Palin owes the American people an apology!

at least you wasn't "called a typical white person" while obama was talking about racism in America lol

and obama is still eat rainbow's and poop's butterfly's.

so go figure how dare she speak how dare she!!!!!

back in you place woman lol

hope you get my point!

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The reply is: Obamas "organizer experience is squat, did not have an impact and is not executive level, or even low supervisor level. Does not even compare to Gov. Palins executive experience. The Dems are shaking in their boots because this lady is bringing out the conservative base and they are trying to destroy her at any cost. It won't work.

The Art of Layout

Lately the MSM's anti-Saracuda propaganda has been anything but subtle, so maybe this was an accident:



No media bias, eh?

Whoever does not serve the media agenda is the right one for the job.

That rules out the media's messiah, B Hussein Obama!

Originally posted by feydrautha
The Art of Layout

Lately the MSM's anti-Saracuda propaganda has been anything but subtle, so maybe this was an accident:



No media bias, eh?

Whoever does not serve the media agenda is the right one for the job.

That rules out the media's messiah, B Hussein Obama!

Also shows how feminine the media has become. Afterall, as an avid hunter, if Palin fires, soemthing just died.

Originally posted by skyshow
Palin owes the American people an apology!

----->>>> Hey Palin: Community building is a noble cause!!! Ever been to South Chicago? Anyone who graduates law school from an Ivy League institution and goes to somewhere like that to roll up sleeves and get to work doing good rather than take the cushy and plush well paying Wall street job is a true American hero, and a hero to me. I find your comments rather insulting to say the least and certainly not representative of "the people". What "people" is it you're talking about exactly? You owe the hundreds of thousands of social workers, psychologists and other community builders and workers one huge apology, but even more, you owe millions of Americans one!

Could it have anything to do with...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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Governor Palin owes NO ONE an apology over your opinion. The FACTS are very CLEAR ..... being MAYOR of a city requires RESPONSIBILITY and DECISION MAKING and ACCOUNTABILITY. Being a member of a community service project does not. And I would not clump PROFESSIONAL people in with community service folks. Community Service is a VOLUNTARY effort, not a JOB.

Get a Life and Get off Palin's back.

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Originally posted by skyshow
Hey Palin: Community building is a noble cause!!! Ever been to South Chicago?

More people were killed over the past year in Chicago than in Iraq. Chicago is a cesspool.

What's noble about "community building"? No one knows what he did while "community building." Believe it or not, registering illegal aliens and dead people to vote Democrat is NOT a noble cause. That is what ACORN is best known for.

Registering people to vote illegally, funneling money to slumlords for sweet land deals and befriending unrepentant terrorists and radical hatemongering racists is not noble. You tell me ONE THING Obama did that was "noble" during his "community organizing" activities

I'm a former licensed social worker and hold a Master's degree in Social Work. Sarah Palin doesn't owe me an apology, mainly because I know what she meant by that statement and that it was a response to assertions that her being mayor and governor of Alaska are insufficient qualifications for the office of the Vice President and and that surely, if that is true, then Obama hardly qualifies for the highest office in the land.

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Find out what a community organizer is and what one does. There is not an official city position with the title Community Organizer. At least not in the towns of the states where I have lived; New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, California, and Florida. Have you ever voted a Community Organizer into office?

There are established community organizations that do in fact operate along partisan lines. Generally they are non-profit organizations and depend at least in part on donations for their operations. However, not all community organizations are partisan and many are volunteer only where donation proceeds only cover the cost of operation, and not salaries or stipends.

Further, some so-called partisan community organizations only appear partisan because the cause or causes they represent have been taken up by one political party or another for the purpose of gaining electoral advantage over the other. Planned Parenthood is a prime example of this. Despite that -- any person of any background or political affiliation can benefit either directly or indirectly from the services that Planned Parenthood provides.

MLK was a civil rights leader in addition to being a minister. He promoted a non-violent protest policy. He led The March for Jobs and Freedom on Washington, D.C. in 1963. Which stands as a testament to the man's ability to organize Black community leaders and White community leaders for the plight of Black Americans who suffered due to government sanctioned discrimination and racism. MLK clearly was a community organizer; not only at the local level, but the national level as well.

Maybe you think that the title of community organizer and community activist are exclusive from one another. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. Bottom line is that both titles refer to people and organizations that seek to mobilize communities to action towards solving complex issues that mayors, governors, presidents, kings and queens generally ignore and avoid.

