seen this speech he gave, so I found it to be illuminating, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, in his speech for which one should fear.

It is a good speech, outlining the central premise of Obama's presidency...service to one's community, state, and ultimately...one's country. Obama is out to re-empower citizens with the tools and training they need to bring about a new sense in community, and to actually see the results of one's efforts.

The problem for many is that it is too socialistic, and through some warped and twisted view of socialism, they equate its ideology with that of failed totalitarian regimes, and use it as a means to embitter their fellow Americans. Socialism is not a political process, it is a natural process of our bindings to each other as a 'social' animal. Socialism is, however manipulated by politics and politicians to whatever ends serves their purpose.

Of course, Obama is no different there, but his presentation of the social underpinnings of his ideas, are such that reflect closer to our natural instinct to be social. If we are not arguing and fighting as we come together for a common purpose, then it is because there are level-headed illuminaries whom are showing us how we can work together, rather than develop cliques of division. Obama's presidency is about removing the divisions and divides hammered into place by Bush and his neo-republicanistic one-dimensional creeds. Obama's plans for developing civilian agencies has nothing whatsoever to do with enforcing law, but about mentorship where it is needed.

Best wishes

What really saddens me is even after you break down the formula and explain in detail what we are seeing, you still see post like the one above this. It is really disheartening and gives me no hope for the future.

Germany was a Parliamentary Democracy. It did not turn into a Dictatorship over night. It was a several year, step by step by step by step process. This is just the left foot moving forward after 8 years of the right foot moving forward. It is still a step forward into an already existing agenda. You are being sold onto an idea. The Nazi's had the SS. We have Blackwater. The Nazi's had the SA, we are going to have a "Civilian Security Force". The formula is always the same. Just like the citizens of Germany, people are embracing the idea.... and just like the citizens of Germany, you won't figure out what is really happening until it is too late. Just like Germany in the early 30's people like me will be warning you until we are all scooped up and taken to the camps, and just like Germany in the early 30's it will be average Citizens who told on us and sent us there.