An Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good

Originally posted by TruthTellist
In fact, the growing consensus amongst the non -'debunkist skepticus' is that it is NATO planes doing this - debunkists say otherwise.

[edit on 13/0808/08 by neformore]

Weedwhacker appears to be winding people up neformore. I think that is why some are taking exception to some of his comments. For instance, Truthtellist gets his post removed for accusing weedwhacker of being a disnfo agent. Weedwhacker accused myself of being a disnfo agent a page or two earlier. Something like "Thanks Oz at least now we know the disnfo one", probably edited by now. Then take this example...

I posted a link and asked weedwhackers opinion on it, I got this response:

Page 12 posted on 9-8-2008 @ 09:44 PM

OMG, TL....

Alright, I will not debunk what your linked in, because it is pseudoscience, in my opinion. THAT is MY opinion!!


I then brought him up for mentioning fairy dust in the same post as I found it rude. To which I got this....


posted on 10-8-2008 @ 06:06 PM single this post "quote"REPLY TO:

TL....I haven't even read your link to ions yet!! But, as usual, you attack anyway. Good show, old chap!!


If you care to notice, he is accusing links of being pseudo science, and then after being pulled up on it, claiming he never read the link in the first place. This IS disnfo.

Now whilst I don't personally give a monkeys arse as I am an adult, it does appear to me that truthtellist is being singled out here. So I think he should either be left alone, or weedwhacker should receive the same polite advice/scrutiny.

Just thought I should bring this to your attension for the sake of a fair debate

Debunk chemtrails all you want! However that will never change the face that just over 3 years ago, in Penticton BC, Canada, what appeared to be American military jets flew low over the subsidized townhouses we were living in. It sounded like we were being bombed, and we ran out. A cloud of spray was being left.
The next morning dark sludge was on my van and back porch. My 17 year old has never been healthy since. He has missed so much school, his immune system all but died. He has been tested frequently but they can't find it. I however am highly suspicious and know, doesn't matter what you debunk, I know. I know the world we live in. I also, when it happened, phoned my friend up, and we both talked about it. We both knew they were trying to kill people and had gotten approval to do it in the poor neighbourhoods. We knew it as well. That was before I even found out about chemtrails.

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Thank you for your reply neformore. I don't feel strongly about it, just making the facts known. Apologies for directing the comment at yourself, I am a relatively new member, I assumed you had moderative power in this thread. I shant take it further, I can't bring myself to be that petty.

Best Wishes.

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Good Lord mystiq, what a terrible thing to have happened. At such a low altitude too. I posted a link on the previous page with a little summary of the content. The link was to here Sars and Chemtrails. I hope your son gets some healing somehow. Maybe colloidal silver might help? There are some bad products online, so if you choose to try it you have to research thoroughly(no dairy suspention). Or a homemade hulda clark zapper or something similar. Wish I could help more . Best wishes to you both.

Take Care.

sorry I couldn't read all the posts but i was almost there then i realised i already read the main points i wanted from the thread. i know that chemtrails (chemical trails from a plane) is happening, at the very least to modify the weather (according to government websites). not sure if someone said this already but anyone know about LBAM project here in california? google it please because it's very disturbing indeed. they spray using planes to get rid of moths that aren't really there and lots of people have gotten really sick, that same time they did it tons of dead birds were found on the coast with some strange goo all over them, some white foam all up on the shore. wtf damn it. goodbye blue skies? I HAVE A RIGHT TO CLEAN OXYGEN!! i think i heard the nazinator had been convinced to "STOP THE SPRAY" for awhile until scientists can prove moths are a problem. but he can/may spray anyways? if so, it's supposed to happen soon. somebody with the help of the nazi illuminati pope, probably with the help of our nazi president stole like trillions of dollars right b4 9/11 and i hope it isn't going to this depopulation plan and i hope it doesn't have any connection with the fema camps, or the upcoming ww3 with iran (bible prophecy needing to occur, running out of time there boss??). i guess some people think there'll be relief this coming election but if you know anything about our history (i'm sure you do) then you know we're dealing with a rogue government here... that takes our money, picks fights, makes us sick and causes trouble wherever on this globe it wants to. people have speculated the chemtrailing has something to do with project bluebeam as well, opening a whole pandora's box... i don't trust our government anymore, especially not with all this spraying, making us ill, all these executive orders destroying our freedoms... and they better stop the spraying or so help me, i might have to get off this keyboard.

