Why do women break up with nice guys?

'm not even going to reply to your post gps, I'm sorry but you misunderstand more than half of what I say, you put words in my mouth because you like to view what I say prejudice.

Kilgore Trout:

Well I have to admit you were kind and I thank you for that. I usually don't like to show gratitude when someone compliments me because I dont want to be or seem egotistic, and I deny it to show others that I deny it in myself and can be better,and then sometimes it works against me.

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Well being Australian,I just had to go and look up what your on about,yet I knew already it had to do with womens rights from what you had posted.

Well, I'm sorry that I don't know Australian law very well....

But you shouldn't call it "I had to go look it up" when I furnished a LINK to the topic of discussion.

That's not only lazy, but insincere.

How do you know that the women you responded to shares extreme feministic views,to me,I`d rather give someone a chance before judging them.

Voting Requires LOGIC, and REASONING CAPABILITIES.

Like the Logic and REASON required to CHASE a gender who will not take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for making sure the human race BREEDS.

Acting all like Flowers, Apples, And other things that have no free will.

Its coming off as if you hate all women and they`re all to blame for the woes of the world.

I don't hate women.

I hate men who think that Woman ARE MEN.

While treating them like retarded children who are not capable of making their own Decisions.

I know your smarter than this and your just picking a fight for the hell of it

And I know that you are smarter than to think that women should CHOOSE WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT DOES, while not holding them accountable for their own actions.

Look, I don't mean to be RUDE, again... but here comes the CRAYON.


Women DESIRE to be OWNED by Powerful ALPHA Males.

And they are going to VOTE IN THIS CAPACITY, in Governmental Elections.


You can trace the Loss of personal Freedom (for the benefit of a little temporary SECURITY) to womans suffrage.

Because women do not UNDERSTAND FREEDOM.

They have never had to FIGHT for it, they never EARNED it, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, because Guys like you will *LIE* to them to make them feel good enough about themselves to spread their legs for you.



Ignorance is Strength

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery.



Under the spreading chestnut tree, I sold you and You sold me.

The collective IGNORANCE of the Western Worlds MALES, in lying to women, TO GET LAID...


IS YOUR ONLY PROBLEM

-Edrick (You WOULD call the Truth, Hatred)

Originally posted by Edrick
I don't mean to be Rude....

But where is the Effort on the Girl's behalf here?

What girl? See, my point yet.

Originally posted by Edrick
OR is she merely a Trophy to be Won?

And, who, is this 'she' we are referring to all of a sudden?

Originally posted by Edrick
Why do men have to do the Chasing, but women Don't?

And pray tell, where do I say that they do?

Originally posted by Edrick
Do you call this Equality?

Blah...?!

That last post Edrick man, is sad. Everything you have said thus far is true and I can definitely relate. I can't believe that it is this way.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I don't understand why a man has to 'woo' while a woman does nothing.

Me neither! But! You would be surprised at how many men find it threatening [whisper] to their masculinity[/whisper] when the women do, do the wooing.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Do you understand what WOOING means?

Yes, yes I do.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Wooing means I have to compete with all other men, with her own mind to get to her.

But no, no you don't.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I don't really woo, besides if I woo a girl it means I prefer her more than any other woman, and her bits (even if it's just personality) and that's unfair. It's selfish too. It means that for one male to woo a woman he has to be selfish, and put his needs first in place of hers and other women. It's not that I wouldn't prefer her, but I don't socialize with a girl more simply because I like her, that shows I'm just interested in her bits.

I'm not sure what you mean, are you saying that you are worried that if you show a preference for one girl, and she turns you down, the next girl you try might feel 'second best'? Or a girl you get to know as a friend, might think you only were her friend because you wanted to get in her pants? Be clearer. And if you don't 'woo' or at least attempt to, that is your problem right there.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I am more indirect in my approach, I want things to be natural, and equal.

Wooing is the most natural thing in the world. Indirectly or otherwise. And, certainly, the more equal the better. It wouldn't be fun otherwise.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
It's just contrary to what you said: don't show her you're interested in her bits, but her personality and then woo her? That's why I don't try to woo her, I am just myself around her and every other woman. The moment I show attraction she knows I'm interested in her bits, it's the only reason I'd be trying to woo her in the general sense. Bits even include personality. Anyway do you expect me to be asexual? So I just try not to view her as her bits, and act as if attraction doesn't even come to the picture. Out of respect and courtesy in fact. You dont want me to come off as being too forward right? You never know what is being too forward and what isn't.

Well for starters don't go thinking of them as 'bits', haha, sorry, but that just cracks me up. ANd also don't take my advice because I am no source of wisdom in these matters and only ever speak from experience, so just rack me up with the rest...just to warn you... But, what is very appealing is when a man likes particular 'bits' (sorry!), so it is not too forward to say someone has a nice mouth, or feet....and, if that person then makes efforts to indicate that she wants you to look at those parts, by touching her mouth, adjusting her feet so that they look 'nice'...then that is a pretty good indicator that she might like to know what else you like about her...wooing isn't so hard...but in short a fairly innocuous compliment about a relatively none sexual part of her, is a good way of getting things moving along.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
You tell me to woo, yet at the same time you want me to show her that I'm not just interested in her bits which means to be ego-less. To woo though means you need to show her you're interested in her personality as a 'bit' and be selfish. That's why I try to get to know a woman first normally with normal situations. If there's a spark then I'll try, because a spark is first necessary. She needs to know that *I* just being myself makes her happy and that I want her happiness to continue by showing her more of me.

