Why do women break up with nice guys?

DUDE IM NOT ASKING FOR PITY YOU SADIST.

Stop patronizing me. Where's your respect? I'm done with you. You're sick. You're not human.

reply to post by The Quiet Storm


I have no intention of patrionzing you. I am telling you as it is. Deal with it.

You want respect..earn it..stand up for yourself..dont whine!! Demonstrate that you can think and act for yourself. Go the distance.

Did you not read the part where I posted that when you are a man you must often conduct your business alone and in difficult circumstances. No one is coming to rescue you, to save you, To flash dance you, to put the choicest morsels on the table for you to consume ..without work and without RISK.

I am not here in this world to glorify my human qualities. Nor your's as well. What are you thinking here??

Did you not understand what I meant when I stated that I believe we are all bad people?? How can bad people glorify their human traits?? You can't.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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I'm going to have to say, Tom.... that you Don't even believe what you Say.

You CLAIM to.. but you don't.


Allow me to Enlighten You.


You claim to be Strong, Jaded, Tough.... Whatever...


You work at your Job, you earn your money, and you claim "Survival of the Fittest" as justification for your condescension.

It is indeed mirrored in the political landscape. I find that politics is ideally feminine. You can take from others without RISK and give it to those who don't RISK for votes, power, and influence. All the time tooting ones horn and the horn of certain political parties. If it goes bad you can put others in the spotlight and become scarce..or claim lack of knowledge or Victimization. If it goes well you can take credit for it and very few will notice what has happened..very occult in its nature and this is not accidental.

Stop Complaining about the power Structure that is Bending you Over, and taking all that you have....

They are your MASTERS, and you should humbly submit to their Superiority.

You know... Survival of the fittest and all.

Agree here. This has become the fingerprint of excellence to be sought after today. Not how much one knows or can do..but how much one can feed off others while looking good.
Television and movies parasite off this template to groom the next generation of malleable voters/consumers.

Again... Stop complaining about being the Victim.

They are clearly superior to you in Every way, which is WHY they have you completely under their Thumb.


Do you not like being taxed into oblivion?

Suck it up, Grow Up, and Be a Man.


You lost the Moral high ground to Judge others, the moment you told them to not complain.

So kindly take your hypocrisy to a Forum where people will pity YOU.



To Defend those, who cannot defend themselves.

This is what keeps you Safe at night.

To Protect the Weak, From the Strong.

This is the backbone of Civilization.



-Edrick

Well, I gotta thank you Edrick for defending me.

I gotta admit though.. I do have to understand much of what orangetom is saying. I really do my best not to seek for pity, but orangetom just seems overly callous, and I just don't know what to say to him, as he will just keep portraying me in a really negative picture calling me a names like sissy, wimp, whiney, etc. and I'm not going to call him names, I'm just going to be honest. To be honest, maybe I don't have the vocabulary and the knowledge to be "assertive." Maybe I'm too honest, maybe I over-expose myself my heart and my vulnerabilities. Maybe I'm actually just have a big ego. And assertion doesn't always work. Assertion requires knowledge, justification, it's not mere aggression. When it doesn't work, aggression seems to be the only way when passivity is out of line.

but you know, people talk about # you know.. it not always whining, but to get an objective view. It's just observations sometimes.

whatever.

reply to post by Edrick


Edrick,

I dont think so Edrick.

Allow me to enlighten you.

I dont consider myself tough or jaded nor above others. I have beliefs and lines of thinking and on occasion I make them known. Some tend to call this a high horse. I dont think so.
I make no excuses for who or what I am or think. I am driving this bus. Paying for it..taking the RISKS. I choose where and when go my sympathies/understandings. This is my right to so do.

I dont have to go along or play ball as others try to outline for me. Male or female. I have to do this at work as part of a team effort but not once I leave that place.

I do have some sympathys for certain people who have genuine handicaps..but not The Quiet One. If you call this condescension or superiority...well that is your view and your problem. I dont think so.

There is a fellow outside the gate in a wheel chair who has one leg missing. I give him monies and when time allows I let him use my phone to call someone to help him. I dont carry his water for him.

However..I have told him to never to try telling me how much to give or when. It is my monies earned at great risk. I dont let others tell me how much to give or when. That is my decision based on my judgements.

I dont believe in Victimization as it is often portrayed today or another version ..used to get sympathy for the devil. Victimization has become a cottage industry like racism and sexism..homophobia. And politics has further whored out these groups. All of them play the victimization game. It too gets wolfie.

Once you know this template...folks like The Quiet One become very wolfie.