Maybe you think that Jesus was not a community organizer or an activist. The stories I've heard about him would seem to contradict the religious rhetoric that you espouse. Who paid Jesus? Who fronted his assault on usury? Who founded his message of Love? He had twelve disciples, who funded them?

Small organized groups of people potentially wield great influence and power. That's why community organizers and organizations are essential. The irony is that is also why many towns and nations are divided among themselves. Large organizations tend to be way less efficient when compared to small organizations. Have a close look at the U.S., if you don't believe me. Clue: The influence of corporate lobbying on domestic and foreign policy.





[EDIT: Edited "Small organized groups or people..." to say "Small organized groups of people...".]


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A sign of the times perhaps? Republican supporters arguing over whether or not community building is a virtue and the Republicans are against it. Wow. Who would have thought such a majestic institution would sink to such lows. Unbelievable.

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Pathetic!!!

SHe owes nothing. Community organizer to PRESIDENT??!! That is sickeningly childish.

Mayor and Gov? That is nothing...right? You are good and qualified if you only help the poor and struggling.

Alll of you anti-Republican, anti-McCain zealots need to take a breath and realize that you have at leats 4 more years to spout anger. Pace your self.

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" .... The beloved Christian right goddess Palin is the one who insulted folks doing some pretty damn important and noble work and not just once but several times and Giuliani damn near had a wet dream over it and literally over the bodies of millions who continue to live in slums with substandard educations, no healthcare, skyrocketing unemployment figures, soaring crime rates, child hunger, struggling single mothers, epidemic substance abuse rates, While the Republican politicians joke about folks who put their hard work into the area of helping these Americans improve their lives and make our country stronger, and your on here trying to snag me up on my own background with community building. What is wrong with some people? Can't they see how transparent these folks are?

1. Palin did not start hurling insults ... Obama and Biden did.

2. If folks are living in slums with sub-standard education, it is their own damn fault. America is a land of opportunity and all you have to do is go out and build it for yourself. This is not a SOCIALIST government or country. It was not designed to be. The people in those slums are the ones taking hand outs from Uncle Sam. As long as they are accepting the hand-outs, they are allowing Uncle Sam to hold them down. They need to accept PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to get out of the situations they are in.

3. Healthcare is not the RESPONSIBILITY of the Government. It is an OPTION offered by Employers and it has a tangible cost. IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.

4. UnEmployment is rising because you DEMOCRATS with Bill Clinton, Signed NAFTA/GATT and allowed JOBS to go to foreign lands. BLAME YOURSELVES before pointing the finger at others.

5. Crime rates are up because the cost of living is skyrocketing.

6. Child hunger, struggling single mothers, epidemic substance abuse rates, all due to IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIORS and the LACK OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY on the part of the PEOPLE.

7. Yep, your transparent and its not totally your fault. You bit the leg of the DNC and now your infected with their EL TORO POO POO. They day you start accepting RESPONSIBILITY to get out of the gutter your in on your own instead of waiting for a hand out from Uncle Sam to keep you in that gutter, you'll be much better off.

Community organizer to President. During Obama's selfless organizing efforts he has suspiciously obtained a house worth $1,650,000. All the while South Chicago is a war zone. Has there been ONE of his community organizing efforts that is worthy of reporting. I haven't heard of one. Sarah has a resume. When Palin made her statement, she did it in the light of day in front of millions. You can do the typical liberal manuever and read more into it than is actually there. Remember this. When Obama made his statement about people who 'cling to their guns and religion', he did it covertly in an attempt to win over San Fran libs by bashing middle America. Those are the tactics of a shallow, self-serving individual.

Originally posted by skyshow
A sign of the times perhaps? Republican supporters arguing over whether or not community building is a virtue and the Republicans are against it. Wow. Who would have thought such a majestic institution would sink to such lows. Unbelievable.

no, more like a sign of blinding bias, in your post...

nowhere did palin state that com. service was bad, it is simply not enough experience to sit in the big chair...

how could you miss that?

simply, obama cannot compare his leadership experience to hers...

reply to post by feydrautha


"republican supporters" are also those who support republicans here on this thread...I did say supporters right? If someone is supporting Palin or Giuliani and in debate regarding items in their speech, I'd say that's a "supporter". Can't believe everything has to be spelled out in detail...If I could color a picture online I would...how much easier does this have to get for understanding to come about?

