Palin owes the American people an apology!

reply to post by skyshow

....she rubs salt in the bleeding wound while masochistic republicans cheer her on.

Politics is a "contact" sport for people with thick skin.
This shows that Hillary should've been the nominee, not the whimpy Obama. Hillary is much tougher than Obama, and defend Democratic principles better than that whimp.

When is Obama going into ATTACK mode? We hand this guy the nomination. Hillary & Bill spend the entire convention helping this clown calm us Hillary supporters down and what is he doing with the nomination? NOTHING, he's a WHIMP. The question at this point is HOW is Obama going to attack this ticket? He has LESS experience than BOTH McCain and Palin, so he can't go there. He better hit hard on the past 8 years and present a picture so gloomy that people will vote against McCain out of fear. You need balls to do this and I don't think Obama has the fight in him.

Source: sfgate.com blog

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I'm not at all threatened by successful women - in fact, I admire them, but your definition of successful and my definition of successful seem to be entirely different. I don't think Palin is successful at all, in fact, I think she was merely in the right place at the right time and McCain reached out and grabbed her to reap what he hopes will be the benefit of votes which may have possibly went to Hilary.

As a former librarian, the fact the Palin seriously tried to ban books she deemed inappropriate from the Wasilla Public Library makes me absolutely livid. There's no way I want to cast my vote in the direction of an elected official who believes it's perfectly within their power to do such things. Do you not see the danger of an elected official even considering it?

I am completely in favor of the NRA.

I am pro-choice. Because I am a former rape victim, I can tell you quite honestly that had I became pregant due to the rape, I would have had an abortion. I want that to remain my choice - I want that to be a choice for ALL women.

Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Bunch

 

Yes to say nothing about the folks who have fallen through the cracks and been shoved back to the back of line, and not just in South Chicago, but in major cities and all over the country everywhere!

It wasn't just a chance thing, I heard her say it at least twice in the speech. I tell you my jaw dropped, and my stomach got real sour. That was horribly insensitive, mean, and completely uncalled for. Definitely not Presidential or VP or whatever...you can't say things like that and be in charge of our Diverse nation. Such an insult, even if not intended, it was disgusting and very distasteful. To me it was arrogant and rubbes salt in the bleeding wound. Building communities is one of the most needed endeavor's in this nation, and she is so in over her head and out to lunch. She has no idea what the hell she is doing and that speech totally proves it. Any other politician worth their salt would have seen that stupid Rovian comment inserted in the script ahead of time and said "uh uh, no way" but not her, she obviously felt it was just fine because she has no clue about the real world or any of these communities in distress and need.

I'm still sick with the memories of that god awful speech.

I see your problem, and it is blatantly obvious. You support the opposition, and it matters little of what Sarah Palin speaks, for you will always find an issue with her no matter what.

I also find it very narrow minded to suggest and propagate the idea that only people living in urban environments struggle. Small town Alaskan living is FAR more of a struggle than any of us have to put up with in the Lower 48. Sarah Palin grew up with a far tougher life than Obama could ever even begin to portray for himself. You are speaking about a guy who acts like he struggled simply because he had a single mom, yet he somehow "miraculously" made it through Private Academy after Academy. He also managed to pick up and move multiple times as a child, halfway around the world at that, and simultaneously live in two separate locations. He also managed an Ivy League education, then Harvard Law School. Now he somehow has the ability to afford a Multi-Million Dollar Mansion, a Boeing 757, and lavish Parties. He even gave the 757 an entirely new paint job, along with a complete overhaul. Brand new, his plane costs well over $65 Million. He supposedly acquired it for $52 Million, then decided he would "splurge" for the overhaul which cost at a bare minimum $500,000. Yes, Obama has struggled throughout his entire life, and Alaska has Palm Trees.

As for the "community organizer" comment, Sarah Palin was hammering away at Obama's only job description. Seriously, do you not think Obama brought it upon himself for his jab at Palin having "only" been Mayor of a Small Town? Not only did he yet again insult Small Town America, he also purposely overlooked the fact that she is currently the Governor of a State. Either way you look at it, that was extremely disrespectful of Obama, and if you wish for Palin to Apologize, then demand for Obama to apologize at his trying to label her some backwoods idiot.

