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Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

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posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:12 AM
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REPLY TO pluckynoonez and Rentor

Thanks found it. Its on the front page.

People isn't Russia behaving insanely. Why even say something when you can't follow it up with actions? But they aren't insane they have a strategy. Can anyone understand what that could be?


[edit on 17/8/08 by asen_y2k]



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:12 AM
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Gorbachev: Russia had no choice in S.Ossetia




Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev said Russia had no choice but to launch a counterattack to Georgia's offensive in breakaway South Ossetia, but it is still possible to find a political solution to the crisis.

"What happened on the night of August 7 is beyond comprehension," Gorbachev said in an article The Guardian published on Wednesday. "The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas."



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posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:18 AM
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The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power



The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery.
This, as we have argued, has opened a window of opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the invasion did not shift the balance of power. The balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that Aug. 8.
www.stratfor.com...=379588
Think abotu it....

[edit on 17-8-2008 by rixhell]



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:18 AM
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Whatever insanity is occurring, Bush and Rice are not making matters better. We need Ron Paul.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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There could be a well thought theory behind all this.

Russia first uses military force, perhaps in an all out attempt to remove Saakaville (sp?) but then the western responses started. So now Russia has switched to the political game of removing Saaka, but keeping it's troops in place, to add pressure to the political game.

If the political game doesn't work, they still have forces in Georgia to start a military advance on Tbilisi hence why they aren't pulling out their troops yet.

Mind you, this is only a theory...



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:37 AM
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Its called"Divide and Conquer" develop by the Romans around B.C.
They isolate the capital completely has they take Western Georgia whole(Also denying Reporters going over to western Georgia to report this,remember road blocks at Gori) Has they finish up western Georgia and Western forces meet up in Gori, the real assault starts on the capital. Pull up the map and check it out. I know my idea might be wrong but there tons of reports western Georgia under attack.

Well that's my 2 cents



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:38 AM
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Planning Ahead
Kudos to Brian Whitmore of Radio Free Europe, who is attempting something the MSM has ignored. In his most recent post on the broadcast service's website, he tries to connect the dots and prove that Russia's invasion of Georgia was planned months, perhaps even a year, in advance.
formerspook.blogspot.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:41 AM
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Confusion over Russian 'withdrawal'




"The columns are moving from Tskhinvali to Russia," Major-General Vyachislav Borisov, a Russian commander, said on Sunday.

"[President Dmitry] Medvedev has said we are to withdraw," he told the Reuters news agency near the Georgian town of Gori.

However, a witness in the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali told Al Jazeera that the only troop movements on Sunday appeared to be heading south rather than north back into Russia.

Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri, reporting to North Ossetia, also said that when she headed out of the region on Saturday evening Russian columns could be seen heading towards Tskhinvali.



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[edit on 17-8-2008 by -Rugged Shark-]



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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I did see this coming yesterday:


Expect the Russians to draw back from Igoeti and redeploy to somewhere else.


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Russian troops redeploying after ceasefire


* Georgia says Russians redeploying around other cities

* Russian commander says troops on the move

* Defence Ministry says no withdrawal ordered

By Matt Robinson

GORI, Georgia, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Russian troops have begun regrouping around central Georgian cities, Georgia said on Sunday, ahead of what the West hopes will be a quick withdrawal from the Black Sea state.

A senior Russian commander said troops had begun withdrawing from the pro-Russian separatist region of South Ossetia, focus of a 10-day conflict formally ended by a French-brokered ceasefire. But Russia's defence ministry said no pullback had begun and the commander might be referring to preparations.

(AlertNet)



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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That link right there confirms this[

08:26 – General Alarm was declared in 71st Tank Battalion of the Russian army, stationed in Tskhinvali. The Battalion is now heading towards Gori. As of now, they are in the village of Karaleti.

Thanks, now we know what really is going on



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Rentor
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That link right there confirms this[

08:26 – General Alarm was declared in 71st Tank Battalion of the Russian army, stationed in Tskhinvali. The Battalion is now heading towards Gori. As of now, they are in the village of Karaleti.

Thanks, now we know what really is going on


My theory is simple, they are waiting till they have enough troops on the grounds along with APCs and Tanks and then they will launch a surprise attack on Tbilisi.

Try to verify which all cities they are re deploying at. Then we can see their plans. If they are re deploying at cities near to Tbilisi or strategically advantageous for the attack on Tbilisi., then we would know whats coming.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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Well yes their gonna need more of everything etc. to take Georgia whole.You just don't move straight for the kill.Take everything around it first and then swallow it all whole(the capital), also if they just move all their troops to the capital. then they leave them selves open for an counter attack


[edit on 17-8-2008 by Rentor]

[edit on 17-8-2008 by Rentor]



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by -Rugged Shark-
Gorbachev: Russia had no choice in S.Ossetia




Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev said Russia had no choice but to launch a counterattack to Georgia's offensive in breakaway South Ossetia, but it is still possible to find a political solution to the crisis.

"What happened on the night of August 7 is beyond comprehension," Gorbachev said in an article The Guardian published on Wednesday. "The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas."