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The points you raised are those of right wing republican views and though worthy of debate, and as you are probably quite aware, those of us to the left of you don't agree, this thread is about Palin and why she owes America an apology. Therefore I will only have diolog with you regarding your point 1.

1. Palin did not start hurling insults ... Obama and Biden did.

I watched both conventions. What insults are you referring to? I am obviously bias (we all are according to our own ideologies) and thus may not have interpreted things said in the same way you did. That said, I do not recall any insults hurled by them. What I do recall is that when they did talk about the opposing candidates they talked about their position on the issues, and did not insult anyone based on their service in the past. As a matter of fact, they were very gracious and put forth honor owed for the things they did for America.

It's also interesting to note how in every convention so far up till now when one candidate is referring to another they respectfully use that candidates first and last name together. For the first time ever, this woman referred to her opponents with last name only breaking that tradition and honor.

When a republican attacks a democrat on the position they take on a particular issue, that is not an insult but when they attack on something like how they served "the people" by putting it down and belittling it that is an insult. I would have rather they challenged their opponent on one of the variety of issues such health care, or infrastructure improvement, but the way both her and Rudi Giuliani did things was low and as someone else on this thread said, the type of quality you might find at a high school debate.

By the way, (and though this doesn't have much to do with the thread, I simply must respond to your quick assessment of my political views) did you realize that since the 1970's more than $20 trillion in tax cuts were given to the upper 1% (who own more than 40% of the nation's wealth...these are the ultra ultra rich) under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II? (reference: A People's History of the United States -- 1492 to Present. Howard Zinn). Democrats and Republican administrations alike gave the cuts to the ultra rich at obscene levels...that's one of many many examples of how both sides trip over one another to pander to the extreme wealthy at the expense usually of all the rest of us. You jump to conclusions way to fast. I consider myself more of a populist and see not a whole lot of difference between most democrats and republicans who, though they claim to push the individual party platform and say they are for "the people", keep grid lock up in DC. Thus never coming close to accomplishing the platform issue goal, never really significantly improving conditions for the poor and assisting the working class, but instead feed the golden goose which is big corporate interests such as Oil, military/defense contractors, and other large industry where the benifits go to the large financial interests, top brass, and big shareholders-- except with this candidate.

With Barack Obama we see strong indications that he really is for "the people". Don't get me wrong, he of course is still a politician, and I'm not saying he ignors corporate interests--nobody is saying that, However when you put aside all the rhetoric, and politics and really look at his background we see someone who doesn't fit the standard mode. Here we have someone who decided after graduating from Harvard with his law degree to not take a high paying job at Wall street like most do...no, he goes back to chicago where he did community work--something worthy of respect, recognition, and top honors-- prior to law school, and works for the people in poverished neighborhoods to help them build their communities, improve their lives, and be able to help themselves. As Bush would say "this is the real deal", only it really is! He is a man for the people and he put his effort, skills, and education where his mouth is and his resume' proves it. I believe that is worthy of a second look, and it strongly suggests that we have a candidate for the first time in a very long time, if ever, who actually will represent those other than the rich and corporate interests. Perhaps this is why the establishment is and has fought him so hard. There are many many positive things we can say about this candidate, and plenty of policy issues that can be debated, but for Palin to attack his work for the people, and then at the same time while looking us all in the eye say she works for "the people" is a terrible misrepresentation at best, and a total insult.

So please, just because I am upset with Sarah's speech items and hurt by her lack of respect and display of arrogance only rivaled by Rudi's...please don't automatically assume that it's party bias that is responsible. I have backed up all that I have stated with sound reasoning, and am not posting something I read on a democratic web site. I watched the speech and the debates just like many of you did, and I came to my own conclusions, and I for one, and apparently many others as well, feel jaded and insulted by this woman's rude comments and false statements.



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reply to post by skyshow


The very first insults were thrown by the Obama/Biden campaign before McCain had even stepped onto the stage to announce her as his running mate. Two hours after the announcement, when people were calling and complaining about the statement made by the Obama campaign, it was retracted for a short period. So yes, the first blood was drawn by the Obamites.

By the way, (and though this doesn't have much to do with the thread, I simply must respond to your quick assessment of my political views) did you realize that since the 1970's more than $20 trillion in tax cuts were given to the upper 1% (who own more than 40% of the nation's wealth...these are the ultra ultra rich) under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II?

