Europe NOT the US is to Blame For the Issues of Today!!!!!

this thread has turned into a , cry like a baby and bash the europeans.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by dracodie]

Originally posted by passenger
The issue here is Europeans pointing the finger at the U.S. and trying to cast all the blame upon it. As if they hold some holier ground and speak with a clean tongue. Meanwhile, the Europeans have birthed 99.9% of the problems that they are condemning.

So Europe created the problem (this is bad, oh I know) but America continues and takes it to a whole new level. "SCREAMS" this analogy is pathetic, childish and a waste of typing. What your implying that its ok for America to carry on, just cus.................................

What’s done is done but some Europeans seem to hold the view that nothing bad ever happened until the United States came along. They have no guilt? They have no blame for the state of the world today?

1. Rubbish + lies = BS.

2. who told you this BS?

P.S
I've just watched and Observed America over the years, Shouldn't American's realise their own behaviour Instead of me silly European pointing fingers out or blaming. Why dont you be aware of your behaviour and do something about it, so no nation will have to blame you for ANYTHING.

The average IQ is really dwindling when I see threads like this even posted like in the year 2008 ffs, and we are well and truly flying through this year now, why are we creating threads like these?

EDIT: it has taken 50 years for America to wake up, and it took 8 years of Absurd unacceptable behaviour to finally realise how bad the problems are within the country and the affects it has caused the world globally, and its really that bad.


[edit on 1-8-2008 by mind is the universe]

reply to post by mybigunit


You are right, why? Because USA would not exsist without Europe discovering America. Be reminded that there might be European blood in yours!

Anyway I don't believe in putting the blame on one country/continent/race etc. Don't forget that this is how WWII started. US qualified themselfs as a excellent liberator. And they have the means, which also brougth a billion dollar business. I guess this last thing was where it went wrong. With not much to liberate at this point, it also stops (pauses) the billion dollar machine. Very to the dislike of all who depend on this. SO I guess it won't be very long till "liberation" is needed somewhere!

I find that we ALL are doing exactly what the banking elitist hope that we do, and that is finger point at each other, blame one another for all the problems that are going on. This way, they can play both sides on these issues. They fund both sides, set back and guess what? Who ever wins, they are friends of that side. It`s a win win situation on their part. Brainwashed, huh, you bet, just look at some of these topics here. We are doing exactly what they want us to do. Instead of us joining hands and fighting this corrupt money(funding) system they have set up, we fight and argue with ourselves. Geeez people, what does it take to open our eyes, another world war? I believe if you look back through all history, to fight a war it takes money and it sure doesn`t grow on trees, now does it?

I say stop the bickering and do a little research about this money system we have. It may just open your eyes.

What i like in this thread is how you all are by default not educated around Europe.

Europe is not like US country based on a lot of states, but EC is thou, but not close to be a country of it own. What this thread are, is biased and full of missing knowlegde.

The dear bankers you keep talking about is from England, so it should read England and not Europe i think.

I live in Europe but my country has sovereignty.

Best regards

Loke.

No country is to blame. Please stop allowing yourselves to be so divided. We are not to blame, but are manipulated en masse by those who see themselves as above the rest of humanity and who across multiple generations and countries have worked in the shadows to take everything on this planet from the rest of mankind. Their goal is a so-called "New World Order" in which those who are left, after the enforced radical reduction in population, will live as serfs in a world without choice.
For those who have not read the plans go to www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

I think even though most of the people on here are probably American and agree with the original post you must all remember that The Uk founded the Usa as it is today and we were the most powerfull nation for a long time, And you must also remember that we let you grow to the strength you are today, You must also remember because of this we are brothers and shouldnt have to need to ask for your help it should just be there, Look at Iraq right now we stepped in with you side by side and now terrorists are attacking us when they werent before!, Look at ww2 you didnt step in till the last minute when it was almost too late, Just remember your roots and never forget YOU are the uk too.

It's absolutely hilarious that some American's are blaming the Europeans of today for wars that happened generations ago. None of us fought or had anything to do with those wars, so please enlighten me as how we are responsible. At the end of the day, it's the governments that are responsible and the people that support them and their phony manufactured wars. I wash my hands of both.

You know who started all the problems HUMANS. If God Exist His biggest fault was to create MANKIND we are all mentally retarded american european african black white yellow we are all freakin idiots. We kill we steal we hurt others so we can get something out of it. Humans are a sick race and should not exist so God send in the troops and eradicate this world

reply to post by passenger


You are correct on almost every thing, Except where you stated, "we never surpassed them in the horrors they have brought forth."
I don't recall Europeans killing 20-26 million of one ethnic group like the US did against Indians. That to my knowledge is this singular worst case of genocide ever committed. Yet most Americans believe, yes we did it but oh well you can't cry over split milk. Most Americans go about their daily lives never consider what was done, and what is still being done to whats left of the tribes. You look down on us the same as Europeans look down upon you. You want us gone so that reflection in the water doesn't haunt you anymore, but you will never live it down.

Love and Light Kanati

reply to post by Kanati


The worst is that most celebrate that genocide with a turkey in the table and pride in their minds.

reply to post by Kanati


It is correct what you're saying, but as a "weak excuse" I would like to say human kind was in an other "state of mind" back then. But killing is killing no mather what the intention was.

But somehow I would like to escape form throwing accusations over and forth. We would have to say: we're in this mess and no mather how we got in in the first place, how the hell are we getting out?!"

op..good thread but I have to say you need some proof to back up these 'facts' as some are twisted a little.
Get your history books out. The US and the Bush family is responsible for MOST of the Nazi funding as with the IRA and mid east terrorist groups in the 80's to name but a few. Also the CIA is to blame for a lost of the current problems world wide. Europe is not blameless but the US is guilty of far more war mongering than any other country in history.

