SCOTUS petitioned for writ certiorari in Obama citizenship case, Obama to respond by Dec 1

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by beforetime
AND fastcheck.org is not god.

Ok, pretend factcheck.org doesnt exist. What about the statements from the head of the hawaiian health department. The doctors that confirmed his birth certificate. Do you think they would risk their credibility and careers to create a lie?

Lets take a rational discourse here. Why would Obama's mother, who raised him in poverty and foodstamps PURCHASE a ticket to give birth to Obama in Kenya, a third world country, then purchase ANOTHER ticket to fly all the way back to America to 'fool' everyone.

Can people not see the 900 pound elephant sitting in the room? Can someone explain that rationale?

Yes, that is what we are all wondering - can you NOT see the 900 pound elephant!?!? How hard would it be to authorize the release of a document to shut everyone up? Why spend countless hours and tens of thousands of dollars fighting the release of such a simple document?

The rationale discourse is that Obama's mother was LIVING in Kenya with his father while pregnant with Obama - DUH! Rational discourse says that she was prevented from flying back the USA to give birth because she was too far along in her pregnancy - which was standard procedure, and still is today. Rational thought states that his paternal grandmother stated that she witnessed the birth IN KENYA and has offered to show people Obama's birth place! Rational discourse tells me that there is enough here that the voters deserve better; they deserve to know - beyond ANY doubt - that this man does in fact meet the Constitutional requirements to hold the highest office of President of The United States.

Why you continue to fight this is beyond me - other than perhaps, in your heart, you know that once he's proven to be a fraud, your train will have reached it's last stop.

reply to post by HIFIGUY


Try reading the Constitution some time. Oh and by the way. I'm one quarter Passamoquoddy. To you that means Children of the Dawn. We have a res on Moose Island in Maine the city of Eastport, Me. also on that Island. FDR used to come there on his train and go to Campobello island from in front of my home I still own there!
My ancestors are the first ones to see the sun rise every morning in the US. I know what my Constitution says. I suggest you go find out.
Zindo

I guess the next time a government agency asks me for a verified copy of my birth certificate I can pull an Obama. If an agency of the government cannot take time to verify the birth certificates of presidential candidates to ensure that they are natural born citizens then they have no right asking me for mine.

reply to post by NGC2736

Your right about the next four years. You asked my opinion so I gave it. Thats all!!LOL

Zindo

I call shenanigans on this whole thread.

For the record I did *not* vote for Obama.

I have searched all morning and there is nothing available on this except an obscure SCOTUS document which does NOT mention anything about Obama producing documents. It denies the election injunction.

The original statement about Souter's clerk informing Berg about the Dec. 1 deadline appeared in a press release on obamacrimes.com BY Berg.

Can anyone present any evidence that the Supreme Court has said ANYTHING to Obama about responding?

We need to pick our battles. We have to admit we lost the popular vote, that the electoral college will meet on 13-DEC and formally put him in office.

We (libertarians and conservatives) need to stop being stupid and paranoid and start using facts to support our arguments and not blogs.

Seriously. Every time you post a stupid blog link to Breaking News, it makes Baby Jesus cry.

reply to post by ZindoDoone


That is one convoluted theory you have there. Care to back any of it up with actual facts or maybe just a bit more clarity. Why do you continually misspell Clinton?

reply to post by Simulacra

Thank you m8 :-) good one!

reply to post by HIFIGUY

Ya i agree so everyone go home please then i can run this country. Oh bye the way we are not all tonto!


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Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Simulacra
Ok, pretend factcheck.org doesnt exist. What about the statements from the head of the hawaiian health department. The doctors that confirmed his birth certificate. Do you think they would risk their credibility and careers to create a lie?

First I've heard of a doctor confirming his birth certificate and I wasn't aware that they were qualified to do so. As for the head of the health department, she isn't risking her career or credibility. She verified that they are holding it. She never verified if it says he was born in Hawaii or if it says he was born elsewhere, only that they are holding it. Which really is quite smart on her part. That is what all the fuss is about. Not if they have his birth certificate on file in Hawaii, but what is listed as his place of birth.

Everything you said is wrong and hopefully, this is the last time im going to repost this link. Im not even going to quote it again as I've done so many times over: www.kitv.com...

If Obama was born in Kenya, the Kenyan departmen of health would have his records on file.

He was born in Hawaii, therefore the department of health has his records on file.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

So you think that the Hawaiian department of health somehow confisicated a Kenyan birth certificate and is holding it in their records?

How about you provide evidence that Obama was born in Kenya and stop trying to attack, attack, attack.

Start proving

Originally posted by kozmo

I haven't the time, nor patience, to give you an elementary education and deprogram you from your obvious guzzling of the "kool-Aid" but I will say this. Obama's Birth Certificate HAS NEVER BEEN VERIFIED! Never, ever - not once, not ever!!!

