is rap music a conspiracy to destroy the language?

Originally posted by nahsik
so you would blame heavy metal music for kids worshipping satan/devil?

[edit on 9-8-2008 by nahsik]

first of all, i'm a practicing satanist.

second, i don't really blame heavy metal for anything other than being excruciatingly boring. it hasn't represented a conscious effort to degrade and dumb down the american population in the manner of jazz/rap.

I think its a total cop-out on societies behalf blaming rap music for its own problems. Laziness has ruined our children and will ruin our children's children. Bad parenting will destroy our children mentally but you clearly don't state nothing of this. You the person sitting in front of your pc and wining about a conspiracy about hip hop dumbing down our society is only trying to find an excuse as to why society has failed you.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by nahsik]

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by Seekingmyself

 

I am really not sure why you are referring to my post in regard to what you are stating your experience and personal preferences are, if you referred to my post because I said I like to listen to SOME rap while at home cleaning house I don't see how that in particular is harming youth or anyone else, myself included. I am white, middle class and listen to many different types of music, I just get enjoy playing rap because it revs me up doing otherwise mundane chores. I don't always listen to rap when I am home, my fav channel for music is adult alternative, but I do have fun singing along with some of the rap (mental image is too much, I know! LOL!). I agree that ebonics has no place in the english lang. But just like the man Bob Dylan said in his song , wait, what did he say? I never understood him when he sang either, but I loved his songs! OH, and what about the famous Louie Louie? I think the music and ebonics might be 2 separate issues.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by space cadet]

my apologies; I must have mis-read your post! I don't think rap is "harming" anyone... just affecting their possible futures, as far as college and such. Sorry about that! You are right, I listen to rap rarely, and when I do, it's to get hyped for a night out or a big football game or something similar.

I see rap as a reason to drop below the moral reality to not act as a normal human being. See, this thang with turnin and tippin ya hat, talkin and spittin it out like that, makes one look a little small when all the rest are tall; keep them words in line, we know you be lieing, but tell dem bro's a thing, and all the worlds da bling.

Talk em tough and crazy, makes the man go lazy, when stead they puff they stuff, booty calls nough. yad yada yada woof woof.

Anyway, rap is a low self esteem up yours way to walk and talk. Grabbing at ya crouch with words slurring and bling blinging does not make you anything. Thats why rappers are fighting turf wars and shooting one another. Ya think they would wake up and realize theres enough to go around for all without rapping bout shootin, killin, and booty ownership.

Like in that movie be cool, it be gangsta bro. Ya, the jews, russians and cia are in the music business and behind it all.

How can you say that when Nas just put out an album bashing the NWO, government coverups, ufos, .etc?

And not to mention, once you get into the underground there are some insanely intelligent eloquent lyricist poets.

When youre talking about mainstream rap, yea well, mainstream rock is just as commercialized and manipulated/ing now a days. Music is terrible and shallow now, and I do think the sex and materialism part of today's music industry is a little conspiracy-ish.

reply to post by Slothrop


Great post. However I do not have many friends....Make that any that listen to rap, and Texans pretty much have their own English.

Has anyone brought up the possibility that rap music and BET was designed to undermine black culture? Think about it. Before rap became popular blacks were portrayed on tv as criminals, prosititutes, welfare recipients, murderers etc etc. And now by some strange coincidence rap music reflects and solidfies this view. So, is it art portraying life?

Kudos OP, I was thinking about making a thread asking whether IM was doing the very same thing.

I doubt very much that rap or anything else sets out to intentionally destroy language. I dabbled in the music industry for a while (not rap though). The artists out there usually want to either get their music heard for the sake of art or for the dollar.

I don't know why anyone would get into it to destroy language, because that seems like a lofty, laborious goal. I don't see anyone taking their hatred towards English class that far.

However, I think it is in fact damaging the English language (and perhaps others, too.) I don't think anyone encourages it other than the for the reason that they can sell the records to the kiddies by passing bad English off as a hip, rebellious thing to make them look cool and set them apart from their parents.

There are a very few rap artists I like, one I can think of is Cowboy Troy but on the whole the culture of rap annoys me, especially when I see people acting it out on the streets. I remember their being a lot of kids at my high school, and some of the kids there acted like learning English was beneath them, because they had their rap culture to fall back on. I hope they've had a wakeup call by now.

Edit to add: By rap culture, I'm pointing the finger at the more popular, MSM-promoted stuff.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by asmeone2]

I can tell you for a fact that there is no conspiracy in the record industry regarding rap. other than the bogus west coast vs east coast scam to get attention back onto the rap industry which was ailing before then, and is begging to slump again.

