UFO Crash in Las Vegas 1st of August 2008

I did not see this fall nor did I even know it had happened until I read this thread and then watched the video but it was actually not in Las Vegas but in or right outside of Needles which is about 120 miles away. I'm in Pahrump which is actually 70 miles from Vegas but the way the roads are Needles is about the same distance from me but I'd go a different route to get there.

Anyway, IMO, it is something like a UAV or a piece of space junk. It seems pretty obvious that they were aware it was there and were right on it to pick it up. There was no mention of them setting up any 'blockades' or etc. to keep the public out of the area. If it were an UNKNOWN object a 'Perimeter' would have been set up immediately. Also, from what I understand, MOST 'unknowns' are 'trucked' out of an area. Don't know why but that's the way it was done in Roswell and Kingman. Probably because it is much less 'suspicious' than black choppers and etc. There are semi trucks all over the place. They could be moving anything to anywhere.

Just IMHO.

[edit on 2-8-2008 by Teri Uhouse]

reply to post by waveguide3


When you practice doing a certain thing long enough, it doesn't take long to become really proficient at it, I'am an ex Marine, I can tell you dollars to dognuts this is a fact. So your point is really mute. Lets hold on and see what happens next.

reply to post by Religion


I am sorry for the off topic here....

...but when i opened this thread up i was wondering why it wasn't on myats thread list. I SWEAR i posted in a thread about this incident 2 or 3 days ago. As a matter of fact, i would swear that it was the same OP (the avatar was the same).

what kind of freaky crap is ATS up to???

Seriously...that is VERY weird. That is why i posted this in support of your statement.

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I replied to this on another board and there were a couple of things that get me about the event as described.

-Seventeen minutes is stated as the time from impact to the appearance of swarming helicopters. For this to be remotely accurate, those helicopters would have to have been in the air and en route to this very spot (at the speed of the average helicopter) and no further than 25-30 miles away.

-The witness states a "sky crane" helicopter was one of the choppers present to lift the object away. The USAF/U.S. Army no longer use the Sikorsky CH-54 "Skycrane" helicopter and none that I am aware of are operating anywhere in military livery since all flying examples today are civilian operated. So, he's either confusing it with a Ch-46/47 or -53 or something doesn't add up.

-This supposedly happened around Needles (which isn't much of a drive from L.V.) and on open, accessible land. Where are the pics? If there was an impact or significant event there should be some kind of physical evidence of "something" happening there, no? Why hasn't Knapp and his cameraman driven down, taken some video, talked to some more locals, and filed a more detailed report on this event? Instead, just a "he said, she said" with no pics or hard info or supporting evidence.



?????????

can someone tell me what's the closest base to L.V. where helicopters can be scrambled in 17 minutes to that crash site including one carryall like a skycrane etc is it Nellis or a51 itself or what?

can someone tell me what's the closest base to L.V. where helicopters can be scrambled in 17 minutes to that crash site including one carryall like a skycrane etc is it Nellis or a51 itself or what?

can someone tell me what's the closest base to L.V. where helicopters can be scrambled in 17 minutes to that crash site including one carryall like a skycrane etc is it Nellis or a51 itself or what?

Hmmmm, seems fishy on the surface. Could it be a publicity stunt?

A: The two men interviewed work together.
B. The radio caller/eye witness has "known the radio D.J. for years".
C. Seems no one had a camera phone?? =/

Smells fishy to me, of course other evidence looks extremely credible, this one smells fishy.

Originally posted by danzi13
Could this be the peice of evidence we need to prove somthing is
A - being covered up by the USA
B - Possibly Aliens have come to earth,

Surley a Meteor would have burnt up. Which means it could be a UFO / ET's ships

It would be easier to prove the existence of A but it is harder (or impossible) to link A to B. For example the existence of military coverup on weapons development is a known fact and can be historically proven while the existence of a military coverup of ANYTHING that has to do with "aliens, ET's"
is pure speculation with no evidence at all.

And there is NO EVIDENCE. I repeat: NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to link A to B.



[edit on 3-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
And there is NO EVIDENCE. I repeat: NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to link A to B.

There is plenty of evidence to link A to B (in other cases, maybe not this one). You choose not to consider the evidence as proof. That's your right and your opinion to do so.

However, others know that the evidence does constitute proof, which is also their right and opinion to think as they do.

