An Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good

Originally posted by missvicky
reply to post by Essan

 

I think you just like to fight.

No like to try and educate people. I just happen to know a lot about clouds. Because it's what I'm interested in. Maybe that's a bit sad. But does it mean I'm wrong?

If you saw a strange bird in your garden, would you believe an ornithologist if he told you what he thought it was?

Trails made from chemicals are a bona fide fact.

Air and ground contamination is a fact.

So why is it done?

Its not because Truman got A bombs supplied by the Illuminati
from Norway.

Its not because Von Braun worked on the two potential saucer
project in New Mexico before WWII under the guise of replacing
Willy Ley in the Guggenheim funded Rocket Society with Dr. Goddard
and returned after the war. Conveniently arranged by the Intel
community of the Illuminati.

Why waste money on trail making with chemicals.
They hide the Tesla flying machine that has no trail.
An ingenious solution to have UFOs flying over our noses.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Hmm. Well here in Reno we get airplanes in the spring and summer that release the clouds of fumes from whatever they may be..I just figured this was the silver iodide mixture(Which is not pure silver iodide). These clouds linger on all day long until the night time wind pushes them out. They form a criss-cross pattern in the sky when doing so. They do this at different altitudes and it usually happens every day for about 6 hours or so.


Next time this happens I'll be sure to update this thread with photos and video.

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reply to post by projectvxn


We should capture their N numbers and the spray mechanism in a
photo and run down to the airport to talk to the pilot to find
out what he is doing.

Interesting job for investigative reporters who know where not to
go by now.

Then make an up front in their face interview and send it to the
governor of the state.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Well what are we going to tell the governor? We don't actually know what's in that spray mixture. I don't know if there are other chemicals aside from the silver iodide mixtures used when seeding clouds. I have know way of independently verifying that this mixture is indeed non-toxic. There is such a thing as scientific fraud:

Here's a study on it:
www.uow.edu.au...

and a few articles:
seattlepi.nwsource.com...

www.nature.com...

physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com...


Matter of fact there enough concern within the many disciplines of Science about the potential impacts of such practices. I speculate that at least 15 to 20 % of scientific fraud can be explained by deliberate government actions. Be it military, medical, or social programs dedicated to each subject. Not to mention technology research and exploitation. They are often proven to have technology 50 years ahead of current private sector technology and research.

This said, when one sees research material one must have the objectivity needed to figure out what does and does not fit. When we're dealing with this sort of subject especially with the sorts of accusations being thrown around it is prudent that we know exactly what we're dealing with.

Video footage(or even a scientific journal entry) is not going to provide "proof" of anything prosecutable, should there be anything there in the first place.

reply to post by Swingarm

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Originally posted by neformore
Unless its sprayed immediately above the ground and I'll qualify that as under 300ft - as in the case of crop dusting, or water bombing, or its radioactive, or its a chunk of the plane itself (or a bomb) or one of the very rare cases of blue ice there is - and excuse the bold - no way in hell that anyone can link anything at ground level with aircraft.

Are you prepared to take the Karma for it? You are very convinced they don't exist. You have freewill. Would you be prepared to state here that if they do exist you will take the effects of any health damage caused to other people by chemical loaded trails? Are you confident enough for that?

Best Wishes.

Edit same question to Weedwhacker, Essan and Ozweatherman. Can you take the karma that people are reassured by you and then in danger. How confident are you. God reads this forum, as He is omnipotent. Stand up and take the karmic reaction, He will know if your heart is true or not. That is what drives me to find the truth you see. I would hate to unwittingly give wrong information, so I am determined to explore every avenue. Did that make sense?

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[edit on 17/0808/08 by neformore]

Weather modification patents. The following list begins with the patent number followed by the date granted and then by the title.

6569393-5/27/03-Method and Device for Cleaning the Atmosphere.
6520425-2/18/03-Proces and Apparatus for the Production of Nanofibers.
6412416-7/2/02-Propellant-Based Aerosol Generation Devices and Method.
6315213-11/13/01-Method of Modifying Weather.
6263744-7/24/01-Automated Mobility-Classified-Aerosol Detector.
6056203-5/2/00-Method and Apparatus for Modifying Supercooled Clouds.
6030506-2/29/00-Preparation of Independently Generated Highly Reactive Chemical Species.
5984239-11/16/99-Weather Modification by Artificial Satellite.
5762298-6/9/98-Use of Artificial Satellites in Earth Orbits Adaptively to Modify the Effect that Solar Radiation Would Otherwise Have on Earth's Weather.
5628455-5/13/97-Method and Apparatus for Modification of Supercooled Fog.
5286979-2/15/94-Process for Absorbing Ultraviolet Radiation Using Dispersed Melanin.
5104069-4/114/92-Apparatus and Method for Ejecting Matter from an Aircraft.
5038664-8/13/94-Method for Producing a Shell of Relativisitic Particles at an Altitude Above the Earth's Surface.
4999637-3/12/91-Creation of Artificial Ionization Clouds Above the Earth.
4873928-10/17/89-Nuclear-Sized Explosions without Radiation.
4686605-8/11/87-Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere.
5218374-6/8/93-Power Beaming System with Printer Circuit Radiating Elements Having Resonating Cavities.