Read this post in THIS thread: linky

Sounds to me like THE legitimate Official who would d the verifying has made a statement VERIFYING the document. Not his document of 'live birth" but his 'Birth Certificate'.

....Kool-Aid....

reply to post by Witness2008


I misspell Klinton because I can. My theories are my own speculations from past experience with the Klinton regime. I do not have to explain myself. Its what I think and if you disagree you prove your statements as to why!!! Maybe you should have Witnessed the 90's a bit more. You might understand why many feel as I do about Shrillary and why I use "K" instead of "C"!!
Zindo

Originally posted by Simulacra
Everything you said is wrong and hopefully, this is the last time im going to repost this link. Im not even going to quote it again as I've done so many times over: www.kitv.com...

Your arrogance is tiresome. Once again from the link you provided:

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Now where in that does it say they verified he was born in Hawaii? Oh yeah it doesn't. Which explains the circles you are talking in.

If Obama was born in Kenya, the Kenyan departmen of health would have his records on file.

And do you know for certain that they don't have his records on file in Kenya? You seem to have some knowledge that the rest of us don't so please share that with us.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

Ok, so they have it. As has been pointed out numerous times by me, you and many others in this thread. That is not the issue. The issue is what it says is his place of birth. Thus the lawsuit.

So you think that the Hawaiian department of health somehow confisicated a Kenyan birth certificate and is holding it in their records?

Did I say that? Should we add this to the list of things you claim I said yet can't prove I said?

How about you provide evidence that Obama was born in Kenya and stop trying to attack, attack, attack.

Start proving

Again, I didn't say he was born in Kenya. So in your own words start proving I did. You want to call me out on things I've said, that's fine. But if you can't prove I said something you may want to back off with the accusations. I'm not the one who's starting to look bad here.

I'm still waiting.


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edit again to add: I would also like a sentence by sentence explanation of how everything in my last post was wrong. I'm especially interested in how you are going to prove my first sentence wrong. You know the one where I said it was the first I'd heard of a doctor verifying his birth certificate and that I wasn't aware they were qualified to do so. This should be interesting.

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reply to post by emsed1

We (libertarians and conservatives) need to stop being stupid and paranoid and start using facts to support our arguments and not blogs.

Yes, please all...re-read that above quotation. Relying on weak arguments simply undercuts our position from which to make meaningful arguments. Are half the "conservative" voices here on ATS disinfo agents, or what? Focus, people.

A good place to start would be asking the MODS to rename/label this thread, as any number of posts within the thread have pointed out the statement in the title is factually wrong.

I know people are eager to rebuild, but don't rush into it at the cost of our own credibility.

Personally I think that if there were any issue here, it would have been exploited already, by Edwards, Clinton, McCain, or anyone else who stood to gain.

However if it does turn out he wasn't born in the USA, it becomes a national security issue. It would undermine the United States system so much, and possibly cause civil unrest, so there would be no choice in most agencies minds, but to have all the needed documents fabricated, and those who have truth paid off or otherwise silenced.

reply to post by Simulacra


You do know that when the Brits left Kenya in '63 and Kenya gained its independance, the streets of Nairobi glowed with bonfires of British documents and books and all manner of furniture or anything, for that matter, that was British. Records are near non- existant before '70. Word of mouth of the history of families is a tradition in most of Africa. If an elder says someone was born at a certain time and in a certain place, its gospel for the region! Thats why no record of his birth is available from Kenya!

Zindo

Ok all i would like to know was he born in a shack or a hospital in the U.S.

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by die_another_day
I'd rather have a capable president than a dumb redneck born in the U.S.

I would rather have an honest, dumb redneck as president than a proven liar who can make a good speech. One would always do the right thing for the country. The other would always do the right thing for himself.

What makes you think that a "honest, dumb redneck" would "always do the right thing"?

And btw.. what exactly is "The right thing?" Anything that makes you happy?

If you ask me the Constitution is severely outdated when it comes to the qualifications to the post of president. Obviously, during such turbulent times as that document's crafting, Congress could not have provided a gateway for wealthy and influential foreigners to enter American politics, no matter how much the intellectual they may have been. At that time, the American identity was very, very fragile. Nothing could be done so as to leave that new country vulnerable to foreign influence, unless the entire experiment were to fail completely. This must be amended. I want to see Governor Schwarzenegger as president; he has expressed interest at some points in time. Some of our best Americans have been born outside the coutnry. This country after all, is the epitome of patria in all the modern world. We should embrace all our citizens as what they are. Who do you think you are believing you have greater right over those that were not born here, yet who are considerably more emulated and more deserving of their American character than you yourself.

As it stands, in this regard, we are more primitive than the Romans. The BEST Roman Emperors came from outside Latium. They were well aware of their ancestry, but would put their country and their civic duties above all the interests of their birth places. Above all, they were Roman.

Anyway, WE have chosen the President. No birth certificate will ever change that. If he has been proven not be of natural birth, I am certain we will have our Twenty-eight Amendment.

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