You can post in every thread, informing us that it's all much-to-do-about-nothing, in which case we'll continue to skip past your opinions, so that we can consider the evidence. Or, you can probably save yourself the effort and find a more suitable skeptic forum, where everyone agrees with you.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by tezzajw]

@Fulcrum

From the reported location of the incident, Twentynine Palms USMC base or Nellis AFB are roughly equidistant. Kingman, AZ airport could stage this type of helo flight but it's a commercial facility and such a flight should raise some eyebrows and hit the records.

A true Skycrane has around 120 mile radius......Sea Knight around 140. A Chinook or Ch-53 could handle a round-trip flight to/from the site especially since both are capable of ATA refuelling. So, no actual Sikorsky Ch-54 was used for this recovery if it actually did happen and we need more info from the witnesses.


I'm dubious of this story and Knapp should, with all of his experience, come out with a whole lot more than this when making these reports. The bar is high and the imaginations of the "want to believe"-ers is low so there had better be some darned concrete facts to accompany such a report.


Is Knapp running low on material and grabbing at anything to keep him in the news? If this is all he's got these days to keep the gag going than it's far past time to hang it up and move on to some other form of employment.


I say all of this knowing full well that there will be no further info, pics, interviews, or investigation of the alleged incident by Knapp or anyone else. It's a cute little grabber with no actual story.



I'll revisit the thread over the next few weeks for any further talk but I have no fear of learning anything new or substantive from it. It's all up to Knapp to prove it wrong.

Thanks for the post... very interesting indeed. I would have to say though, the first story on that page that the link brings you to (NASA Mars Database finally Exposed) is even more interesting. Thanks again.

I read the report and to me it sound like department of energy couriers showed up to the crash site. People talk about janet air force and they are always fying out of amarillo, tx. which is were pantex is located.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


Well, they've been doing it for a LONG time, I'm sure they've probably got it down really good now, who knows. They monitor for UFOs, so they could've noticed it and dispatched in no time.

your right mate any way how our two helicpters post to cary a meteroid

Try to take a serious perspective for real. People like to get excited and start coming up with ideas off the top of their head and they don't seem to be taking a good standpoint.
What do you have to work with? There was a clean-up crew. Roswell had a clean-up crew also, and Kecksburg also seemed to have a crew. These are just a couple of famous incidents, landmark as they be. I think we can answer a few questions from the guy on the lake, Bob. Regardless of the name it seems like the media even tried to find him for questioning and sure enough he just happens to be missing. The turquoise flames they spoke of may suggest a few things, burning copper is a good example. What else burns blueish green hue? And with that many helicopters there must have been a number of men with jobs to do, wander what they were. And the crane, that just doesn't look good. These cranes could very well be used to carry a satelite, or a ufo. But there are mysterious circumstances as usual. And a bit of secrecy surrounding the incident. The only thing missing are all the enthusiasts who should have flooded the site to expose them... If Bob washes up on the lake we may find ourselves with a whole new mystery. Has anyone ever seen an actual satelite recovery excersize? There is one thing I find extremely interesting, the planes they use to transport the secret government employees to area 51. The media seemed to be onto something there. I heard about the way they transport people there and if they were making call ins that night you may make some considerations. Try to stick with the consistancies. Anyone?

[edit on 3-8-2008 by freakngeckos]

Hello

I'd guess it is a re-entered military satellite. Probably got electronics etc that can be salvaged at the end of its life cycle. Seems like they wanted it to come down and thet were ready too.

Sorry to post anonymously, I'm about to sign up an account right know!

Regards

Matt

UFO? what evidence for that?
at least , and thats for sure , this event clearly shows how well prepared the gov´t is for ANYTHING like this. theres no discussion about that.
IMO it is ust another black project vehicle (maybe from the the secret space station).

reply to post by waveguide3


I see what your saying; but whatever the object was, could it not have been tracked and then shot down?
Therefore quickly recovered because the 'shooters' knew where abouts it would fall?

If native primitive tribe living in amazon with no contact with the outside world saw modern aircraft crashed over a hill, they would definitely assume it was somekind of a giant bird that came from another world, because they can only relate to something they have seen and confabulate the rest to make sense of what happened.

Same analogy:

Same with the local residents in this case. You take people who live in the desert of Las Vegas, a place where alien and UFO stories are rife (you know what I'm talking about) and years of being indoctrined with alien paranoia through local hearsay, tall tales and TV (alien movies, x-files) and when a military training is conducted (most likely where new weapons/equipment are tested) in their backyard, voila: you get people living in a non-eventful place making up and confabulating things about alien UFOs and the military when in actuality it was a military exercise.





[edit on 3-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]