American Patriotism Terrifies me!!

The Nazis perfected patriotism, look where that got them.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


The US military is not - and I repeat not - going to attack Americans. This scenario is beyond ridiculous!

Blackwater? I have friends in Blackwater and a few other security contractors. Blackwater may have helicopters, but Blackwater doesn't have nearly the manpower to do squat. And any government that proposes to hire Blackwater against the citizens will have two problems. First, Blackwater has a lot of good Americans, mostly former military filling their ranks. The last I knew, Blackwater managers were good Americans, and they would never put money before American blood. Second, any government that would hire anyone to attempt such a thing would be short-lived. Period.

To be so paranoid about our military, or some contractor assaulting the American people - one needs to get to the nearest surgeon to remove the alien anal probe which is apparently shorting out and is now receiving as well as transmitting. Get outside and get some fresh air.

Even if rogue senior members of our government tried, numbers alone, numbers within their ranks, and numbers among the decision makers would negate such a scenario.

I know, it's good to think that the world is against you. This relieves one of any personal responsibility, as everything is hopeless and already decided.

That's pitiful.

Originally posted by dooper
The US military is not - and I repeat not - going to attack Americans. This scenario is beyond ridiculous!

Never say never.

reply to post by dooper


Clearly Blackwater does put money before American protection, as they are full of ex-soldiers poached from the regular US forces by the promise of fat pay cheques. They aren't there to help, they are there to make money. If they wanted to help, they would not have left the US military in the first place. They also wouldn't do such ridiculously messed-up things in Iraq that puts pressure on actual US forces.

They are not the good guys. They are mercenaries. If the pay is good enough, they'll do anything to anyone.

reply to post by Lucifer Rising


The fact that you are now bored creates anguish in me. I'm sorry that BS appeals to you, I'm sorry that you like to believe the scary stuff that isn't real, but that's you for it.

Mercenaries. Nothing wrong with mercenaries. Just trying to make a living.

Maybe you would prefer the posts that share recipes.

reply to post by dooper


Actually, I would prefer a post from one of you gun nuts that actually resembles patriotism. I have seen nothing of love for your country from you folks. All I hear is that you plan to stock up for when it all falls apart. That is how you love your country? Instead of engaging in it NOW and making it work properly and be a great place worth loving, your idea of patriotism is to buy guns cuz when it all goes down, you want to be ready to shoot at other Americans, or American government agents when they come to get you????????

Yeah, that is patriotic. When loved ones get sick, instead of getting them help, just buy the coffin and wait.

reply to post by Lucifer Rising


When my oldest son was three, he kept wanting to go into the muck near the saltmarsh. I told him time and again to stay out, that he would get stuck and filthy. I warned him time and again, but he had pretty much made up his mind that he was going in. So I watched carefully.

Not seeing me, he went in. He got stuck. He was frantic, and I let him work it for himself until it dawned on him that the decision he made was definitely a bad one.

Then I went in and got him.

You can't tell some folks a damned thing.

So I'll take care of me and mine first. You call it what you will.

You see, it's the dumbasses that make these irrational decisions that screw it up for the rest of us, simply because there are so many of them. So if things go tits up, and the stupid begin to get killed off - that's sad, but not necessarily bad.

There are predators and prey, and the prey take the weaker first of the herd available. It is good for the herd.

I just prefer to be a predator who is fully capable of facing down other predators.

All life is a race, a hide, or a fight.

Someone comes looking for a fight, I'd hate for them to go away disappointed.

reply to post by Thebudweiserstuntman


The majority of gun owners enjoy target shooting/ hunting. They do serve a purpose. Guns have saved my bacon too many times for me to dislike them. When I turned twenty one I got my concealed pistol license, and again a gun saved me from a crazed knife wielding carjacker without me having to fire a shot. Just be scared of the crazies, not the majority.

reply to post by dooper


You huddle up all scerred wit' yer guns and keep safe yours. I on the other hand will live in this society, take part in it, and do everything I can to keep it from getting to the point that I ever need my gun to ward off my country. You are already anticipating a fight, either with America itself, or other citizens of America. I am ready and trust me, I am not in the least bit worried about the protection of me and mine. The difference is, you are relying on your guns and bunker mentality to save you from what? When it comes, it will be far bigger than any guns you have or will have. When it comes, you will be screwed no matter what and your family will be so grateful to you for it. Mine on the other hand, will continue to live free in a great country because instead of hiding with our guns, we will make sure it stays a nice place to be for us AND YOU. You go ahead and hunker down, hand on heart, pledging allegiance to the flag, ready to shoot other Americans. I will do my best to make sure this country never gets that bad to begin with.