As to this....

To Defend those, who cannot defend themselves.

This is what keeps you Safe at night.

To Protect the Weak, From the Strong.

This is the backbone of Civilization.

This is an entitlement???

Our "Civilization" is going the way of Rome (SPQR) and with all the same baggage of Rome. Soon it will not be able to defend or offer even the appearance of defending anyone safe at night. It will lose it's backbone to whorish politics. This has been going on for some time now through the same deficit spending policies as was going on in Ancient Rome. A world turned upside down. This is not new in history. It is a repeat.

The backbone of civilization is people working/laboring for what they have and able to use their own discretion/creative energys. on what they will spend their earnings/skills, knowledges...not cede it to an all knowing, all seeing government. To direct their energys on their own selfish persuits. Not being socially, ethically, and morally obligated to carry the water for others while they ride with no RISK on the public purse.
This used to be a system called Represenative Government here. Sometimes it is called a Republic or Republican form of government. Today, by public education non standards and a movie/television education, it is called Democracy.

Also Edrick,

I tend not to use movies and television to explain concepts. It shows the television/movie education and emotions of which I call Public Education. You did well explaining your position right up to the point you used a movie/movies to add further emphasis to your beliefs.

The Quiet One,

To my knowledge I did not call you all those names. I did clearly say and imply that you whine to much.
No problem. As I stated I have a pretty thick skin or bark.

Women are not interested in such whining from a man. They tend to want their men ready made and not a project they must make....not whiney. Able to step up to the plate and solve lifes problems for them without RISK. Including their intimate problems.
This seems to escape you in reasoning. A whiney male is not attractive to them. This is what I call growing up and this seems to be a foreign line of thought to you. Some women call this "Confidence."
I know very very few women who are attracted to whiney men who lack confidence in daily affairs..including and especially "Oil Shortage affairs." For most women ..confidence in a man translates into "Security."
They do not want men or males who are higher maintenance than themselves.
This is a standard default setting for most women.

One more thing Quiet One. "Whatever" is a standard default line among many females and the effeminate. It is used when substance is lacking. In like manner to politics, "whatever" is from form and not of substance. I notice certain words very quickly..and "whatever" is one of the favorite of those in this world and of this world.
You might want to make note of this..form verses substance.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Dude I'm not whining.

Anything "negative" you say can also be considered "whiney" in the same criteria you label my speech "whiney". Don't judge me, when you judge yourself in the same manner. Judging me as being "whiney" and "negative" is you being whiney and negative. Simply because I talk about things doesn't mean I'm whining, and it doesn't give you any right to belittle me in front of others for simply talking about observations I've made. I don't look for pity either. That's a personal choice and usually people only help out another unless they pity them, which is probably wrong, but what can they do?

You know what I mean. Nobody wants to be a damn victim. You have no common sense? It's human error if they do. You continue to judge though.

Calling me effeminate is weak, and a stupid way to make yourself look stronger. I also don't appreciate your use of my s/n to belittle me.

You're just too much. I dont know why you waste your time here if you are so detached.

reply to post by orangetom1999

I dont think so Edrick.

Here we Go Again.

Allow me to enlighten you.

Ah... the Monkey Giving the Bird Flying lessons, eh?

I dont consider myself tough or jaded nor above others.

You Said:

If you have been tit fed/breastfed/sheltered most of your life...learning by experience is foreign to you.
Obviously you have had few male teachers in your life.

This is what you call a high horse. No problem by me. Call it what you like. I have a hard bark. I can take it.

Jaded, Above Others... Etcetera.

Stop being Ignorant.

I do have some sympathys for certain people who have genuine handicaps..but not The Quiet One. If you call this condescension or superiority...well that is your view and your problem. I dont think so.

No... *I* am not calling it Condescension.... The definition of the WORD APPLIES to you.

Condescension:
1. the trait of displaying arrogance by patronizing those considered inferior
2. a communication that indicates lack of respect by patronizing the recipient

If you have been tit fed/breastfed/sheltered most of your life...learning by experience is foreign to you.

That you do not THINK you are being Condescending, Merely indicates your supreme ignorance of the Meanings of the words that you are aping.

There is a fellow outside the gate in a wheel chair who has one leg missing. I give him monies and when time allows I let him use my phone to call someone to help him. I dont carry his water for him.

IF you were beaten by a gang of Thugs, I would laugh at you, and tell you to Carry your own water.

You are a Disease, Man.

And just what do you mean when you say "Carry Your Own Water"?

Do you Serve in the Military?

