An Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good

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Yes I have looked into these things. I've often wondered if this may be the reason new species seem to just appear out of nowhere in the fossil record. It appears we enter this area in space in a natural cycle. Each time we do it has an effect on our evolution. This sounds very far out. Evidence is mounting to support this eg David Wilcocks and other Russian scientists. The Mayans also, who were obsessed with time keeping seem to be aware of this with their long count calender.

As far as the time line issue I've thought about this also.

Time line Dynamics

The rules of time travel are rooted in quantum physics. Understanding these rules reveals much about the behavior of hyperdimensional beings and the reason for certain metaphysical laws. Timeline dynamics is essentially about temporal feedback loops between the present and its available range of probable futures. This is just realm dynamics reinterpreted from the perspective of linear time, which affords additional insights as you will see. Although timeline dynamics sounds abstract, it has concrete applications pertaining to manifesting positive synchronicities, deflecting hyperdimensional manipulation, bending probability, and transcending matrix limitations.

The Nature of Linear Time

A good place to start would be to recap the nature of time. Linear time is the constant flow of variable futures into a single immutable past. Every moment of choice involves multiple optional pathways into the future. Each path is a deterministic chain of effects cascading forward like dominoes toward the next moment of choice whereupon another branching takes place.

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chemtrails are a part of the NATO Aerosolized Defense System. Here is an example of it being tested during a meteor shower.

A new Defense System?

(scroll 2/3 of the way down the page)

Here is another non-animated example:

Hidden Right out In the Open...

An Attempt To Discredit the Discoverer

Scroll Down halfway.

Nice posts Swingarm & Truelight.

reply to post by TruthTellist


Hey TruthTellist !

Thanks for the links. It's becoming to me, not that big a mystery why chemtrails are so violently rejected in many threads. Not just on this site but many others as well. I'm not saying weedwacker and essan oz etc. I have noticed many places where people who discuss chemtrails are swarmed buy "sensible" people who hold on to their views very tightly and can get quite hostile at people who suggest something outside there views. Or they will completely muddy the discussion by focusing on there own apparent qualifications. This particular research falls outside the realm of normal meteorology and aviation that is clear. Your links are interesting indeed, the first I've seen of them. Thanks again.


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Not aerosol. Plasma. You are in HARRP territory. HARRP and Chemtrails are two different things, aren't they?

Yes they're like bread and butter. Thanks for pointing this out.More realizations like this and you will begin to understand there is a much larger picture emerging. Bigger than you could ever imagine.

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I'm not special (well ok I am). I'm open to discussion no periods or finals for me in regard to chemtrails or contrails or spraying through contrails. The title of this thread illustrates where some are coming from in regards to what is happening. Education is good. Military agendas are hidden to even high ranking officials with in the military. You can deny chemtrails all you like. The proof is laking on both sides. The track record of the government put the odds in the favor of believers IMO.

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Good Lord mystiq, what a terrible thing to have happened. At such a low altitude too. I posted a link on the previous page with a little summary of the content. The link was to here Sars and Chemtrails. I hope your son gets some healing somehow. Maybe colloidal silver might help? There are some bad products online, so if you choose to try it you have to research thoroughly(no dairy suspention). Or a homemade hulda clark zapper or something similar. Wish I could help more

. Best wishes to you both.

Take Care.

Well we're trying to accomplish another move in the next couple of months away from Chilliwack, back to my beloved Okanagan to support my brilliant son(over 90% grades in everything including physics and computer science who is in his second year and attempting it now without a student loan). A little later this year I intend to look into some of the products available, such as the one you just mentioned. I actually liked what I saw on Dr. Deagle's website, including things for my thyroid and chronic fatigue syndrome. Currently, only have health for 3-4 months of summer sunshine, then I join my son in being sick all the time, and slow down to a crawl for 8 months of the year myself.
And yes, it was horrendous!

Also, I intend to do some research on the mayor at the time, and probably contact him. In the US, the bills that attempted to protect people from the likes of chemtrails were not passed and all it took was the approval of a bought off mayor to dump anything on us from viruses, to chemicals. Even here in Canada, this must have been approved. I'm also wondering if our medicare would pay for some heavy metal testing, as I'd like to get my son tested more extensively.

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Ionization of plasma....

Ions are charged particles. Particulates.

Also see Barry Coble, "Benign Weather Modification" (school of advanced airpower studies, March '97). On page 5, he talks about "tracers" used with cloud seeding (to see how the benign particulates used to seed clouds for various purposes) disperses through the atmosphere. Those tracers are composed of aluminum glass and sulfur hexafluoride.

Also see Dr. Len Horowitz, "Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare".

A.K. Johnston, PhD. "UFO tactics: Weather Shield to Chemtrails".

K. Ya. Kondratyev, : "Climatic Effects of Aerosols and Clouds".

William Thomas, "Chemtrails Confirmed".

Tim Swartz and Timothy Beckley, "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla: HAARP-Chemtrails and Secret of Alternative 4".

Ed Regis, "The Biology of Doom: America's Secret Germ Warfare Project".