The executives that run the record industry are literally not intelligent enough to come up with a workable conspiracy. (Well ok some are,but it's not in their interests to do so) they are concerned more about getting their artist to be a success so that they can get paid tons of money themselves. These people spend their days ruminating on how to get more money, who owes them money and weather they should sue to recoup that money or balance owing. Trying to fit in with the rest of the record exec crowd, gossiping on the phone and through emails (usually through their assistants) planning family vacations, threatening their 'help', firing their landscapers because they can't be super human like them and 'do the gardening right', spoiling their kids. Acting like 20 year olds in 50+ bodies with their high school like whisper campaigns and other antics.

basically they are very, very self absorbed and could care less about creating any sort of conspiracy. believe me I can tell you this from my experience working with a good number of these types on a daily basis that this is how they are and that there is no conspiracy.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by BASSPLYR]

i found this thread very offenisive especially the examples of some of the artist you have given stating that tupac planned on destroying english language??? you probably haent listened to a single one of his songs if you did you would no that he was a poet and the mainstrea garbage they play on t.v now and days is not rap!! And to the Original Poster what do you mean those people are you insinuating the african american race i think your trying to be a low key racist

anbd for future refeence Soulja noy and that illeterate garbage they play on tv is not rap


Real Rap Artist

Dead Prez
Nas
Big L
Rakim
KRS 1
etc


thank you

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reply to post by latinking2021


In another thread I started I posted that religious folks should be more careful who they choose as leaders, because if the leader messes up, it's by their actions that the general public will judge the whole group.

I think the same thing is true for music. Although the artists you mentioned may be true poets, the mainstream stuff is main stream because that's what is most popular (even if it is artificially so) and therefore that is the standard by which most people will judge it.

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another problem though that is caused by these typeof threads is how rap is associated with a specific race of people particullary african americans people need to understand that rappers are entertainers ad not spokesperson for an entire race

reply to post by latinking2021


The argument is about rap as a genre and culture, regardless of the race of the artist, negatively effecting the language of everyone, regardless of their race.


This only has to be about racism if you want it to go that way.

reply to post by asmeone2


i never said this thread went that way im just sayin it has the potential to go that way and i was just letting people no that every 1 in a certain race doesnt match the stereotype set forth by rappers

i never said this thread went that way im just sayin it has the potential to go that way and i was just letting people no that every 1 in a certain race doesnt match the stereotype set forth by rappers

Maybe it does.

Thanks for the example of butchered English, though.

art.
subjective.
A conspiracy to destroy 'american' language?
You fool, it IS American language. It is part of the American identity.
It is just a part of the American culture as English, Texan, country...
The OP is showing their subconcious racism and ignorance of culture and language. For certain minorities, having a language that is their own, and is identifiable, is a process of individuality and identity. You complain about the corruption of the language, but look how 'American' language is a corruption of the English. You don't see any hipocrasy in your statement?
Besides, until you can string phrases and ideas together as well as people like Rakim, Kool Keith, Paris, KRS-1, you shouldn't be criticizing.
I agree, most mainstream is really stupid - in any genre. But your 'rap' stereotype is knocking a lot of very creative, hard-working, innovative people.

www.metrolyrics.com...

^ the lyrics to one of the best rap tracks ever. Proof that rap is also about exploration and enjoyment of the language. Even if you hate rap, you should listen to this track, just to appreciate the word-play.

Originally posted by Peepers
I see rap as a reason to drop below the moral reality to not act as a normal human being. See, this thang with turnin and tippin ya hat, talkin and spittin it out like that, makes one look a little small when all the rest are tall; keep them words in line, we know you be lieing, but tell dem bro's a thing, and all the worlds da bling.

That is pretty stereotypical. How do you define a normal human being? Normal to you might be a different class to someone else.

Talk em tough and crazy, makes the man go lazy, when stead they puff they stuff, booty calls nough. yad yada yada woof woof.

If you don't know what you are talking about then don't keep embarrassing yourself. Putting together a good rap song takes time, dedication, and cleverly put sentences. However, I tend to agree that modern rap is garbage(of course with a few exceptions).

Anyway, rap is a low self esteem up yours way to walk and talk. Grabbing at ya crouch with words slurring and bling blinging does not make you anything. Thats why rappers are fighting turf wars and shooting one another. Ya think they would wake up and realize theres enough to go around for all without rapping bout shootin, killin, and booty ownership.

Again, stereotypical. Name some of the rappers that are fighting turf wars, and getting shot at?

Like in that movie be cool, it be gangsta bro. Ya, the jews, russians and cia are in the music business and behind it all.

You sound like a child.

reply to post by asmeone2


butchered english lol i ca see you spend your time online trying to incite arguments you obviously feel because you type or talk a certain way you are better then certain people. Supremacy in may forms still plagus the nation i can see

reply to post by asmeone2


butchered english lol i ca see you spend your time online trying to incite arguments you obviously feel because you type or talk a certain way you are better then certain people. Supremacy in may forms still plagus the nation i can see this very thread seems to prove that for me

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