Zeitgeist Addendum Released

reply to post by Saidar


Sure. If you really want me to, I will give you all sorts of death and murder the Bible way. I am tired so it's sleepy time now. I will edit this post later with exact passages of the Bible showing you that the Bible does in fact encourage one to kill.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

Sure. If you really want me to, I will give you all sorts of death and murder the Bible way. I am tired so it's sleepy time now. I will edit this post later with exact passages of the Bible showing you that the Bible does in fact encourage one to kill.

I would really love to discuss it, thanks for your time

Quoted from www.evilbible.com... ....

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.



The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

Hope that helps

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reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Just to get you started, I'll throw a few out there.


If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
-- Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5



If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


¶ And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Exodus 21:15


there are literally dozens and dozens of examples, but I'll let you carry on from here.

reply to post by Silenteye

Did you know, first bible was written by judaisms. And from judaism left group what splitted two, islamic and christianity and from christianity splitted out one group too what was evangelic. So christians, evangelics, islamics are originally judaisms. Now today you keeping your hands bible version from 0.001 to version 2.00 or was it 2.01 or 2.02 version. I don't remember too much editions to in bible at in history, because someone said, this version is retarded, let's make better version, but all versions don't have really no sense, so they have failed their job. Only thing how they did get people in to religion was make FEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRR.........................

The Bible consists of the New and Old Testament. The one can't be understood without the other. Judaism does NOT use the Bible, they have their own texts: Tanakh Talmud Midrash Tosefta
Rabbinic literature Kuzari Mishneh Torah
Tur Shulchan Aruch Mishnah Berurah
Ḥumash Siddur Piyutim Zohar
Same with the Muslims
The history in the Bible, and all of the other religious books are the same because the history of the world is the same!

The versions of the Bible you are talking about, is not different Bibles, it's exactly the same message and intellectual content, only the language is changed so that people from different nations and eras can better understand the content. What bull crap are you spilling up there about Bibles being retarded and making new ones?

Originally posted by blahdiblah

Originally posted by Amaterasu

www.frontsoft.com...

Great read i recommend giving Wade Frazier's site www.ahealedplanet.net... a peruse.

Thanks so much for the link to this site. I look forward to reading Frazier's work!

And thank you for reading my story. [smile]

reply to post by Saidar


Judaism did have first bible first time and they prayed Jesus Christ, but then groups splitted out judaism so christianity example stole judaism bible ideas so judaism doed new bible because singular story is singular story and war of stories was at what more singular, that more singular. Christianity of course did change story to what they wanted, throwed out some ready written texts out too and editet texts to look more effective. (Watch Penn and teller when they tell about those things)

Islam and Christianity and Evangelic actually move like hand to hand.

Watch from google, pope kisses koran. Actually Evangelics usually goes through Christian school because both is catholic. So those 3 is connected.

But all those 3 actually originally is judaisms.

Originally posted by undo

agreed. there are gems, but the fact the gems are interspersed between moments of aggregious translations of ancient documents, proves to me one thing: they have an agenda, and that agenda looks just like communism. i will say it again, i will not be a drone. they will not tell me what books to read, what to teach my children, what to eat, how to act, or where to do whatever it is i'm going to do, at least, not if i have any say over it. freedom is a double edged sword, because although you may enjoy your particular brand of it, you must also agree to let others have theirs. and since that's NOT what zeitgeist is promoting, to me, it's just communist propaganda -- everyone's a drone for the state and can't even think their own flippin' thoughts

I agree. There are some gems. It really exposes to what extent seifishness and greed can go within the corporate world. And the bank reserve info is excellent. But i also wonder what is the agenda behind the presentation. Is it commuunism? What? Who are these people? What is their agenda?

reply to post by Saidar


The Bible just presents allegorical and metaphorical stories of existence. Existence does not matter, we can never know a meaning as a result of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics...just google those two topics, I promise you will find no end in links about those two incredible theories. If light functions as both wave or particle depending on which instrument we are using then we have to assume that most of what we see in the Scenario Universe cannot be fully comprehended from our own vantage point or our own singular nervous systems. You can only be infallible about your own nervous system, for you a belief system in a God or somthing as such maybe needed due to you having not yet tuned into the reasons why that belief does not need be required in order to seek understanding and value life in general.

