Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Who knows, Jack!

BREAKING - SKY TV (REUTERS): Russia says Georgian forces shooting at their positions in South Ossetia.

reply to post by misswanderer31


STAR for you my friend

What... I thought things were calming down...

I go out for a drink, and watch the metor shower, and it starts back up again...


Thats IT, im going to sleep now...


If we're alive in the moarning, then we'll know we're not dead....

Slightly OT, but is a direct effect of this conflict as is mentioned in the article:

Polish PM says U.S. shield deal seems nearer

...He said Polish demands for a permanent U.S. military presence in Poland and commitment to boost Polish defenses as part of the deal were taken more seriously by the United States in view of the conflict between Russia and Georgia.

U.S. negotiators were due in Warsaw on Wednesday for the next round of talks on the shield, which Washington wants to deploy in central Europe against ballistic missiles that could be fired by what it calls rogue states.

The United States wants to deploy 10 rocket interceptors in Poland and a radar in the neighboring Czech Republic as part of the missile shield...

reply to post by misswanderer31


I don't see why you are arguing with me. That was my point entirely. The TV stations are so closely controlled with respect to content that they are effectively state-run.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

Did Nazi Germany (after annexing Austria) had all the rights to grant mass citizenship to Suddeten Germans - citizens of Czechoslovakia who did not want to be its citizens? You of course know how it ended. Russia is not Nazi Germany, by far. But this is the same tactics being used.

Most Chechens did not want to be in Russia and would prefer other citizenship - and how it ended? So if ,say, US offered them one - would it make it OK to you? Russia is less guilty then Georgia but it did a lot for this conflict to catch fire. Peacekeepers, after all. Like NATO in former Yugoslavia.

I am not educated enough about Nazi Germany to make an educated comment on the subject.

But as far as comparing Chechens and S Ossetians is concerned its like telling both Grass hooper and Horse belong to the same species because both of them eat grass ...
Chechens DIDNOT want to be Russian Citizens while The S .Ossetians DO want to be Russian Citizens for
1 Ethnicity
2 material meeds (Russian GDP per capita 5 times than of Georgia )
3 Protection from ethnic Georgians

Russia Doesnt need to force them...Georgia have already forced them with no other option other than Russian citizenship for the 3 reasons mentioned above .

reply to post by pause4thought


Don't forget, besides slicing another part of Georgia off for Russia, it also provides a location for a warm water port-something Russia deperatly needs/wants.

Like I said before, this invasion by Russia will not be over until it can put a Russian puppet government in Georgia.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


I believe you are reading the runes correctly. Russia has a great deal to gain from this in the long term. It may well be more important to them than the opinion of the rest of the world. In fact, it's pretty certain that is the case.

reply to post by pause4thought


I apologise if I caused offence but going back and reading your post was not what I got from it. It was the opposite actually. But anyways you are right, the TV stations, radios and newspapers are under extreme tight control by the government.

reply to post by RenegadePsycho


According to Reuters: as of 9:33 EST

MOSCOW/TBILISI (Reuters) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered a halt to military operations in Georgia on Tuesday, saying Moscow had achieved its objectives by punishing Tbilisi.

Just before meeting French President Nicolas Sarkozy for peace talks at the Kremlin, Medvedev issued instructions to Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to "stop the operation to force Georgian authorities to peace".

"The aim of the operation has been achieved," Medvedev said in televised remarks. "...The aggressor has been punished and has suffered very considerable losses."

BTW bush minor doesn't have a leg to stand on taking Russia to task for invading another country.

reply to post by misswanderer31


No offence. I've just added "censored by the West" to clarify that post. (I remember very clearly when St. Petersburg's (top-rated) independent TV station was shamelessly shut down years ago. Western media just never seemed to realise the enormity of the implications of such moves. The signs have been there a long long time. Russia is now ruled by oligarchs with the same mentality as those in power throughout the 20th century. It's just the 'Communism' label that's been dumped. You clearly understand this.)

Georgia was, admittedly, too brash with its rhetoric and too bold with its self-assertiveness. I have to agree with many that the leadership does not emerge looking too clever. The problem is that having been occupied by Russia for decades Georgians are passionately patriotic, and not inclined to deal in compromise solutions - which are the basis of realpolitik.

www.interfax.ru...

INTERFAX.RU - Federal Customs Service (FTS) RF opened "green corridor" for the passage of refugees, humanitarian goods and military equipment through multilateral para car passes (MAPP) "Nizhny Zaramag" on the border with South Ossetia.
As the "Interfax" Deputy Director of Public Relations FTS Vladimir Zubkov, "green corridor" established taking into account the prevailing situation in the region. "It is not only about refugees, but also on military and humanitarian goods" - explained interlocutor Agency, while specifying that the item works round the clock and refugees created all the advantages, because "people are fleeing from there with a small number of things."
The decision to impose "green corridor" was taken in consultation with border control services.

Good morning ATS!



[edit on 12-8-2008 by Digital_Reality]

Saakashvili is giving a live press conference. He claims that Russia:

- Is involved in ethnic cleansing in the Abkhazian region

- Is carpet bombing civilian areas

- Is waging a 'campaign of terror'

- Has been deliberately striking Georgian oil pipelines

- Is carrying out executions

- Is targeting journalists and law enforcement officers

- Is lying to the UN and continues to strike Georgian territory

He said there will be no surrender, and that Georgia is going to leave the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Originally posted by chips
...and that Georgia is going to leave the Commonwealth of Independent States.

That gives Russia another reason to remove Saakasvilli from power.

update


Georgian army continue to fire at Russian peacemakers posts

BBC TV - BREAKING - Georgian PM: Russia hit oil pipeline.

LONDON (AP) -- BP PLC says it has shut down an oil pipeline that runs through Georgia as a precautionary measure, but says that it's unaware of any Russian bombings on pipelines in the region.

BP says it closed the 90,000-barrel-a-day Baku-Supsa pipeline earlier Tuesday.

Another pipeline operated by the London-based oil company in the former Soviet Republic, the larger Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, is already out of action after a fire last week on its Turkish stretch.

BP (BP) spokesman Robert Wine says that the Baku-Supsa line had been closed because it runs through central Georgia, where there is greater risk of conflict.

However, he adds that BP has had no reports of damage to pipelines in Georgia.

A third pipeline in Georgia that BP uses to export oil, but does not operate, remains open.

Mm.

BBC TV - AP: BP shuts down one of 3 Georgian pipelines.

Told you, Harlequin.

Saakashvili is giving a live press conference. He claims that Russia:


- Is involved in ethnic cleansing in the Abkhazian region

proof?

- Is carpet bombing civilian areas

proof of carpet bombs?

- Is waging a 'campaign of terror'

Oh really? Let's remember how the whole conflict started - Georgian army targeting civilian blocks killin at least 1600 people? Yes.

- Has been deliberately striking Georgian oil pipelines

proof?

- Is carrying out executions

proof?

- Is targeting journalists and law enforcement officers

Sorry, but being a journalist in a war is risky - no proof of "targeting" whatsoever.

- Is lying to the UN and continues to strike Georgian territory

What about Georgian military still targeting Russian soldiers?

Originally posted by chips
BBC TV - BREAKING - Georgian PM: Russia hit oil pipeline.

The war is far from over...