This is not even half of 2 pages of the 9 pages available citing patents for weather modification given in Smith's "Weather Warfare" book.

There is also a bibliography of related reading material. I have yet to read all the 31 PAGES of other sources cited but it does point to a preponderance of evidence in favor of chemtrails.

No disrespect at all intended to the OP who is quite knowledgeable in his field of study. I work with doctors who, admittedly, are much more educated than me and yet few of them know half as much about proven methods of alternative medicine as I do. The point being: just because you're educated in a given curriculum does not mean you know about other aspects of the given subject.

I would respectfully request that the OP investigate the sources cited and give us his opinion on the science involved. Thanks in advance for your time and interest in a subject that involves us all.

reply to post by neformore


It's fine. The tagline of this site is.. "Uncovering Government Secrets".

I am just one of many, who came to this site to research and uncover government secrets. I find that on this particular thread some persons will not even consider looking at the raft of corroborative data in support of chemtrails. People on this thread have provided an enourmous amount of supporting data, patents, pictures, videos. They have supplied numerous links to independant websites, and professionally presented information from meteorologists and renowned scientists.

And in return what do these people get for their hard efforts and research? They get bad mouthed and slighted by the people in support of the government line. Who refuse to entertain the idea that a conspiracy is present, and further refuse to acknowledge the evidence presented.

You can take this attitude and apply it to UFOs too. If everyone stoped researching the government stories. What would happen to this site?

Best Wishes.

Originally posted by neformore
We really need to clear this up - Essan touched on it above - define what exactly is a "chemtrail"?

A chemtrail is a trail laid in the sky that isn't made of just water vapour. In other words it is not a contrail. Which is made of water vapour. Spray height for chemtrails is suggested as being 12,000-20,000 feet. Well below normal flight paths for commercial jets which fly at 30k ft. Some say 30k ft spreading happens also. I cannot say.

Best Wishes.

Originally posted by whitewave
I would respectfully request that the OP investigate the sources cited and give us his opinion on the science involved. Thanks in advance for your time and interest in a subject that involves us all.

Nice work whitewave I don't know if these guys will entertain the fact that there are government conspiracies. But that book looks like a good read.

Best Wishes.

reply to post by TrueLight


I agree, I asked this yesterday of essan and weedwacker: It would be interesting to see where they stand on these issues.

I like to ask both of of you fellas were you sit on other conspirtiatorial topics.Would you mind answering these questions

Is it possible Chemtrails could be real ?

Is HAARP real or imagined in its diabolical use? What is the role of HAARP?

Was 911 an inside job?

Does the Illuminati exist?

Is the federal reserve a fraudulent banking scam?

Is the USA really under British control ?

Is the IRS an organized crime ring?

Are you an artificial person in the eyes of government statutes.

Does the federal government give two sh!ts about you beyond your money making slave status?

Do you generally reject ideas outside the comfort zone of what comes from your nightly news commentary?

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reply to post by neformore


"no way in hell....etc., etc."

5038664-8/13/94-Method for Producing a Shell of Relativisitic Particles at an Altitude Above the Earth's Surface.

Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb, proposed lacing the sky with heavy metal particles to counteract the effects of global warming. Did someone finally listen to him?

The Geneva Convention, enforced beginning 10/5/78, is titled: Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques. Obviously, it was well known all the way back in December of 1976, when the Convention was adopted by the UN General Assembly, that weather could be weaponized. If there's a military advantage to be had, do you think a country would NOT use it?

Everyone knows what a contrail is and I understand that because of an improved fan design, the contrails will persist in the atmosphere longer than they used to. That, in and of itself, is not evidence of chemtrails.