Your reality tunnel as Heideggar would call it gives you a radio tuning and signal that makes sense to you at this moment in time, in the future you may question this version of reality as most of us here have already and found the explanation lacking. Buckminster Fuller stated that "reality consists of nonsimultaneously apprehended events" ,and I agree with his explanation of what we are all going through, these video of Zeitgeist are trying to free people that have become semantically trapped in meaningless gestures and arguments over Aristotelian Logic...just google these terms if this seems obscure and strange to comprehend. We are all just trying to help one another, if you try to decieve others you will eventually suffer from that persons ignorance as well, it may come back in an even more virulent strain than you had imagined.

Ideas can be considered to be like memes as a few others have written books on the subject extensively, again you can look that up. In short a meme can be likened to a virus of the mind in which your mind cannot seperate reality from whatever Ideas you take as given or as unquestionable. Religion starts from this kind of a premise, that maybe, to question the Idea of a God cannot exist, God must have some meaning, but that just seems again meaningless to me. Just to use one example if a higher being exists why would that being require unconditional servitude? That doesn't sound like someone capable of controlling you if they demand that you must serve such a being, then they must by definition not be able to compel you through superpowers, that does not appear to me to make much sense, for if they had such powers then he wouldn't write a book for you and tell you that you have a choice, he would just design that out of the model.

So I tend to think there maybe something approaching an afterlife and some kind of super connectedness, cause I have died once for minutes and come back to life and experienced something beautiful, but did I meet a God with a white beard telling me how I was not a true christian or whatever, no. So I don't and can't follow something that I have experienced a moment of contradiction. But that would not mean that I don't care about you and can learn from your experience of love, etc. But when people that pick up guns or bombs go around killing each other for their beliefs, I think that has to be when religion gets put into the world of metaphor, meme, allegory and not literalism, nor more orthodox absolutism, and the same could be said for science and government. Psychiatry and religion have been used many times over by well meaning do gooders to shove agendas down people's throats and to murder people by the millions, I consider Psych as a wing of religion, despite the fact that some understanding of reality can be gleaned from Psych I don't think it justifies abuse and torture of people for using drugs or behaving in a non-threatening non-violent manner. Too often the drugs are used to abuse the people getting the treatment, especially the children. If drugs that are so-called illegal can be used to abuse others then the same goes for legal drugs as well, no distinction should be made. Can some people be made to feel less pain and suffering through compunds? Yes, and all compounds should be used including marijuana to relieve suffering and to enhance happiness, why would anyone be against enhancing happiness, the most common reason for opposition to drugs comes from values and religion, in other words we are made to suffer for the fools that think they know best for us, sad world we have here.

Here's a video I encourage you to watch...

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Originally posted by Saidar
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Sure it does. It says it is right and all others are wrong. Over half (closer to virtually all) the wars fought have been over religion, with the Bible particularly used to justify taking out the "heathen."

Dude, did you ever read the Bible? Those were was definitely not justified by the Bible. In fact the Bible teaches to love you enemies and never to kill. What you just said is not what the Bible teaches.

In your interpretation. Yes, I have read it - in several versions. And depending on what chapter and verse one pulls out, one can justify most any behavior. The fact that wars WERE justified with the Bible (by pulling specific things out of it) tells me that it is all a matter of what one WANTS it to say. In fact, some justify things with the Bible that others, using the Bible, deny.

So... What you say is true from what you pulled out of the Bible, but, for example, in Leviticus, I could pull something out that would justify selling my daughter into slavery. There are other places where God himself has killed people and calls for killing people.

Does that explain the Crusades? The Inquisition? The witch hunts? The torturing of scientists (or other coercion) to recant ideas like the earth goes around the sun? Seems the Bible is open to interpretation for justifying stagnation, poverty, primitiveness, lack of creativity, war, hate (Oh, God Hates Fags! ), and slavery...

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

What happened in the medieval ages was totally AGAINST the Bible! In fact the Bible commands us to give our earnings and hard work to the poor and everyone around us! Dude, please don't insult the Bible if you haven't read it yet. I really think you are a smart person but don't think you read the whole Bible yet.

Sure, it was against what you have pulled out here. But I can assure you that the Bible WAS used to justify the list I gave. Just different parts.

It's all about following one's bliss.

I know what you are talking about in fact I'm also following my path of self satisfaction right now, by studying one of the most difficult professions in my country, and not expecting good payment. I do it fort the love of it.
But you see, not everyone's bliss is towards a better civilization. Let's take a look at the American youth. Most of the teenagers in USA got everything they need to survive and lots and lots more. Why don't they take the opportunity to do what they want to one day?