J.D. Aber and K.J. Nadelhoffer, "Nitrogen Saturation in Northern Forest Ecosystems." Bioscience, 39 (1989) pages 378-386

American Geophysical Union, "Jet contrails to be significant climate factor by 2050," AGU press release no. 99-19, 6/21/99

R.B. Ames and W.C. Malm, "Estimating the Contribution of the Mohave Coal-fired Power Plant Emissions to Atmospheric Extinction at Grand Canyon National Park." In Visual Air Quality" Aerosols and Global Radiation Balance, Air and Waste Management Association, Pittsburgh, Pa., 683-697, 1997.

Marcus Dalton, "Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas." Las Vegas Tribune, vol. 7 Issue 3, 8/19/05

S.L. Baughcum, "Subsonic aircraft emission inventories, In:Atmospheric Effects of Aviation:First Report of the Subsonic Assessment Project." NASA RP-1385, pp. 15-29, 1996

Bill Gallagher, "Chemical Aurora Keyhole Surveillance." Arizona Indymedia, May 2004

Laura Kelly, "Mysterious powder shrouds area." The Alpenhorn News, Feb. 2006

D.M. Hunten, "Residence Times of Aerosols and Gases in the Stratosphere." Geophysical Research Letters 2(1): 26-27, 1975

A.C. Mueller, "The Effects of Particulates from Solid Rocket Motors Fired in Space." Advances in Space Research 5(2): 77-86, 1985.

U. Schumann, "In Situ Observations of Particles in Jet Aircraft Exhausts and Contrails for Different Sulfur-Containing Fuels." Journal of Geographical Research, Vol. 101, Issue D3, 1996.

There's plenty more evidence out there but I've got company coming so I'll be back later. Hopefully everyone now has enough to read to come to an informed conclusion. If not, I'll present more.

Enjoying the discussion,
whitewave

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Thanks for the list of patents and further reading on this topic. You did a good job of providing further reference. Much appreciated.

My pleasure. It's an interesting topic which affects us all. I don't doubt that chemicals are being placed in the contrail streams; I just don't know why.

If the chemicals are being used as a kind of sunscreen for the planet then it's a good thing. I can understand TPTB not wanting to spread the news that our ozone can no longer protect us from UV light and other hazardous radiation. IF that's what it's for.

I suspect (not sure) that there's a more nefarious purpose, in which case I'd like to know how to counter the effects. People all over are complaining of effects after the sky was filled with "contrails". If it's a cure for ozone depletion then the cure is worse than the cause for it.

I'm interested in discovering the purpose not endlessly debating whether or not the danger exists. I understand that collaborative efforts to discover a purpose can not proceed unless the participants actually believe in the phenomenon so I present evidence.

There's no "smoking gun" but there is a heavy preponderance of evidence pointing to the existence of chemtrails.

looks like the Op and his side kick may have been scared off knowing
they have run out of ways to attempt to debunk the amazing information
offered here.
I would imagine that they are busy formulating their next round of de-bunking.

so much for the Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good...

Originally posted by Maya432
looks like the Op and his side kick may have been scared off knowing
they have run out of ways to attempt to debunk the amazing information
offered here.
I would imagine that they are busy formulating their next round of de-bunking.

so much for the Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good...

I rather think that the last comment shows a problem wth the current popularity of ATS/

The OP actually knows a bit about what he's talking about. THIS latest comment from 'Maya' shows a complete ignorance.

Guess we need others to judge....many read, many may comment. It's your turn to comment!

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"I rather think that the last comment shows a problem wth the current popularity of ATS/

The OP actually knows a bit about what he's talking about. THIS latest comment from 'Maya' shows a complete ignorance.

Guess we need others to judge....many read, many may comment. It's your turn to comment!"

OK...
He was making an observation. A comment, an opinion. What is the problem with the current ATS ? Is it, that it WAS a secure debunkers site that has been slipping in it's debunking success ? I don't think his comment shows complete ignorance at all, this poster knows a bit about what he's talking about. we deny ignorance Please let us do our job

HAARP, Earthquakes, and Hurricanes

montalk.net :: (CC) 14 July 08

Can HAARP manipulate storms, hurricanes, and earthquakes? There is definitely a correlation between these and when HAARP is active. This article will give some examples of that correlation. And while that alone does not prove a direct causal relationship, the physics of HAARP and the political agenda behind the program suggest that weather and earthquake manipulation is both possible and likely.

montalk.net...

:Back In 1970, former National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in Between Two Ages, that:
"By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm..."

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reply to post by Maya432


Some of us have given up repeating ourselves and in any case there are still numerous different and contradictory ideas being bandied about here. As I said before, we need a separate thread for each different theory on what chemtrails are, how they are formed, by whom and why. Then we can properly evaluate each one to consider its possible feasibility, merits and flaws. Until then there seems little point in engaging in discussion. Especially when I know most people here have no intention of learning more about atmospheric processes before they jump to conclusions

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Swingarm, Try placing the three prominent 'debunkist skepticus' on your ignore list and THEN review this thread.

It is far more educational when you view it from such a perspective.

The information that you and others have presented is extremely valuable and far more visible in this light.

Keep fighting the good fight, but try my suggestion out. The thread looks way better

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