No, no, no, not ego-less at all, quite the damn opposite, as long as done with honest, self-defacing humour. Depends on the level of wooing you're going for though, and that depends on you. I agree with you entirely, and it is when you drop the defense that you are 'attractive' in this thread. A woman is not going to drop her defenses, until you do. Not the type of woman you seem to be looking for anyway. Wooing is just that, being yourself and showing the person that you are pursuing that you like their self too. Wooing is all about two egos coming out to play.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Not getting down on my knees and begging, trying to coax or co-erce her.

Where did that come from? No one finds begging attractive, except sadists and you don't want to be chasing those sort

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Isn't it what all women say, just be you?

I have absolutely no idea what all women say, I speak, usually, only for myself.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
The moment you TRY to woo, the moment you make effort to "woo" to "seduce" to "play the game" the moment you are set in a trap, and you lose. It's a game to women. Countless men do this, and she's already built a powerful defense mechanism against anything she might think is similar to her past encounters.

Ummm, maybe, I don't know, it'd depend upon the woman, that is what I mean, focus your sights, you need to be more specific.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
You're supposed to show her attraction, and not be forceful. Women laugh in the face of men.

Again, specify! Womanhood is not some homogenus gloop, we are individuals, treat us as such and you will find it helps.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Women laugh in the face of men.

Now I'm getting de ja vue!

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
They think it's pathetic that they're actually attracted to women. We're dogs right? Well, it's not like a woman would have a problem finding at least one male to pay attention to them.

Gosh we are feeling grumpy today aren't we? We're not laughing at you, we're laughing with you? Cheer up Chicken it is really not at bad as you think. Men can get just as much attention as women you know, this pendulum swings boths ways, we don't just entertain you out of pity, some of us ladies, surprisingly enough since we have as a species survived this long (please note that this statement is soaked in sarcasm), do actually like the fact that we have another gender to break up the monotony. But, to your point, a women can get attention from many males, doesn't mean it is welcome, or invited, and it certainly doesn't have any impact upon the more intimate attention that she may want from a specific person.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
You want to get to know her for her beauty correct? Even if it's personality it does show, physically at some point.

That creates attraction.

I don't understand. Sorry.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Edrick is right. It totally depends on the man. Don't you think that all women have already found their man? Because they get to meet hundreds of men in their lives, they have to at least find some one. If they don't, its because they can't see past the men who come up to them and play their vicious game.

Look, whatever...not attractive incidently...but by the by, it depends upon the man and the woman. Some men play games and so do some women. Not all, not everyone, and all of us muddle through and learn, hopefully, from experience to differentiate. Some people are just #ed up and you have to accept that they are never going to learn. My Mum was a prison officer in a woman's prison and after spending many years listening to the tales of the men in those women's lives coercing them into prostitution and other crimes, plus her own experiences, feels that most, if not all men, are bastards. I tend to disagree, but some most certainly are, but there are a fair few unpleasant women too. But not all...by no means.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
"Prove yourself to me, you're the only one that has to prove something".

Pardon?

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


you're asking which girl?

I dont mean to be rude but how much more obvious can it be? It's obviously the woman I'm trying to woo...

but can't because I'm a simple man, and she's already gone through hundreds of men, seen many, done many, expects me to be like the men on TV, expects me to have all the personality she may lack since well.. women don't have to have personalities to get by on life.

Men like women for simply being Woman, how many women can say that about men? They have laundry lists of likes/dislikes, and standards. Most even justify selfish and materialistic standards.

But I do hope I run into that woman who doesn't expect so much from me.

Your women are Voting for politicians that appeal to their Emotions.... Spending more of your Collective Money (that you don't have) on entitlement programs to make them FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES.

We all know that Women Want a Strong Provider....

So, I'm going to save you a little time, and Effort.



Take all of your women, and send them to China.

-Edrick

reply to post by The Quiet Storm


I'd like to add to this. Nothing other than sex is equivalent to a drug. Sex can be addictive. Sex is the ultimate drug. It is very much like a drug if practiced in a certain way, and unfortunately that way is the traditional sex practice in Western society.

It causes post-orgasm depletion, desensitization, and aggravated feelings as one's dopamine threshold is elevated. It can be erratic, disruptive, and chaotic.

Really, that's what fertilization driven sex does. Fertilization takes energy, for a reason. To make a child. It also primes us to move on to another partner. That's why most long term romantic relationships end in about 4 years.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
you're asking which girl?