Because a true education is not available - one that allows them to pursue as interests them, the opportunity to find their bliss is lacking therefore, and what IS available often is NOT what's needed to follow thier bliss. It's not tools but simply material creppola.

They have every opportunity, huge universities, homeschooling available, all the money in the world etc, but most of the teenagers choose to drink themselves to death, humping each other like bunnies in spring and only to party all the time.

LOL! You are a spawn of the media, my friend. MOST teenagers are living in or near poverty. They choose to drink because they have no means to follow their bliss. (Humping, in case you are unaware, is a natural function, a biological imperative, so let's leave THAT out, eh? It happens worldwide.) And "party all the time???" Oh, no, my friend. That is what the few rich brats get to do. Despite what the stereotypical American Kid on the tube looks like, MOST kids are seeking solution to the many problems they are surrounded with. Some struggle to find work. Some resort to drugs (including alcohol). Some commit suicide. But virtually ALL have no opportunity to pursue their bliss.

Don't you think that's going to happen when everyone starts to notice they don't have to work anymore to make a living?

Nope. I don't. I think that when the obstacles to one's bliss are removed, one will be moved to follow one's bliss. I know people who cannot afford their bliss. I know people who cannot access their bliss. I know people who are too busy making money to have time for their bliss.

And frankly... If one's bliss is to get drunk, have sex, and party all the time... If one is not needed in the slave labor pool and all the requirements to do that are handy... Who is anyone else to judge?

Labour is what keeps our humanity alive.

Only because slave labor is needed. If all such labor can be handed to a robot, bliss is what will keep us alive. AND we won't see suppression of technology because no profit will threatened. (Oh, I cannot tell you how much tech has been suppressed!)

If you only feel rewarded from getting paid, I feel very sorry for you. When people follow their bliss, the following is all the reward they need. Many get more reward from a "thank you" than from a paycheck.

You don't have to feel sorry for me, I'm not like that

Well then. What else do you take reward from? What if you could take reward all the time from that else? What if you knew that you would be fed, clothed, housed comfortably, cleanly and fully, while you were taking that reward?

Would you deny yourself that reward because there was no money in it?

I recommend you look into the study of Complexity and Chaos Theory. LIFE is a biological mechanical device, and though the individual cells die, life ever progresses towards greater complexity, a higher order.

Oh yes dude, one of my math modules right now is chaos mathematics, really a b*tch. But you see, one cell, yes ONE CELL in a human body is more complex than anything that has ever been created by humans. Our human bodies have billions of cells working together. Achieving that kind of engineering, is in fact, right out impossible or going to take hundreds of years of research.

And here I disagree. Biomimicry is a fast-growing segment of technology, and just as other areas in tech, the curve is on an exponential move towards infinity in 2012.

Take a moment and imagine what infinite tech might mean... What would the limits of tech be?

And I'm not ignorant or something right now, that's the truth. And another thing, humans are not getting better. We are fading away.

Do please point to the data you base THIS on. I disagree again. We are struggling to become a bright fruition of our potential against a dark and evil agenda that would nip the bud, killing 6+ billion of us, ruining the earth for some unknown length of time while hiding underground, to emerge with a handful of their chipped and mind-controlled human robot slaves to reseed the earth with the seeds in the seed vault - ruling as Gods.

Another thousand years of breeding is going to increase genetic diseases, dna malfunctions etc.

Again, please cite your data...

We are not getting "better", that is outright a lie told my humanistic believes, and any biochemist that studies genes and dna can tell you that. Genetic diseases, malfunctions, etc is on the rise.

Ah... (Do give me some data here, as well...) Is it perhaps because of the evil agenda poisoning our environment? Genmod "food," Round-Up pesticide and other chemicals, oil spills, dioxin-spewing, petro-oil products burned in the atmosphere, and on and on?

I say we are doing well DESPITE the efforts to take us out and under control.

Thanks for the conversation I love to talk about this stuf

Most welcome. I, too, enjoy a formidable opponent. [smile]

Originally posted by Matrix1111
But i also wonder what is the agenda behind the presentation. Is it commuunism? What? Who are these people? What is their agenda?

Seeing how both his movies are free of charge, downloadable and shareable I don't think there really is an Agenda to all this but to simply raise public awareness.