And yet the top 1% pays...what...30-35% of the total taxes paid each year? And the bottom 40% pays NO income tax...hmmm........

Maybe you can answer me this then. In the early-mid 90s, Clinton was President and raised taxes, I was married, raising three kids, working three jobs and making 32,000 a year...and I was still having to pay more on April 15th. Then the GOP took over Congress and passed their Tax Reform Act. The next year, I made about 35,000....and got a refund of everything I paid in. Until your post, I did not realize that I must have been rich back then.......

Every time the GOP is in charge, whether you want to believe it or not, its the middle class that benefits the most at tax time. Sure, the rich may keep more of their money...they also invest more, make more and in the end pay MORE. Try doing the research on the percentages that the rich pay over the years.

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Every time the GOP is in charge, whether you want to believe it or not, its the middle class that benefits the most at tax time.

Not when it brings the economy down to its knees and the value of the dollar drops like a hard rock...when the middle class lose their jobs, loose their pensions as happened at a handful of companies like United, Delta, and GM, not when prices on everything sky rocket...I'd much rather pay a little more tax and have a booming economy then get the bush stimulus checks and refunds and loose my retirement, benefits, job and maybe even house...have you ever thought of it that way? Or if you own a small business and business drops off so you have lay people off because they can't afford what your selling anymore; I'm sure you'll be glad on that miniscule tax cut.

But it's a mute point anyway because Barack Obama's tax plan doesn't raise it as he said for 95% of the working class.

In response to your Clintonism, uh, I have again and again stated that democrats and republicans both have dropped rates on the wealthy. They may pay 40% of the tax, but they can more than afford it...even Warren Buffet one of the richest in the world says the rich need to pay more...moreover they benefits the most from the system and thus owe it morally to pay a larger share...but even more than that the middle and lower classes are the ones doing the actual work and having to exist under a lopsided system that inherently favors the extreme wealthy and so from this stand point one could argue that they should not have to pay in proportion as much. Someone on a tight budget, and I mean tight--below the poverty line for instance--who pays 10% of their income for tax on food let's say is not the same as someone who makes 6 figures a year paying that same 10% on food...it proportionately hurts the poor guy harder. But then you folks on the right have been taught that this is naughty unpatriotic liberalism so I don't figure that you'll accept my arguments, heck you don't even think it's wrong to shame someone's volunteer experience in helping build communities and organize folks to become empowered to help themselves, why should I think you would be in favor of putting back the tax cuts to the upper 1% that both democrats and republicans have voted for over the past 30 some odd years.

You know Al Gore wrote a fabulous book, that righties have been told not to read by their king pins. It's called "The Assault on Reason" and no matter how you feel about his invention of the internet comment, or his electric usage, or his presentation on Global Warming, the book speaks to the how and why Americans have abandoned reason and logic for sensational bits of mindless propaganda. He's an excellent speaker, an amazing author and one of the best thinkers of our time. I would recommend that read even if you disagree with his politics, and I might also recommend Howard Zinn's (where he talks about the history of the two party system and how both parties represent the elite interests, among other fascinating facts from a people’s perspective) "A People's History of the United States - 1492 to PResent. Howard Zinn by the way is a professor of history, and an independent so I don't know how you plan to vilify him before ever cracking the book, but anyway, best of luck as you fare in life and enjoy your tax cuts and this wonderful economy complete with the largest deficit in the United States history that your grand children and their children will be paying back in the years and generations to come. Despite having read this, I imagine 99% of you folks on the right, most of whom none of the GOP policies are designed for, will continue to vote for them based on years and years of being told what to believe rather than breaking away from the doctrine and dogma and doing some independent thinking. I'm not trying to attack, just making a point from the vantage point not leashed by the control aparatus of the conservativ and neo conservative right.

I left the party and since then have learned a lot. I've never looked back and dumping that party and freeing myself from that ilk was the best thing I have ever done in my entire life. How I did it was I was attending GOP meetings in my community while in college, and to find out first hand about the evil dem's I decided to attend a few of their meetings...the contrast could'nt have been starker. One party was actually conserned with doing things to improve the lives of their constituents and those of the community, and the other was hell bent on stopping this from happening. In a nut shell that summed up what saw from within both parties. I'll let you guess what party was which.

Enjoy your weekend and these last few weeks of summer as well. It's a beautiful time of year, and really to nice to be blogging...I'm heading out right now for an evening walk. Thanks for reading my long winded posts :-)

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