Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


Lovely avatar, where did you get it from?

CNN TV: Ukraine to accept U.S Missile shield into their lands,even though its not confirmed when. Moscow is very angry at Ukraine.

My Thoughts
Ukraine just did themselves in,Moscow now has a reason to invade Ukraine soon

Op a very good and needed idea this thread, though i do feel it is difficult to find out specifics after 200 odd pages.

Therefore all people interested in this issue will find the following very very helpful hopefully.

All ATS Submissions Russia/Georgia/ Missile Defense Shield & Poland

Hope that helps in finding the truth of this situation.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 16-8-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Breaking:

AFP: Georgian Foreign Ministry says Abkhazian rebels seize control of 13 Georgian villages and a power plant.

- Sky TV

[edit on 16-8-2008 by chips]

Originally posted by Justice11
Propagandists turn to Dick Cheney plot
RUSSIANS were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by US Vice-President Dick Cheney to stop Barack Obama being elected president of the US.

The line came on the main news of Vesti FM, a state radio station that -- like the Government and much of Russia's media -- has reverted to the old habits of Soviet years, inwhich a sinister US hand washeld to lie behind every conflict, especially those embarrassing to Moscow.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au...

LMAO... I don't see how this would have any effect at all on who was made president. That is unless WW3 were to happen.. Obama Hasn't said anything terribly stupid.. Not nearly as bad a McCain..

Just doesn't make sense ... Its actualy kinda funny

Russia's big problem right now is that anything done by the irregulars of either contention area will be seen as the doings of Russia itself. It is quote possible that Russia is telling the truth when it says "We are not doing anything" while at the same time Georgia is telling the truth when it says "Russia is doing stuff". It all depends how one would classify the militiamen.

reply to post by asen_y2k


I made it myself. Just changed it again now, like it?

reply to post by Mainer


That's very true. Those S.O. militia men are acting on their own and just moved allong with the Russian army into Georgia.

But even after the Gori shooting incident, the Russians as peacekeepers haven't done much about the looting etc of their allies. And that is what's backfiring at the moment.

And Russia also declared tonight that they will stay on as peacekeepers in the two breakaway republics.

[edit on 16-8-2008 by -Rugged Shark-]

East Europe tries to protect itself from Russia

Poland strikes a deal on a U.S. missile defense base. Ukraine tries to limit the Russian navy's movement in its waters. The Czech Republic's leader warns his nation is in danger of being sucked back into Moscow's orbit.

Russia's attack on Georgia has sparked fears across the young democracies of Eastern Europe that Moscow is once again hungry for conquest — and they are scrambling to protect themselves by tightening security alliances with Western powers.

source

Wag the Dog: How to Conceal Massive Economic Collapse

What to do? War and threats of war have been used historically to distract the population and deflect public scrutiny from economic calamity. As the scheme was summed up in the trailer to the 1997 movie "Wag the Dog" -- "There’s a crisis in the White House, and to save the election, they’d have to fake a war." Perhaps that explains the sudden breakout of war in the Eurasian country of Georgia on August 8, just 3 months before the November elections. August 8 was the day the Olympic Games began in Beijing, a distraction that may have been timed to keep China from intervening on Russia’s behalf. The mainstream media version of events is that Russia, the bully on the block, invaded its tiny neighbor Georgia; but not all commentators agree. Mikhail Gorbachev, writing in The Washington Post on August 12, observed: "What happened on the night of Aug. 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas. Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against "small, defenseless Georgia" is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity. . . . The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support and encouragement of a much more powerful force."4 Bruce Gagnon, coordinator of the Global Network against Weapons and Nuclear Power, commented in OpEdNews on August 11: "The U.S. has long been involved in supporting ‘freedom movements’ throughout this region that have been attempting to replace Russian influence with U.S. corporate control. The CIA, National Endowment for Democracy . . . , and Freedom House (includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, former CIA director James Woolsey, and Obama foreign policy adviser Anthony Lake) have been key funders and supporters of placing politicians in power throughout Central Asia that would play ball with ‘our side’. . . . None of this is about the good guys versus the bad guys. It is power bloc politics . . . . Big money is at stake . . . . [B]oth parties (Republican and Democrat) share a bi-partisan history and agenda of advancing corporate interests in this part of the world. Obama’s advisers, just like McCain’s (one of his top advisers was recently a lobbyist for the current government in Georgia) are thick in this stew."5

www.globalresearch.ca...

the american people are kept busy through a slight of hand to occupy our minds as to what is happening under cover of war, this is just a scripted movie and we are the extras.

read this important article

Georgia conflict: How a flat tyre took the Caucasus to war

A second mobile phone call to Yuri Popov, the Russian diplomat, chairman of the talks, added an element of the ridiculous to the impasse. "I called and spoke to Popov and he said he could not get to the office because his car had a flat tyre," said Mr Yakobashvili. "This was preposterous. I said the delegation must have more cars. He said there is another car but its tyre is flat too. At this point I knew it was a trap and I was very angry."

Before Mr Yakobashvili left the South Ossetian capital, Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili was preparing to make a ceasefire declaration on national television.

But as he came off air, he was handed a folder containing what the Georgians claim were US-provided satellite photos of a column of Russian armour advancing towards the Roki tunnel, the passageway that links South Ossetia to Russia.

source

Originally posted by Rentor
CNN TV: Ukraine to accept U.S Missile shield into their lands,even though its not confirmed when. Moscow is very angry at Ukraine.