BTW, I happen to live in a VERY liberal, urban area. This morning I was listening to one of the local Radio Talk Shows, which happens to have three guys as the commentators. One of these gentlemen used to be a Congressman in Iowa, and all three of them are very insightful, and they pack quite a bit of logic and common sense. The first caller, and afterwards about a half-a-dozen more, were Black Americans, and strong Obama supporters. However, EVERY single one of them said "Wow", and even though they were most likely to still cast their votes for the Obama/Biden ticket, they all stated not only were they completely and enormously impressed with Sarah Palin, but they also believe her to be an extremely talented individual. One of these same callers stated that Sarah Palin made Hillary Clinton appear as though she were nothing but an amateur, and that Palin was a far better, less harsh sounding woman who truly has it together. Another caller within this grouping even exclaimed "MAN, I can't wait for the debates, after hearing Sarah Palin, this is going to be an ALL out war". This hardcore Obama supporter, who had called-in in the past touting his support for his candidate, was actually positively excited by Sarah Palin.

So I have no idea, maybe it is just me, but with defiant Obama/Biden supporters even complimenting and extolling Sarah Palin, you must be somewhat of a closed-minded extremist to label her speech as "God Awful".

I get the impressiontaht many of you have never heard a hockey mom talk before. You can "talk smack" without crossing some very important lines. I have two neighbors who are hockey moms. It's easy to mistake their jabs for something more than what they are. If I had to bet money, I'd say that Biden is not going to know what hit him.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by Justin_Case]

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Justin, with all respect,

Joe Biden will clean her clock. Sarah Palin's first appearance before the voting public was at the convention. For the uninitiated it was a great speech. Otherwise it was a C+ performance of a speech that was 25% Sarah Palin and 75% speechwriters. Joe has already responded and kept the real strategy on the downlow. This morning he praised her and said she would be a tough opponent. Smokescreen.

She will not be meeting with the press anytime soon so the handlers can give her the debate/policy/job description 101 for the next few days, if not weeks. How can she give Biden a run for his money against his experience in the Senate? Hockey mom or not, Senator Biden gots the street smarts. Expect an upset in the debates.

BTW - Thanks for the show and sorry you couldn't get the access to the candidates.

Originally posted by euclid
Community builders?

The reason the republicans call you "types" pinko commies is because you are. Socialism is communism in form and function but exists within a democratic framework..... socialism is a transitory state from democracy to communism. Therefore socialism/progressive/liberal = communism = tyranny.

I'm Constitution Party and we can't stand you pinkos any more than the republicans.

Why don't you, and all the other commies, go live in China and get a nice dose of communism and see how well you like the government controlling every aspect of your life.

-Euclid

Actually, China is more of an autocratic fascist state with a capitalist economy than it is communistic, or even socialistic these days.

However, as a destination for people who could use a fresh look at the relatively open political structure in the United States, it is a good destination.

After this experience, and their subsequent return to the U.S., they might be relieved enough to be home to put up with the usual quadrennial nonsense that occurs just before elections with a little more patience.

Is there any actual society these days living by Marxist principles? Just curious...I have no desire to experience it, in whole or in part.

reply to post by MemoryShock



Good point.

Palin owes no one an apology for merely repeating a mild dig at Obama for putting down a position as Community Organizer as a qualification for POTUS, and then trashing her for being merely a mayor of a small town.

It was done nicely tongue in cheek, and those without hair trigger tempers found it delightful, me among them.

However, I will state that Palin is a politician, and hence suspect.

But then, so is the lawyer/politician Obama.

Joe Biden will clean her clock. Sarah Palin's first appearance before the voting public was at the convention. For the uninitiated it was a great speech. Otherwise it was a C+ performance of a speech that was 25% Sarah Palin and 75% speechwriters.

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Hi MJ, Thanks for your post! You sound like a democrat that doesn't understand our governor very well!

Pitbull with lipstick describes her pretty well. Good luck Senator Biden!

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Sorry, understanding her is not the point. She's in training for the next week at least, if not until debate time. If Sarah is ready then bring it on. We won't see that happen. Press conferences will not happen. Sarah Palin is being protected because she was not ready. If she was her calendar would be filled. Me a Democrat? No. I call it like I see it . Not trying to offend.