Vietnam for instance. Yes this started as a French problem but once the US got involved they made it into an unwinnable war in order to drag it out as long as possible. the bankers made billions.

What im trying to say is, although europeans did create problems around the world, the US always seem to manipulate them for the benefit of the bankers.

reply to post by mind is the universe


Hmm instead of debating the issue you throw a ton of smack talk out there. hmm. If you would of read my first post it answers a lot of your issues.

You left a major event out,
right before WWII all through out the 30's, The USA - supported Hitler,
since rothchild controlled both Germany and the USA. he struck a deal with the queen to grant him some land in Palistine if he could get the USA to come to the UK defense.
the sinking of the Luthsitiania, (Germany Warned America it would sink her) if she transported war materials to England. So we made it perfectly clear we were going to send Ammo to defend england on the Luthsitiania.
and Germany Sunk Her... and the USA was in WWII. we defeated Germany and Rothchild got his palistine.


[edit on 1-8-2008 by BornPatriot]

Originally posted by mind is the universe
P.S
I've just watched and Observed America over the years, Shouldn't American's realise their own behaviour Instead of me silly European pointing fingers out or blaming. Why dont you be aware of your behaviour and do something about it, so no nation will have to blame you for ANYTHING.

The average IQ is really dwindling when I see threads like this even posted like in the year 2008 ffs, and we are well and truly flying through this year now, why are we creating threads like these?

EDIT: it has taken 50 years for America to wake up, and it took 8 years of Absurd unacceptable behaviour to finally realise how bad the problems are within the country and the affects it has caused the world globally, and its really that bad.

You obviously didnt read the first quote because once again this would answer a lot of your issues. Instead you rely on name called and talking down to people like they are stupid. So because I know you wont read it Ill give a brief summary. The fact is we are fully aware of what our government and its masters are doing. (Some more than others of course). We are trying to change it here but its hard because we are fighting the banking, media, and entertainment industries. It doesnt help when Europe is spouting off a bunch of crap that Americans are these evil empires. YES WE KNOW THIS. BUT SO IS EUROPE. The masters of Europe STARTED a lot of the conflicts we are fighting today. Deal with it.

Also as far as the 50 years to wake up. Heh No offense but it took HUNDREDS of years for you guys to break away from sheeple status. Think about it.

Originally posted by FiatLux
I find that we ALL are doing exactly what the banking elitist hope that we do, and that is finger point at each other, blame one another for all the problems that are going on. This way, they can play both sides on these issues. They fund both sides, set back and guess what? Who ever wins, they are friends of that side. It`s a win win situation on their part. Brainwashed, huh, you bet, just look at some of these topics here. We are doing exactly what they want us to do. Instead of us joining hands and fighting this corrupt money(funding) system they have set up, we fight and argue with ourselves. Geeez people, what does it take to open our eyes, another world war? I believe if you look back through all history, to fight a war it takes money and it sure doesn`t grow on trees, now does it?

I say stop the bickering and do a little research about this money system we have. It may just open your eyes.

Im not finger pointing really. I m pointing out that the same Europeans who dog on us on the other side of the pond do not have clean hands. To call us the names we get called is BS. Im glad some Europeans here on ATS understands the true evil and that is the bankers but most dont and blame America. Im just pointing out how history has lead right into todays issues. The truth does suck sometimes.

Originally posted by saturnus1962

But somehow I would like to escape form throwing accusations over and forth. We would have to say: we're in this mess and no mather how we got in in the first place, how the hell are we getting out?!"

And this is where I want the end game to be. We are all now controlled by the same masters. I wanted to debate how we got into the mess but at the end of the day I want people to realize we are all on the same team we are all controlled by the same masters but this US bashing has to end. We need people to wake up to history so it doesnt repeat itself which is why I created this thread. I think a lot of Europeans conveniently forget their history and put all the blame for todays events on us when its really not true.

reply to post by Kanati


Do you have a source where I can see that 26 million Indians were killed? That number to me seems way to high. In fact even a million seems way to high. Throw me a link please.

reply to post by mybigunit


I strongly suggest you learn about history before talking.

WW1 was a german/french idea to block the spreading of the 1905 first bolshevik revolution. WW2 was a total US business due to the desire of american industry (Ford) to free itself from british racket on indonesin latex (tires) after the collapse of Fordlandia in Brazil. The numerous meetings between US tycoons, the Vatican and Von Papen and other prominent nazis speak for themselves. The so-called "liberation" was a planned invasion destined to install US puppet govts in europe. GW Bush was totally right when he compared WW2 to Irak. Same joke: make up a dictator, let him commit crimes, then pretend you come as liberators.

The installment of the Shah by the US in'53 was done by evicting Mossadegh, a modern social democrat who was trying to get Iran out of the dark ages. Thanks to the US, we have an islamic republic now. Pretty good....

Not to mention the brilliant creation of Hamas by the CIA to counteract the Fatah. Not bad....

Your ideas about BP in Irak are only half the truth. Get some infos about ARAMCO (the name may have change sinces the '30s but the story is the same).

Finally, 'Nam : we were winning (3000/36000 down), we could have gone further a bit. Here too, latex for car tires was the big issue (Michelin). Unfortunately we had to pull off in'54 due to public opposition (rings a '75 bell?). US advisers only came in in '60 and in the mean time the US did everything they could against french action, just the same as they did in Egypt in '56 (Aramco again). Final result : communist 'Nam. Can't complain...

The fact that you are obviously a xenophobic right wing republican should not dismiss you from trying to get some valid knowledge . History is permanently biased by politicians, but the truth always comes out, sooner or later. Don't waste time in lies.

A final gift for you: did you know that Juarez worked for the US govt against Maximilian in the Mexican revolution? A modern Mexico was an unbearable thought to the US industry.