Did you Invent the Uranium/Plutonium based Nuclear Reactor?

Do you pay YOURSELF, or do your SUPERIORS pay you?

YOU depend upon people who are STRONGER than you are... and yet, you treat others like garbage when life hands them a bum hand.

You enjoy Making fun of others, because it is what you have been taught by the Women.

I am beginning to think that you *ARE* a woman.... being all emotional when it comes to defending the ladies poor choices in picking you.

You know... like the way they Love Diamonds.

Useless, Overprices, Shiny, and completely Superficial.

I dont believe in Victimization as it is often portrayed today or another version

And yet you complain about the Government/Media screwing over your society.

You are a Hypocrite who expects a pity party because you are not free and wealthy, and yet you treat people who do not change who they are for Female Appeal like Trash.

You are quite transparent, and Puerile at that.

You know they say that Children are the most Cruel.

All of them play the victimization game. It too gets wolfie.

Would you mind defining this word "Wolfie"?

Or are you just going to keep making up words as insults because you lack the Conviction to use actual words?

The backbone of civilization is people working/laboring for what they have and able to use their own discretion/creative energys.

Did you invent the Nuclear Reactor that you work in?

Did you invent the Polyphase Alternating Current system that you are taking advantage of Right now?

Did you invent Calculus? Electronics? Computers?

Or are you just patting yourself on the back for being able to use the Fruits of someone else's labors?

You make me Sick.

not cede it to an all knowing, all seeing government.

Hey, stop complaining, they Defeated you Fair and Square.

Survival of the fittest, and their Station in life PROVES that they are more fit than you.

Get back in LINE, SLAVE.

To direct their energys on their own selfish persuits.

Listen, I GET that you *think* that all humans are Evil, Selfish Creatures.

This is why you are ignorant.

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Do you know who This is?

Do you know why he is not selfish?

Do you realize how Utterly and Tragically Wrong you are about EVERYTHING?


Because Civilization is about being CIVILIZED... it means that you don't go up to Crippled people and ask them why they suck at dancing.

You are a Vain, Selfish, Self-Centered, Egomaniac, Who believes that you deserve the Fruits of other peoples efforts.

You Do Not.

You deserve NOTHING of Society, of the efforts of Cooperation, of Advancement.

Because you are not human enough to afford others the assistance that you have been granted by virtue of being born in your civilization.

The civilization that you did not build, but have decided to reap the benefits of the hard work of others.

Go live in a Cave, Naked and Alone.

You do not Deserve Civilization.

and people like *YOU* are the reason that it is failing.


*Because it's all about what you can TAKE, as opposed to what you can MAKE.*

Not being socially, ethically, and morally obligated to carry the water for others while they ride with no RISK on the public purse.

I'm not telling you to carry someone else's water.

I'm Telling you to stop Hogging the [snip] well.


Animals follow the Survival of the Fittest... and apparently, that is the only type of "Society" that your Brain can Grasp.

Pure, Unthinking Anarchy.

I tend not to use movies and television to explain concepts. It shows the television/movie education and emotions of which I call Public Education. You did well explaining your position right up to the point you used a movie/movies to add further emphasis to your beliefs.

And Why should I care how *YOU* express concepts?

There's that High Horse again.


Do me a favor.

Start thinking about people other than yourself for a change.

Because if you Don't, then why should anyone help you with anything?

-Edrick (YOU'RE THE WEAK)

reply to post by The Quiet Storm

Well, I gotta thank you Edrick for defending me.

Think nothing of it... I enjoy exposing Weak Selfish Animals for what they are.

I do have to understand much of what orangetom is saying. I really do my best not to seek for pity

Don't You [snip] *DARE* apologize.

*YOU* are worth MORE than He (and they) want you to think.


You don't really want to Judge yourself by the Standards of someone who thinks "Manliness" is something that is bestowed by a Woman's Vagina, Do You?

Listen, Western women are Vain, Shallow, Self Centered, and Narcissistic... and they Seek out men who are LIKEWISE Vain, Shallow, and Self Centered, and Narcissistic.

People who spoil women with praise, flattery, and UNDESERVED ATTENTION, because they are unable to Control their Base Instincts.

You have STRENGTH in you, Man.... Do you really think these "Players" Could survive the isolation?

THEY ARE THE WEAK.

Their WEAKNESS is what is corrupting the Women of the Western World.

They care for no-one but themselves.


Don't you Dare Apologize.



-Edrick

Wow.. you didn't have to do all that, but wow man!

I don't want to show too much of myself but I just had to say something.