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Russia could have gone to the UN about it.They were planning to go into Georgia for a few months now maybe longer.Gorbachev was a member of the communist party and the last communist leader in power when Soviet union collapsed.
But no they chose invasion,and then threatened neighbours who obviously chose democracy than Russian rule,with nuclear weapons!This kind of behaviour is what the world went through during the Cold War.Saber rattling but with nukes.
Poland,Ukraine,Georgia and the Baltic states chose freedom.The West will stand by our allies to counter Russian aggression.Not all resistance to aggression comes in the form of military units.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 04:35 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Gorby is right. Btw, Saakashvili picked the time (the opening of the Olympics) to start this recent war, not Russia. Saakashvili forced Russia to counter attack with his actions. But I wonder whether he acted on his own when he launched his attack on Tskhinvali, or whether it was planned by others above him? Did Saakashvili surprise the west? I assume the plan was to disintegrate South Ossetia completely. And then Abkhazia would be next. If he had succeeded, did he believe he could cover it up afterwards? Unless the plan all along was to make Russia go to war. In that case, he succeeded. But whether he did this on his own or not, the west seems to try to cover it up now. If this had happened in any other country, there would be a cry-out against Saakashvili. Could another pro-western President be elected in Georgia now? The question is whether a pro-western candidate would win, if there was an election today. Isn't the whole point to secure the BTC pipeline? NATO bases too? Why can't there still be oil flowing through this pipeline to the west, without starting WWIII? If something happened to Saakashvili now..., would there be another pro-western President taking his place? Or would there be a new election no matter what? I doubt Saakashvili can stay in power without war. I doubt Russia wants to "take Georgia" and occupy it. But they do want to neutralize Saakashvili, of course. Wouldn't you, if you were in their place? With Saakashvili out of the picture, I bet the Russians would go home. But then there is Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Someone has to prevent them and Georgia from killing each other. Georgia is weak now, and might not be able to defend itself from the separatists. Russia will defend Abkhazia and South Ossetia, if someone else is to intervene against them. A peacekeeping force of some sort is needed there. The conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia/Abkhazia must be settled. The longer this war is allowed to go on, the lesser chance for peace. It'll explode. This fire must be put out now!


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power


The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery.

NATO won't stand for it for long. Now that the propaganda is in full swing and people are afraid of the Russians, even democrats will call for a draft.

Just watch. A DRAFT. While both sides are being played against each others... The globalists are behind this. Brzezinski, the guy hates russia like it's not even possible. Also the PNAC members. Russia isn't stupid, they know that they are the final objective.

We really need to take back that government and make peace with Russia/China... otherwise we're heading for WW3, that's a certainty... because the globalists want world domination.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 04:53 AM
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Personally I have a great respect for Gorby, but I think it's too early at this stage to speculate about who started this mess.

The situation is quite complex to say the least.

Last night I spent several hours reading into the prelude of this conflict. It's obvious that this conflict was brewing for quite a long time, with hardly any western media coverage. All it needed was a spark to cause all of what's happening today.

Russia claims that Georgia started it and vice-versa, both sides claim to have proof of it, though no substantial proof has been shown yet.

Russia claims that Georgia used RL's during the attack on Chinvalli, video footage do back that up, but we don't know where they were exactly aiming at. For al we might know they were aiming 250 meters to the right or left of Chinvalli or at the very heart of that town.

Like I stated before, personally I think it's too early to point a finger to either side.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 05:20 AM
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Federal Security Service played major role in Russian-Georgian war




Stratfor, a private online publisher of geopolitical intelligence, pays attention to the fact that in the months before the Russian-Georgian war, Tbilisi complained that Russians were increasing their intelligence operations inside Georgia and its two secessionist regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The analysts of the website conclude that Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) have heavy influence on Russian military operations in Georgia and had played perhaps the majot in the campaign’s strategic planning. Stratfor notes that in thrusts to cities of Gori and Senaki, the Russian military has appeared to have pushed forward and retreated a number of times. It seems that the military was playing the part of keeping pressure on Tbilisi by pushing in and through Gori, but also pulling back in order to give Moscow deniability when it served the Kremlin, analysts suggest. They also mark vigorous propaganda efforts by the Russian side — “complete with the use of US reporters embedded with Russian forces and Russian reporters at Washington press conferences” — that could indicate that the FSB’s role in planning and execution was more significant. The FSB is willing to make bold moves like invading Georgia, but the entire campaign was fought in a way that would minimize political fallout and ensure that other countries would not get involved — something the Russian military has no experience in doing. At the same time, Stratfor remind of a long and volatile history of simply not getting along or trusting each other for the Russian military and the FSB. Putin has placed former security personnel in many key military and defense posts, keeping the military subservient to him while looking at how best to reshape the military into a tool useful to the Kremlin, analysts conclude.

www.axisglobe.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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Turkish Airlines resumes flights to Georgia



The Turkish Airlines (THY) has resumed flights between Istanbul to Tbilisi, the capital city of Georgia, which it had temporarily stopped on August 9 after clashes erupted in South Ossetia, Dogan News Agency reported on Saturday.


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posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 05:29 AM
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ANALYSIS-Risks abound as Merkel presses peace in Georgia
www.alertnet.org...



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

Brzezinski, the guy hates russia like it's not even possible.


Yeah, its like he is Polish or something.




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