Some people here seem to argue that it's a promotion for the Venus project and some say that it borders on communism. But the way I understood the film, the author is really only trying to show the viewer that other, quite possibly better, systems are possible. The man quite clearly states, we can never achieve perfection.

On the other hand, it does finish off with the thezeitgeistmovement.com ad, so let's wait till 10/10 and all should become clearer.

Have a nice day.

reply to post by Kryties


Let me get something straight here. The New Testament changed everything! What happened in the past happened in the past. But I do have some answers to why those brutal acts happened, at least they are my answers and how I perceive things.

t always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

God is God. He is a God. He created the entire universe according to the Bible. That means He can do what ever the hell He wants to do! And you shall always see that the things He does, he has good reasons to do.
This is a paragrap that I took from someone who also answered this question, I totally agree with him:

Not having faith in the Lord Without divine guidance, how was he going to lead Israel and defend her borders? In 1 Chronicles we learn that Satan placed in David's heart the desire to take a census of all his people. His chief commander, Joab, was a bit distressed at David's request, for had not God always helped his chosen people regardless of their numbers? (See 1 Chr. 21:1-3.) Had not Jehovah trimmed Gideon's troops from 32,000 to 300 to prove that it was the Lord's power and not sheer numbers which was responsible for the victory over the Midianites? (See Judg. 7.) Had not David the shepherd boy been a majority of one in single-handedly defeating the Goliath-led Philistines? Little wonder that Joab questioned his king's sudden striving to find safety in numbers.

Obviously God showed over and over and over and over again that the people should rely on Him, instead David did the opposite and God needed to get the people back on track. At the end God showed mercy and did not do what he said he was going to do, destroy Jerusalem.

God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3)

Israel was surrounded by hostile neighbours who wanted to wipe them from the face of the earth. This was the race God made a covenant with to send his messiah from. He took great concern in making sure this race wasn't eradicated by the enemies or their offspring.

Well enough said. See the people of those nations worshiped a false god in those days according to the Bible. God had every right to wipe them out. If he hadn't done that His plan to send His Son to earth would have failed.

In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!

Don't know where you got that info but it is simply not true, go read the passage yourself! The whole story was NOT ordered by God. It's only history put into the Bible! And nowhere does it say the girls were raped??? And by the way how do you know that in that time something like "girl snatching" was not normal? Maybe it was something that happened every day?


Most of the passages in the Bible that recreates acts of violence is not commanded by God! It's the people doing the killing not God!
Tell me how many innocent children and woman was killed by the USA in the past century? Millions. Acts of man is not God's fault.

I can only ask you this, if you wish to find for yourself the answers to why God did things, go read the books in the Bible yourself, not the verses the entire context!

Can't wait for the explosion of insults and "you are retarded" comments to my side right now

reply to post by Saidar


Errr, I simply copied and pasted somebody else's work in response to a previous post. It does not necessarily reflect my opinion.

FYI my father-in-law is a world famous Christian music composer and I have had many an in-depth discussion about religion with him. Even he has his doubts these days. In fact he has left the church altogether after a series of disgraceful mistreatments of him.

Can't wait for the explosion of insults and "you are retarded" comments to my side right now

I am not that petty mate.

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reply to post by Amaterasu

In your interpretation. Yes, I have read it - in several versions. And depending on what chapter and verse one pulls out, one can justify most any behavior. The fact that wars WERE justified with the Bible (by pulling specific things out of it) tells me that it is all a matter of what one WANTS it to say. In fact, some justify things with the Bible that others, using the Bible, deny.

In fact that's the problem with the Bible. But it's not the Bible's fault is it? It's the people reading it's fault. To understand the Bible you must STUDY it not scan through it.

Because a true education is not available - one that allows them to pursue as interests them, the opportunity to find their bliss is lacking therefore, and what IS available often is NOT what's needed to follow thier bliss. It's not tools but simply material creppola.

True. But how do you invent an educational system that no kid on earth finds boring? Think it's possible?

LOL! You are a spawn of the media, my friend. MOST teenagers are living in or near poverty. They choose to drink because they have no means to follow their bliss. (Humping, in case you are unaware, is a natural function, a biological imperative, so let's leave THAT out, eh? It happens worldwide.) And "party all the time???" Oh, no, my friend. That is what the few rich brats get to do. Despite what the stereotypical American Kid on the tube looks like, MOST kids are seeking solution to the many problems they are surrounded with. Some struggle to find work. Some resort to drugs (including alcohol). Some commit suicide. But virtually ALL have no opportunity to pursue their bliss.