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Joe Biden immeadiately admitted that, he wasn't even going to try to confront Palin because she would WIN

That was his own words, he said I'm going to simply state what we want to do and hopefully people will listen because i can't win a debate with her.

So lol... you obviously have more confidence in Him than he has in himself

If you ever have fought with a woman, you would know that ...your never going to win anyway, not against a seriously smart secure woman.

She is Barackonite, super instigator can't take this lady, let alone Biden

The party went berzerk raising 10 Million because they know what was in the bag no longer was definitely thiers anymore

This is honestly why so many of us men fear powerful women and try to keep them down, she has that way, she will hit him and those listening and 2 days later... he will be on the toilet and fall right off it because he will realize how bad he got zinged

She can make him feel small, insecure and only a woman can do that.

They very well might win because of her

I posted a comment similar to this thread on why the GOPers aren't able to pick up minority votes and idiots turned it into Obama's lack of "Executive Expeience" debate. Anything you say goes in 1 ear out the other, doesn't seem to resonate to them. So I just stopped. Just wanted people to know that your getting into an argument with door knobs.

Sorry for the emoticons. But not really

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Multiple Junkie

 

Joe Biden immeadiately admitted that, he wasn't even going to try to confront Palin because she would WIN

That was his own words, he said I'm going to simply state what we want to do and hopefully people will listen because i can't win a debate with her.

So lol... you obviously have more confidence in Him than he has in himself

That is a pretty interesting revelation. Too bad he never said that. I saw three different interviews with him on the subject yesterday, he praised Sarah Palin for her speech and said that the debates would be challenging. An example:

"I was impressed with the governor last night, and I think she is going to be a great debater," Biden said. But "I will be unrelenting in my debates with the governor of Alaska on the positons she has taken.

Source

Originally posted by skyshow
Give me a break. Folks on here who have actually worked in this field and / or who have accomplished a graduate degree understand fundamentally what goes into all of this...perhaps you could comment on your research and tell us a bit about the volunteer work and career in social work you say you have done while you defend your position of support for one who is against community organizing. This I gotta see!

The problem with people like you is you take yourself too seriously. You think being a social worker makes you an expert on every subject, when you're really nothing more than a glorified intake worker, and jack of all trades. You get all the jobs no one else cares to do. I know. That's why social workers lobby so hard for certification and licensure. Without that, they're just another cog in the machine, that can easily be replaced by anyone with a BS in anything..

Where I worked, most of my colleagues thought they were much more important they they actually were, and never failed to provide the clinical staff with a good chuckle. They had such overinflated opinions of themselves and their abilities.

A social workers ranks somewhere between a dietitian and a nurse's aide in the overall hierarchy of things. That's the main reason I quit, not to mention the lousy pay scale. So please get over yourself..


[edit on 5-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

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Where did I say that I was a social worker? Thanks for the post, but my point was that social work and community building is honorable and noble. That it benifits society in some very important ways, and that insulting the folks who do this critical work and those who benift from it is shameful. That's today's GOP 2008 organizing community to be against community organizing.

Meanwhile barely a word said about healthcare reform supported again and again by poll research by more than two thirds of all americans...and did you hear them cheer everytime the word "war" was mentioned?

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Originally posted by skyshow
That was horribly insensitive, mean, and completely uncalled for. Definitely not Presidential or VP or whatever...you can't say things like that and be in charge of our Diverse nation. Such an insult, even if not intended, it was disgusting and very distasteful. To me it was arrogant and rubbes salt in the bleeding wound.

Talk about ignorance of diversity...

He said: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Barack Obama, April, 2008
www.timesonline.co.uk...

or this..

"I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking,"

Joe Biden, June, 2006

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by LLoyd45

 

Where did I say that I was a social worker?

I guess these aren't your words then?

yes I hold a master's degree, and I have worked in social work field and I have to tell you (as most of you republican types do nothing but constantly put people down in this field and call social worker types pinko commies) I have never not once ever met anyone who does this type of work who shares your belief system. But whatever, there's always a piece of fruit somewhere that falls off of the tree with a worm in it.