Particulate matter in the air is called an aerosol. Notice all the patents refering to aerosols. I think it's obvious that aerosols are being used, not just in American air space, but globally. It may be for benign purposes but I don't think the actual use of chemtrails can seriously be denied. There is overwhelming evidence for them. The trick is to find out why.

reply to post by TrueLight

One important point that Dmitriev stresses is that this is not just his own hypothesis:

A greater number of specialists in climatology, geophysics, planetophysics and heliophysics are tending towards a cosmic causative sequence version for what is happening.

Indeed, events of the last decade give strong evidence of unusually significant heliospheric and planetophysical transformations. [emphasis added]

Furthermore, Dmitriev acknowledges that the changes we have observed are forcing a completely different and more highly integrated view of the Cosmos to the discussion table. In this new model,

The climatic and biosphere processes here on Earth (through a tightly connected feedback system) are directly impacted by, and linked back to, the general overall transformational processes taking place in our Solar System.

We must begin to organize our attention and thinking to understand that climatic changes on Earth are only one part, or link, in a whole chain of events taking place in the Heliosphere. [emphasis added]

The case for such an energetic interconnectedness has already been well established in our previous chapters.

Another important quote says that “these tendencies [of rapid catastrophic changes on Earth] may be traced in the direction of a growth in planetary energy capacity (capacitance), which leads to a highly excited or charged state in some of Earth’s systems.”

In the aetheric cosmology that we have presented so far in this book, any spherical vortex of aether, such as the Earth’s luminous plasma core, is capable of absorbing and discharging energy much like a capacitor would do in an electronic circuit.

As established in previous chapters, luminous plasma has strong electromagnetic as well as torsion-field (gravispin) radiation.

Dmitriev concludes that “the most intense transformations [in the Solar System] are taking place in the planetary gas-plasma envelopes,” and that these transformations are directly associated with how life on Earth (the biosphere) is able to function.

A “gas-plasma envelope” is the combined entity of the layers of our atmosphere, our ionosphere of “charged particles”, and the planet’s magnetic field composition, such as the Van Allen belts. This “excess energy run-off” is becoming increasingly visible in the following ways:

In the ionosphere by plasma generation.
In the magnetosphere by magnetic storms.
In the atmosphere by cyclones.
All of these high-energy atmospheric phenomena are “now becoming more frequent, intense and changed in [their] nature. The material composition of the gas-plasma envelope is also being transformed.” All of these points will be touched upon again later in the chapter.

One of Dmitriev’s key concerns in this study is the effect that these changes will have on all lifeforms on the Earth.

Using very carefully crafted language, Dmitriev ultimately shows an appreciation for the fact that these changes could lead to a spontaneous mass evolution of humanity as we now know it, creating “new and deeper qualities of life” with “new organismic possibilities of perfection”
:

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The fifth type of torsion generator employs a combination of the principles described above. For instance, a combination of high-frequency electromagnetic oscillations and topological effect (shape effect) is used in the generators developed by Yu.V.Tszyan Kanchzhen. (The operation of his devices was interpreted as "high-frequency bio-communication".) Fig.5 shows the diagram of Tszyan Kanchzhen's torsion generator. The object 6 (e.g. a hen) is placed into the receiver-enclosure 5. Another object 4 (e.g. a duck) is placed into the transmitter-enclosure. The transmitter-enclosure is a three-dimensional shape consisting of pentagon 1. Cones 2 are placed on the sides of these pentagons. The object 4 is subjected to the influence of a generator of high-frequency (~ 11 GHz) electromagnetic oscillations 3. The torsion component of these EM ocsillations excites the torsion field of object 4. This torsion field is also intensified by the topological effect of 1,2. The excited torsion field is concentrated at the tops of the cones 2 and then is directed to the receiver-enclosure 5. As a rule, a several-day stay of objects 4 and 6 in them resulted in following. If a hen is placed in the receiver-enclosure and a duck is placed in the transmitter-enclosure, then a hen gradually starts to look like a duck. (For instance, a hen gained duck webs and etc.)

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There are reasons why the elite of the world would want this done. The poisoning is likley a different program altogether. More along the lines of what is outlined in the Georgia guide stones.

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reply to post by Swingarm


It made me wonder, a while ago, what some of the purposes might be for spraying chemtrails. One of the possible conclusions that I reached was that it was, in fact, a way to stop human consciousness evolution. I suppose if a large amount of people "wake-up" then the string pullers at the pentagon and its counterparts, will find it difficult to hide. Or maybe the thesis that they are trying to restart a timeloop is possible. So many possibilities. How deep does the rabbit hole go? Have you ever look into any of these possibilities I've mentioned swing?

Best Wishes.