Why are there so many members saying chemtrails are real but they dont have evidence to prove it?

I pretty sure I asked at the start of this thread, that if people could debunk the meteorological side of contrails, then I might reconsider. But as of now, only one user has challenged that (the information (theory) was actually impossible, but I appreciate the challenge)

And to TruthTellist, your pathetic agenda of trying to bait members is becoming clear through your posts attacking neformore......grow up

I always get a laugh out of threads like these.

If official government disclosure on chem trails still doesn't convince some people they exist then nothing will. Move a long folks nothing to see here.

Go beat dead horses elsewhere.

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Nobody is giving timetables for chemtrails, so don't exagerate the other side's position for the sake of your own rhetoric. There is spraying and it's widespread, but we don't know exactly how often and exactly how widespread or even for whatever goal(s).

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www.youtube.com...

[edit on 8-14-2008 by CPYKOmega]

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what has the deployment of anti radar chaff during a military exercise got to do with chemtrails

Or are you saying that chemtrails are not visible from the ground but can be easily identified on radar?

contrailscience.com...

(the trouble with hoaxes on the internet is that there's always someone else falling for them for the first time .... )

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
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www.youtube.com...

[edit on 8-14-2008 by CPYKOmega]

Oh great this one yet again

Its been debunked several times on numerous threads

The issue was chaff being dropped by military aircraft during war games was affecting weather watch radar used by the German Mets. Pretty much, the chaff was deflecting the radar beams so the Mets couldnt see what was occuring. It happens to our weather watch radar to.This story was in our internal mail at work when it happened.

My two favorite people I knew you would respond that's why I jumped. I'm not going to beat a dead horse as chaff and chem trails are the same thing. As you both know that. So whats the difference between tons of chaff and tons of chem trails? Nothing seeing as they are both composed of the same materials.

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
My two favorite people I knew you would respond that's why I jumped. I'm not going to beat a dead horse as chaff and chem trails are the same thing. As you both know that. So whats the difference between tons of chaff and tons of chem trails? Nothing seeing as they are both composed of the same materials.

Chaffs pretty much invisible to the naked eye, its only used by miltary planes, it doesnt suspend itself in the air posing as a contrail

And for your information chaff is composed of small aluminium strips, fibreglass particles or plastic particles. Not barium like you chemtrailers keep saying

Sheesh, do some research for once

en.wikipedia.org...(radar_countermeasure)

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Chemtrails:GAO report admits "chaff"

Lab report reveals much more

Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator’s office a General Accounting Office (GAO) report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread—seven days a week for several hours each day—in the skies above their home.

The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images. It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.

Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.

Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

Try again.


From the July 2006 Idaho Observer:

www.proliberty.com...

[edit on 8-14-2008 by CPYKOmega]

As I said above, chaff is not visible from the ground but is readily identifiable on radar - so are you agreeing that all these alleged pictures of chemtrails are in fact just contrails and normal clouds etc after all?

It would be so much easier if the chemtrail believers decided amongst themselves exactly what they meant by chemtrails and offered a falsifiable hypothesis, rather than this scattergun approach whereby whenever one idea is disprove they come up with another and another and another - many of them entirely contradictory to each other.

So you honestly think that after seeing "chemtrails" sprayed above them, and then hearing that it was chaff, they got sick?

Can you explain why the upper level winds did not disperse or move the chaff hundreds of kilometeres?

Totally ridiculous.....winds do are not calm or in the same direction all the way down. See if you can disprove that

I also like how the link only shows parts of the information that it wants. The officail lab report is not attached.....hmmm....sounds like the CT's are trying to screen all the information again

[edit on 14/8/2008 by OzWeatherman]

Read this thread. People will bring up points as to why chemtrails are real. These points are ignored for the most part. Then two pages later the fun starts all over again :bnghd:

[edit on 14-8-2008 by Swingarm]