This is a disaster if it's true. For the world. Seriously. Russia will now aim nuclear missiles at most of Europe. They will surely cut gas this winter, increasing even more tensions.

This is not looking good at all. What next? Ukraine going in NATO?

Let's hope this is not true and that the pro-Russian factions in Ukraine take over.

Originally posted by Rentor
CNN TV: Ukraine to accept U.S Missile shield into their lands,even though its not confirmed when. Moscow is very angry at Ukraine.

Will not happen with the current government. Even if Yuschenko want to place the ABM there, the Parliament RADA will block it - at least with its current politicians.

It seems that Russia has pulled-off a tactical coup in the broader sense...

Look at it this way, for a US-led offensive on Iran to take place, which would threaten the safety of tankers passing through the Straits of Hormuz and sky-rocket the price per barrel of M.E. oil, the only other mass-export oil transit routes would be the pipelines such as the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan that pass through Georgian territory

In a stroke, Russia has shown just how fragile those two bottle-necks are and just how easy it would be to choke off oil exports from that entire region

thought this might be interesting ..strange it should happen in the same week....
the leading opponent of Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili, has died 'suspiciously' in the UK.

Flamboyant billionaire Badri Patarkatsishvili, 52, was found dead at his home in Leatherhead, Surrey, at about 11pm on Tuesday night.
"I have 120 bodyguards but I know that's not enough. I don't feel safe anywhere and that is why I'm particularly not going to Georgia" - Badri Patarkatsishvili

He had suffered heart failure, but the cause of this condition is still unknown, a source close to his family said. Mr Patarkatsishvili's colleagues in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, have called for an inquiry.

A Surrey Police spokeswoman said: "Police were called to an address in Leatherhead late yesterday evening following the collapse and death of Georgian businessman Badri Patarkatsishvili, believed to be 52 years of age.

"As with all unexplained deaths, it is being treated as suspicious. A post-mortem examination will be held later today to establish the cause of death."

Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky, who was also a friend of murdered Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko, said: "It happened at 11pm at Badri's house outside London. As far as I know from his relatives, it was his heart."

Mr Patarkatsishvili had been living in the UK since last year after Georgian authorities accused him of plotting a coup against the president and issued a warrant for his arrest.

Authorities blamed him and the television station which he owned for stirring mass protests against President Saakashvili on the streets of Georgia last November.

The anti-corruption protests were crushed when Mr Saakashvili sent in riot police to fire rubber bullets and teargas at demonstrators, sparking international condemnation.

Mr Patarkatsishvili, who made his fortune in Russia during the 1990s, ran in Georgia's presidential election in January and got 7 per cent of the votes but did not return to campaign in his homeland for fear of arrest.

Following the election, a Georgian court seized his TV station and other assets.

In December, UK reports emerged of an alleged plot to murder Mr Patarkatsishvili but the Georgian government dismissed the claims.

The Sunday Times published extracts of a tape recording of a conversation said to have taken place between an official from the Georgian interior ministry and a possible hitman.

The two men allegedly discussed two options for making Mr Patarkatsishvili "disappear completely".

One, which bore similarities to the murder of Mr Litvinenko in London in November 2006, involved murdering the tycoon during one of his regular visits to the capital. The other was to kill him as he flew in his private jet to his castle in southern Georgia.

Mr Patarkatsishvili told the newspaper: "I know about this tape and I was told it was very serious. I have 120 bodyguards but I know that's not enough. I don't feel safe anywhere and that is why I'm particularly not going to Georgia."

reply to post by chips


Is there a widespread concerted push ? whole border?

Originally posted by fatdad
thought this might be interesting ..strange it should happen in the same week....
the leading opponent of Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili, has died 'suspiciously' in the UK.

yeah right.... just like Dr David Kelly, the British WMD expert.

Real power plays are at work here, I mean if you believe in the conspiracy angle, would have to be CIA mI5 or Georgian Secret Services!

But that is ahem...mmmm just fantasy of course.

would make a good 007 book!

maybe even a film!

Kind Regards,

Elf.

[edit on 16-8-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Ukraine says it wants to join other European nations to establish a ballistic missile shield defense system. Ukraine foreign ministry spokeswoman Liubov Abravitova didn't specify, however, if the country was referring to the same missile shield now being developed by the United States, Poland and the Czech Republic, CNN reported Saturday. That effort has drawn sharp criticism from Russia, which believes the anti-missile system is aimed at diminishing Moscow's influence in Eastern Europe. The United States says the anti-missile defense is designed to counter missiles launched from "rogue states" such as Iran. Ukraine's statement comes after its application to join NATO was tabled earlier this year in the face of strong resistance from Russia, CNN reported.

www.politicalgateway.com...

This is Russia next target,since Ukraine is to get missiles shield and join NATO.Also i heard somewhere from Ukraine that Russian troops are built up by Ukraine border just like what happen to Georgia.Their just waiting for the right moment to strike

Originally posted by Rentor



Also i heard somewhere from Ukraine that Russian troops are built up by Ukraine border just like what happen to Georgia.Their just waiting for the right moment to strike

Wha?!?!?

Source please...you just can't say you "read something somewhere or other and it said this I think for quite certain..." and then leave us hangin'. Not cool.

reply to post by pluckynoonez

Source please...you just can't say you "read something somewhere or other and it said this I think for quite certain..." and then leave us hangin'. Not cool.

Yes I would like the source for that as well. I read that and had to re-read twice. I haven't read anything about that.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Sorry its just a Rumor i read,Nothing to really confirm this.But makes sense because there is a Russian base 20miles away from Ukraine border

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