Thanks for the post, but my point was that social work and community building is honorable and noble. That it benifits society in some very important ways, and that insulting the folks who do this critical work and those who benift from it is shameful. That's today's GOP 2008 organizing community to be against community organizing.

It's honest work, but these people take themselves way too seriously. It's cool to be proud of your profession,but not to exaggerate your abilities and skills. Community organizers have a long way to go to be the equal of mayors and governors in my opinion.

A community organizer is typically a people-oriented person. My daughter acted in that capacity for awhile. But would she make a good Commander in Chief? Hell, she'd be asking me for advice on what to do about everything.

I drive around, picking up food from the local supermarkets and delivering them to the food banks and soup kitchens. We raise money to house families in need. I do this in my spare time. I guess I could be be called a community organizer. And I don't need a Harvard degree to do it. Can I be CiC/ Hell yes! But that's because I'm always right!

Originally posted by skyshow
Palin owes the American people an apology!

----->>>> Hey Palin: Community building is a noble cause!!! Ever been to South Chicago? Anyone who graduates law school from an Ivy League institution and goes to somewhere like that to roll up sleeves and get to work doing good rather than take the cushy and plush well paying Wall street job is a true American hero, and a hero to me. I find your comments rather insulting to say the least and certainly not representative of "the people". What "people" is it you're talking about exactly? You owe the hundreds of thousands of social workers, psychologists and other community builders and workers one huge apology, but even more, you owe millions of Americans one!

Could it have anything to do with...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



CHICAGO (CBS) - An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.


Yes, yes statisticians, there is a difference in the murder rate of a city with a population just under 3,000,000 and soldiers on patrol or engaged in combat.


The murders are concentrated in certain districts of Chicago, notably those on the South Side, which Barack Obama represented in the State Senate. Obama's community organizing in Woodlawn (he worked for a Woodlawn group) doesn't seem to have left a legacy of peace among the communards. In fact, the violence may be worse now than before Obama invaded from New York.


Who intervened and left a bigger and bloodier fiasco? George Bush in Iraq or Barack Obama in the Southside?

Originally posted by Artista
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

 

I'm not at all threatened by successful women - in fact, I admire them, but your definition of successful and my definition of successful seem to be entirely different. I don't think Palin is successful at all, in fact, I think she was merely in the right place at the right time and McCain reached out and grabbed her to reap what he hopes will be the benefit of votes which may have possibly went to Hilary.

As a former librarian, the fact the Palin seriously tried to ban books she deemed inappropriate from the Wasilla Public Library makes me absolutely livid. There's no way I want to cast my vote in the direction of an elected official who believes it's perfectly within their power to do such things. Do you not see the danger of an elected official even considering it?

I am completely in favor of the NRA.

I am pro-choice. Because I am a former rape victim, I can tell you quite honestly that had I became pregant due to the rape, I would have had an abortion. I want that to remain my choice - I want that to be a choice for ALL women.

Lets see....mayor...becomes governor by FIRST beating the incumbent governor in the primary and then beating a former governor in the general election. Garners a 75% approval rating. Five beautiful children, a loving husband..Yes she is a success. One would think that NOW et al, would be out front, applauding her for having her career and family both, not to mention fighting with the press over the sexism it is showing towards her.

As for the book banning, do you know the circumstances of the conversation? Other than what a few media crackpots have to say? I mean the mass media has been so accurate so far........and the full story on the conversation has quite a few facts that the media convieniently leaves out, I will let you find those out for yourself, should you choose to do so.

Then there is the abortion question. A child conceived through rape, is STILL a child, and whether or not you believe it, a child that is half you. There are hundreds of couples that would be willing to adopt that child. I can tell what you are thinking...typical guy...does not know what he is talking about...and you would be wrong. My wife's first child was born of a rape (in her case, date rape). Her choice, was to raise her son and I was so happy to adopt him when I married her. Another friend we know chose to raise her son, again, born of a rape.

The tragedy of a rape, never needs to be compounded by the additional tragedy of a child never getting a chance to live. However, this is a moot point, even if Roe V. Wade was overturned, the odds are, every state would have laws permitting abortion in the case of rape.