Call me naive all you want but there is a difference between having guns, being prepared, and realizing that it means nothing so it is not worth RELYING ON, but keeping as the LAST RESORT....and going into the much just cuz ya dont know no better.

So your boy was stupid, thanks for sharing. That has nothing to do with me because I guarantee I am as ready as you for anything coming.

As a patriotic American, I am doing my best FIRST to use non-gun related methods of keeping this country great. I guess you have just already decided it is going to crap no matter what, so why don't you move?

If to be a patriotic person, you must be armed and ready to shoot at the impending tyrranical government takeover.....go to another country and see if you can figure out how to be patriotic there, because you clearly missed the mark here.

reply to post by Raustin


Your gun has saved your butt plenty of times? You only give us one but that leads me to wonder what kind of life you lead. I have never once needed nor used my gun(s) for protection of any kinds. I also know many many many people with no guns that do not have lives riddled with instances where guns would sure have been handy. What are you doing with your lives that you people seem to need them to save your life so often?

reply to post by Lucifer Rising


No, you aren't as ready as me for anything. Your weakness is your mindset. You would hesitate. You would think. Right at that critical moment when instinctive action would be required. Right when certain speed of proficiency, backed by a predetermination of purpose would be required.

You may as you imply, own guns. How many hundreds of rounds per month do you shoot? I'm not asking for an answer here, merely to get you to think about it for a moment.

How many shoot-outs have you been in? Ever had to kill someone who was already shooting at you? How about night-fighting? How about against greatly superior numbers?

Nope. You aren't as prepared as me.

And no, I'm not going anywhere. Get used to it.

Neither are hundreds of thousands, just like me.

reply to post by dooper


Seriously, gonna stick with that argument?

You are patriotic because you are prepared to defend yourself against your country.

Ok, if that is the flag you want to wave, it is all yours pal.

p.s. yes, I do not have an imaginare ray gun that kills everything and protects me from everything as was discussed for pages, but neither do you.

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reply to post by Lucifer Rising


Oh! I recall you! On another thread. I don't know what you're talking about concerning this "ray" thing. If you're talking about the dual frequency scalar interferometer, yes, I do have that.

And if you had an ounce of scientific knowledge, you'd do your own research and not demonstrate your complete ignorance and lack of understanding just because you're lazy.

Your moral imperative is just simply a different perspective. Because no one thinks like you, we're all wrong. Unless you just came down from the mountain with your principles carved on stone tablets, don't assume too much there.

You remind me of a medic in our outfit. He was so convinced he was right. And he was! Right up till he got himself killed.

I wasn't about to load his body up and carry it to the bird. I have no pity for blind, willful stupidity.

I save my pity for those who are stupid, but don't know it.

reply to post by dooper


Oh cool, now you can tell us how you are patriotic because you have in your posession, a weapon that can both defeat anything and protect from anything.

Please go on, the floor is all yours. I am so stupid sometimes and have no scientific knowledge of such things, nor do I understand how it does anything BUT contradcit patriotism.

So, please, explain.

I wasn't about to load his body up and carry it to the bird. I have no pity for blind, willful stupidity.

While you are at it, can you explain how a patriot says that about the body of a fellow soldier?

Please expain the patriotism there.

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reply to post by MemoryShock


If anyone thinks that I am turning this into a personal sniping contest, they could not be more wrong. I am addressing points made by many but only argued at the moment by one. This idea that amassing weapons is equal to or greater than honest love for your country to equal patriotism. It has been promoted this thread over and now it even supercedes respect for fellow American soldiers.

I need to understand what is patriotic about any of that and I could care less who answers.

reply to post by Lucifer Rising


Please take the above post as a reminder. I know that this topic can get quite heated and it is not an intention to carry this into a heated 'what is on topic' rhetorical battle.

reply to post by MemoryShock


I gotcha. So, any of the people on here that felt that gun ownership is the only thing that patriotism needs can explain to me how it is more patriotic to arm yourself for the coming war with your own country rather than take part in shaping it now.


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