As for the 'being sorry'.. well orangetom I can at apologize at least, and forgive, whatever it is. It's better to forgive than forget.

The Quiet One,

Dude I'm not whining.

Anything "negative" you say can also be considered "whiney" in the same criteria you label my speech "whiney". Don't judge me, when you judge yourself in the same manner. Judging me as being "whiney" and "negative" is you being whiney and negative. Simply because I talk about things doesn't mean I'm whining, and it doesn't give you any right to belittle me in front of others for simply talking about observations I've made. I don't look for pity either. That's a personal choice and usually people only help out another unless they pity them, which is probably wrong, but what can they do?

The Quiet One,

You are not handicapped like the fellow to whom I referred outside the gate. You have however, by your reasoning and thinking/value system, managed to handicap yourself mentally without being physically handicapped. This is obvious by your posts and the nature of your posts. This is why you come across as whiny. If I can see it the women on here most certainly can see it.
No problem by me. Bon Appetit.
If you cannot take what I am telling you..cannot withstand it ..How are you going to survive what is coming to you outside the door of your residence?? Do you think anyone out here is going to candy coat it for you?? Do you think that you deserve candy??


Edrick,

You enjoy Making fun of others, because it is what you have been taught by the Women.

You need to check your insecurities here. You don't see me laughing about this. It is a serious topic. Not a laughing matter. Are you going postal on me here??

Do you pay YOURSELF, or do your SUPERIORS pay you?

YOU depend upon people who are STRONGER than you are... and yet, you treat others like garbage when life hands them a bum hand.

You need to think this through much more. They hire me because they don't want to do this themselves. As to treating others like garbage...wow!! Quite Storm has handed himself a bum hand here. Where do you get the concept that people deserve something different than what life deals them ..without RISK??
You do understand that adversity and difficulty properly survived makes one stronger. Defaulting through does not do this.??

Get back in LINE, SLAVE.

I am not a Buddhist nor Hindu.

Because Civilization is about being CIVILIZED... it means that you don't go up to Crippled people and ask them why they suck at dancing.

Civilization is indeed about being CIVILIZED. Quite right here. It was not however built by crippled people. And Quiet Storm is not crippled nor handicapped. What is the matter with your thinking??

You are a Vain, Selfish, Self-Centered, Egomaniac, Who believes that you deserve the Fruits of other peoples efforts.

Interesting summary you have posted here.
I believe you earn what you consume..not default through because you come across as crippled or handicapped.
If you don't earn it ..you do without until you do earn it. This is vain??? Selfish?? Self Centered, Egomaniac??

Oh..before I forget..I am not a big fan of Mahatma Gandhi.

While I do recognize that he put the British or the Crown in a bad light politically, I do also recognize that he did little to change the economic situation in India. Very little changed until certain western influences were allowed to enter and change the landscape of India to what it has become economically today.
The Caste system of India has kept them economically backwards for Millennium. Economic prosperity is not possible under such an system. For this reason I am not impressed with Mahatma Gandhi.
The caste system is just a variation of Feudalism. And feudalism is to what this country is attempting a return.

Oh..and also while I am thinking about it...

You don't really want to Judge yourself by the Standards of someone who thinks "Manliness" is something that is bestowed by a Woman's Vagina, Do You?

I dont know where you get the concept that I think manliness is bestowed by a womans vagina. Go back and read The Quiet Ones posts. I'm not the one with an "Oil Shortage."

Listen, Western women are Vain, Shallow, Self Centered, and Narcissistic... and they Seek out men who are LIKEWISE Vain, Shallow, and Self Centered, and Narcissistic.

I tend to agree with the first part of this quote of yours. However...in the second part....I think it is more like...they tend towards seeking out men who can support these characteristics in them. A good provider of the support required to maintain and even improve this system for themselves and children...without RISK.
I believe that most Western Women have no clue how hard it is on women in other nations without such economic affluence. They tend to think that how western people live is normal. Most of the world does not live like this male and female both.

And finally The Quiet One,

As for the 'being sorry'.. well orangetom I can at apologize at least, and forgive, whatever it is. It's better to forgive than forget.

I am not asking you to apologize though I understand and appreciate the consideration. I am saying you need to grow a pair.

This world outside the door is a hard and harsh place. Lots of wildlife out here ..male and female both. They are not going to coddle you and hence your tendency to whine is not going to help.
You need to understand this about the world outside the door frame and not operate on the principle of whining or that somene owes you by default. Because if you do it is not going to happen. It is that simple.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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