Glad I made you laugh. I don't watch TV so don't think I am. I've been to New York and it amazed me how rich Americans are. If you want to see people trying to make a living come to Africa, that is people not having the chance to follow their own bliss. People living on less than a dollar a day. In my opinion and what I've seen a large amount of America's population is middle class. And middle class in the US is rich when you compare it to the rest of the world.
By the way, I would like you to defend the idea, in South Africa people perceive the average American to be really stupid and uninformed. Is this true? Is the media making people stupid over there?

And frankly... If one's bliss is to get drunk, have sex, and party all the time... If one is not needed in the slave labor pool and all the requirements to do that are handy... Who is anyone else to judge?

My problem exactly, that is in fact most people's bliss! To do exactly that. I don't think that's very constructive when it comes to society.

Only because slave labor is needed. If all such labor can be handed to a robot, bliss is what will keep us alive. AND we won't see suppression of technology because no profit will threatened. (Oh, I cannot tell you how much tech has been suppressed!)

Wonder how lazy humanity will be after 200 years of robots doing everything.

Like I said watch WallE a good example, very funny movie indeed

Well then. What else do you take reward from? What if you could take reward all the time from that else? What if you knew that you would be fed, clothed, housed comfortably, cleanly and fully, while you were taking that reward?

I believe that your hard work should equal what you get out of live? Of course capitalism won't allow that. That is not enslavement it's about not being lazy



About the "we are not getting better", my lecturer in biochemistry told me that about two years ago, I'll look up on his papers that he researched.

No offense guys but i think its detrimental to everyone to drag this thread into religious arguments. Usually i ignore this sort of stuff but i'd like to steer this thread onto more important arguments like exploring the falsity of the fractional reserve banking system since banks dont put up any property when they enter into a loan contract. I find that interesting from a legal aspect. Then there is the whole resource based economy thing which i find very interesting i would like to know if anyone has any more info from other sites about this stuff.

I tend to think the whole religious argument thing has been done to death on the board for that sort of thing and on all the first zeitgeist threads. The second installment didn't go into the religious argument as much as its first adaption. What was said is that religion, is irrelevant and obselete it is holding us back, if it is to have any value it should drop its traditional ties and move into the realm of philosophy. I think this is a sign, if you don't believe in it let it go, if you do become more useful or stop holding us back.

I don't believe in religion but i don't see the point in arguing about it. I tend to think that those who are arguing about it in this thread either missed the point of what little of religion was covered in the film or they are trolls or disinfo agents. All that ends up coming out of it is a quagmire of an argument that dwarfs all the actually important topics. So go to the board where religious argument belongs, you can waste your time their and not others. The movie talked about transcending politics because its a waste of time i believe the same applies to religion.

reply to post by blahdiblah


My apologies. I won't talk about religion anymore.

Just got a little upset because it was such a good film, really believed it all and then the part came where I should drop my personal beliefs to make this happen? I just tried to make a point that it's people misusing religion not religion itself that starts wars etc.

This whole movement can't happen without me forsaking God and my faith? (it doesn't affect anyone don't understand why I should stop believing in God)

Like I said really would like to join the movement but can't get past the "must drop my faith to be part of it" theme.

And again I apologize for starting the religion talk

With all the safe and alternative villages setting up all over the place, this movement is happening no matter what people hold true as faith. In the future people may need to see visible alternatives to their current nightmare. Holding up the light will do a lot. Spirituality and organized, enshrined, and even connected to government as some countries currently do is not going to be the norm for the alternative society in the future. There can be no unity or world peace until we grow up and get over that hurdle immediately. But this isn't fascism either so people will naturally have their own religious believes to some extent. Their offsprings will be a lot more tolerant however.
Concerning the Venus Project and the big price tag to join their community in this world. How on earth would it be possible in this world where everything, and every patent and technology comes at such a high price tag, to accomplish the formation of an alternative that can shine its light without money. Thats the criticism I keep reading. Yes, its valid, but you see, thats the whole darn point in a nutshell. The prohibitive cost is actually factored in to this monetary system and you're supposed to see that.