Well, no, I was indicating that you didn't seem to be 'fixing' on one girl. And, I think those questions that aske for specification were directed at Edrick. You're all the more vague, so I was presumptious in thinking that you haven't actually got anyone specific in mind.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I dont mean to be rude but how much more obvious can it be? It's obviously the woman I'm trying to woo...

But I thought you said you didn't woo...and you also stated that you didn't want to show preference. You're contradicting yourself. So, I would say you would need to be at least a tad more obvious. I, apologise for my assumption though.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
but can't because I'm a simple man, and she's already gone through hundreds of men, seen many, done many, expects me to be like the men on TV, expects me to have all the personality she may lack since well.. women don't have to have personalities to get by on life.

Yawn!

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Men like women for simply being Woman, how many women can say that about men? They have laundry lists of likes/dislikes, and standards. Most even justify selfish and materialistic standards.

Look, simple, if you don't like those kind of women, don't chase them, don't go to the places where they flock. Doh! Why torture yourself, all that is going to do is make you bitter (if it hasn't already). Decide what you do want and go and get it. It really is that simple. There are plenty of women who like men, just because they aren't women, if you know what I mean. Archetypes cross genders. That is very, very important, remember that.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
But I do hope I run into that woman who doesn't expect so much from me.

That works both ways. Or it should. If you ask me (and, you know, no-one ever does. Fools!). She wants you to like her for who she is too, rough and the smooth. You're the one putting 'her' on a pedestal and expecting perfection, don't be surprised if she doesn't live up to those ideals, or to blame her when she 'fails'. Doesn't matter what gender you are, life is hard for all of us sometimes and we all have crosses to bear, you cannot expect someone to accept your foibles if you are not willing to return the favour.

Originally posted by Edrick
We all know that Women Want a Strong Provider....

And everyday, I look in the mirror and I give my strong provider a wink.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

And everyday, I look in the mirror and I give my strong provider a wink.

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And you are doing SUCH a good job at it Too.

-Edrick (/sarcasm)

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

 

And everyday, I look in the mirror and I give my strong provider a wink.

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And you are doing SUCH a good job at it Too.

-Edrick (/sarcasm)

Hahahahahahahah! My family debt is a good deal bigger than that, and either way, still paying me taxes on those national obligations too, so you can keep your smart arse remarks to yourself, 'cos they ain't impressing no-one.

Hahahahahahahah! My family debt is a good deal bigger than that, and either way, still paying me taxes on those national obligations too, so you can keep your smart arse remarks to yourself, 'cos they ain't impressing no-one.

You do realize that Pretending to speak for everyone is a sign of Self-Centered Solipsism, Right?

Oh, and By the way.... How do you think your Economy, Industry, and you know... Agriculture are going to do, when you can no longer afford to IMPORT OIL?

Have you Figured out the difference between "Earning Money" and "Creating Value" yet?

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
You do realize that Pretending to speak for everyone is a sign of Self-Centered Solipsism, Right?

Actually, forgive me, but I committed a double negative so I spoke for no-one However will I bear the shame?

Originally posted by Edrick
Oh, and By the way.... How do you think your Economy, Industry, and you know... Agriculture are going to do, when you can no longer afford to IMPORT OIL?

-Edrick

Who gives a #? Things! But probably, very badly, hehe!

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

Oh, and By the way.... How do you think your Economy, Industry, and you know... Agriculture are going to do, when you can no longer afford to IMPORT OIL?

-Edrick

Who gives a #?

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Wow.... I knew that you didn't understand Economics, or Reality, but I never expected you to come right out and *SAY IT*


Thanks for completely destroying your own credibility.

so I spoke for no-one

so you can keep your smart arse remarks to yourself, 'cos they ain't impressing no-one.

-Edrick (Good luck with your Economy, You're gonna need it with people like this at the helm)

Originally posted by Edrick
Have you Figured out the difference between "Earning Money" and "Creating Value" yet?

Yes. Have you? Or are you just all bitter and twisty?

Originally posted by Edrick
-Edrick

edit on 3-11-2010 by Edrick because: Have You?

What is with all this de ja vue?

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

ME:
Have you Figured out the difference between "Earning Money" and "Creating Value" yet?

YOU:
Yes. Have you? Or are you just all bitter and twisty?

ME:
Oh, and By the way.... How do you think your Economy, Industry, and you know... Agriculture are going to do, when you can no longer afford to IMPORT OIL?

-Edrick

YOU:
Who gives a #?

Wow, it's like shooting Fish in a Barrel.

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
Wow.... I knew that you didn't understand Economics, or Reality, but I never expected you to come right out and *SAY IT*

Honey, if you understood economics, you would understand why I ain't even bothering to trouble my pretty little head.

Originally posted by Edrick
Thanks for completely destroying your own credibility.

What credibility? I wasn't claiming any. Ever!

Originally posted by Edrick
-Edrick (Good luck with your Economy, You're gonna need it with people like this at the helm)

edit on 3-11-2010 by Edrick because: fixing code, because I'm smart enough to do so.

You keep telling yourself that, sweetcheeks!

Originally posted by Edrick
Wow, it's like shooting Fish in a Barrel.

Or banging your head up against a brick wall.