Very interesting that this movie propagates the EXACT system that the Federation Of Light says will be brought about on earth soon to allow mankind to be able to grow into the veritable Gods that they were created to become -with a few minor variances that will soon vanish once first awareness is raised, & acceptance rolls like in a dominoes show. Both systems talk about taking the religious factors out. The credit & money factors, etc. I've been studying Maitreya, the Federation of Light, & varying religions' "End Times" End Game to warn people what was coming, & was waiting for when they'd start propagating this system. This movie does just that in The Venus Project. The definition of a terrorist has widened considerably in recent years. That was the 1st step to a new system.

Interestingly enough, I never truly believed in God until I started researching the connection between the Bible, Maitreya, Federation Of Light, what the 1st official appearance of a UFO means, the current economic conditioning, the birth of terrorism, the Venus Project, etc.

I'm fully convinced this system is coming & there's nothing we can do about it --at least that's what we're made to think. I'm fully convinced the Federation of Light & a few other entities were brought about to discredit God while at the same time boost the importance of this system. Al Qaeda, Federation of Light & its "Ascended Masters" were birthed to further control the populations, while at the same time blaming religion in doing just what they're about to do --organize, control & extinguish through false education, with a few truths carefully placed within a framework. Manipulation is done best the more the truth can be told amid a few, well placed lies. No one will research beyond the initial layer, or 2, & if they do, & when they find an inconsistency, they'll think it's truth because everything seems to match up. "I must be wrong in my research.' The new truth is then accepted in their minds framework. When more & more is accepted controlling becomes easier and easier.

Everything is a magic act --hard to explain the whole show taken at once. But solve each trick one to one and the real truth springs forth --that the magician is nothing more but a liar and deceiver. But, when the magician has mirrors, smoke screens, handkerchiefs and what all, it's hard to see the truth. Enter: The people who WANT to be deceived --the audience who paid good money and the show gets that much more difficult to solve.

Al Qaeda has served its purpose and that's why the FOL is now coming about. The next attack we will retaliate by attacking Iran. There are a couple more roadblocks to remove before the new system can be implemented. But fear not, when all seems lost, and the world in EVERY way, shape and form is at its lowest in all recorded time, a new group, or "person," will come from out of the shadows (space) & cure everything from Cancer to the economies of the world (which will be blended into one to prevent total collapse in future).

Thank "God" they've conditioned us to believe in beings from other planets more so than God --man are we lucky, lol! Because everyone knows God won't save us--why we can't even see him (so how can He save us??) and everyone knows humans MUST believe in something they can see.

Thankfully someone will soon come along & save us rather we save ourselves --I mean that would be SO MUCH work.

This film was made for 1 reason --to get you used to the MAJOR changes coming your way, & in the beginning all of them will work & look like they're wonderful. People will wonder, why didn't we do this before?

Pretty soon the people who believe in God, Allah, etc. will be seen as the ones who are disrupting harmony & peace on earth & there's gonna be a holocaust that is gonna make Hitler's look like a friggin' carnival game.

They have a few things right tho, like most brilliant lies do, & that's money is the root of all evil.

Yes, and a resource economic system is what the author of Alien Minds in his thread proposed, a more alien like economy. Not to mention, if you have read Miriam Bluestar's book and watched her videos on Project Camelot, (I'm reading her book now, and its critical for me to do so, as this is my focus as well) then you would understand why natives have always had such a system, without money, environmentally fluent, with strong community support and equality. Our visitors took them through the cataclysms that ended the supposedly more corrupt third era of life on earth (which involved lemuria and atlantis and us being too immature to handle the alien knowlege which was like magic) which could also be comparative to the book of enoch, which seems allegorical to the same thing to me.
The natives were brought into safety and survived. They have the basic blueprint for the kind of lifestyle we need. They are the Keepers of the Knowledge. Hopi women traditionally wear their hair like princess leia in Star Wars, and they keep the prophecy of the end times and the new era emerging, with star visitors.
We also need to be the keepers of the knowledge. A reset button sends us back to the dark ages, and women dying in childbirth all over again. What is being proposed is very similar to the native, moneyless, environmentally fluent, resource society of complete equality, but with clean technology. So we move ahead into the cosmos one day. This is what I see most definitely. And I see our visitors behind it, though am concerned not every group is on our side. Perhaps one group wants to keep us dumbed down and reset for their biological agendas in the garden, but perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps only the renegades are like that and all federations are unified behind this needed upgrade.