Europe NOT the US is to Blame For the Issues of Today!!!!!

Ok I spent some time to set up a thread containing all of the real history of the USA as pertaining to its laws ,decrees,court cases and rulings
To show others who do not understand America's place in the world and where it's people fit in the picture.
it's a rather dry read buy I have highlighted some of the codes,definitions
I included the short video last in the series from Swingarm called Short Video.
Thank you Swingarm for that contribution.

the Tital of the thread is
A Guide To The United States Corporation
this so their is a depository for those that come in the future making erroneous claims.

If Any of you would like to add to it or correct any errors ,or even to peruse the contents feel free to do so
Thanks

Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by gate13

 

Your beating around the bush. The extremists Jews do run this country. Hell the Mossad is in our government in high places as we speak....

www.viewzone.com...

A little link to show that.

we dont want to offend to many people you know.

i can say alot of things regarding this matter but it could upset alot of people which i dont want to do.

reply to post by gate13


Right...its easy to have the thread derailed using race baiting techniques. We will stick to this for not but you should consider starting a thread for your thoughts. Ill post on it. I dont beat around the bush I dont care what anyone says.

reply to post by mybigunit


im only stating why i think some of the problems are caused by america , europe and on a global scale.

but in terms of opinions i dont care what others think aswell, il say it how it is but i have respect and there is some opinions you can say openly and there is some you should be careful with expressing.

such as hitlers(and im not pro nazi very against them) ideals of wiping out the jews wasnt a bad one but you cant do that just kill people bc you dont like them it is wrong and no man has the right to kill some one else.

i can see how many jewish posters would be very offendd and opinions like that should be kept to my self .

I just did a vacation or "holiday" in France, Italy, and Spain this summer.

Paris was horrible. Smelly, dirty, full of pretentious people on the surface. If you were on a friend-basis (i met up w/some ppl) you are accepted as an American. Otherwise, you are ignored, neglected (even in a medical emergency as my case).

Italy was better, much better. The people there were not as "aggressive" to hate on Americans. They had valid arguments, but did not "hold it against YOU personally". It was more "we like you, we just think your leaders are insane!"

Spain was the best IMO...Barcelona was beautiful, the people more friendly than I had ever come to expect from a huge metropolis. This is coming from an Alaskan, whose entire state (that's half the size of the entire USA) has only 600,000 people in it.

Being said.

Just because we were taught/inherited who we are/what we've become does not mean we need to be it.

All of this has happened before, and will happen again -- unless we make up our minds right now to not let it.

We should, as the "new kids on the block" make it out moral priority and imperative to change the social landscape for the better.

We have thousands (as previously said) years of history from the Europeans to learn from, but what have we done with this knowledge? Nothing.

We have not risen above or further than any of them, and perhaps international banking interests are to blame -- but still...

Pointing fingers makes us all feel better, but we are all human. We are all inheritors of this planet -- and we need to stop the petty blame-game and decide to move forward as a species/world if we hope to survive.

Here are links to the full video ring of power. The video is low budget but the info in the movie is high quality It's a long video so set aside a block of time with plenty of snacks

Ring of Power part 1

Ring of Power Part 2


The Union Jack PDF Book (very good)

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by mybigunit


Good thread, starred and flagged. I also am fed up with all the America bashing that goes on around here. I'm well aware of the fact that this country is not innocent of wrong doing. However i am so tired of people acting like their country has not been quilty of any wrong doing, especially when their country was doing these things while ours was still a baby.

What irritates me is when someone can not distinguish between an American and the American goverment. We should stop our goverment, contact our representatives, etc, we are guilty because our goverment is guilty BS!!! Our goverment doesn't care what we think, or what we want ! Contacting them does no good, voting does no good as the only candidates that are allowed to run are the ones handpicked by the elitest that run the world.

I would just like people to understand that we are way past the point of being able to fix our country, short of a revolution. We are all in the same boat, we have no say so in anything, we are all just "the people" and as such we lack importance to the ones that really run this world.

BTW i think you did a very good job in stating your case in all of your posts. You need not be an eloquent speaker to get your point across.

I suppose i'll put those into the post too
Thanks again for your colaboration

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Just because we were taught/inherited who we are/what we've become does not mean we need to be it... We have thousands (as previously said) years of history from the Europeans to learn from, but what have we done with this knowledge? Nothing.

Well, yeah, unassailably true… but what else is new? The problem isn’t that humans don’t learn from history and continue to make the same mistakes - that’s an established and indisputable fact. The issue here is Europeans pointing the finger at the U.S. and trying to cast all the blame upon it. As if they hold some holier ground and speak with a clean tongue. Meanwhile, the Europeans have birthed 99.9% of the problems that they are condemning. What’s done is done but some Europeans seem to hold the view that nothing bad ever happened until the United States came along. They have no guilt? They have no blame for the state of the world today?

Originally posted by Sheeper

I say we cut all ties with Europe and the ME and let them figure it out.

My friend, i couldn't agree with you more. As a matter of fact i just posted the exact same sentiment in another thread the other day. We should go back to being a isolationist republic, worry only about our own people, and keep our noses out of everyone elses business.

Originally posted by passenger

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Just because we were taught/inherited who we are/what we've become does not mean we need to be it... We have thousands (as previously said) years of history from the Europeans to learn from, but what have we done with this knowledge? Nothing.

Well, yeah, unassailably true… but what else is new? The problem isn’t that humans don’t learn from history and continue to make the same mistakes - that’s an established and indisputable fact. The issue here is Europeans pointing the finger at the U.S. and trying to cast all the blame upon it. As if they hold some holier ground and speak with a clean tongue. Meanwhile, the Europeans have birthed 99.9% of the problems that they are condemning. What’s done is done but some Europeans seem to hold the view that nothing bad ever happened until the United States came along. They have no guilt? They have no blame for the state of the world today?

What you say is very true.

However, when does the finger pointing/defensive posturing stop?

We can bicker and debate till our faces are blue (and our world around us at-large disintegrates) -- or decide to take a higher road.

I do not mean as a country -- but as individuals. We, as individuals can "infect" those we know with new ways/paradigms of thinking.

Alone we cannot overthrow the world-banking system, but en mase' we just might be able to.

Well you have Jews and then you have impostors.
Those that claim to be Jewish to extend their power and geopolitical influence
.
And That is all I would like to say about that subject.

Originally posted by solo1
Well the OP Has brought a very good point and although I believe the tenet of his theory.I also Believe the Americans are not off the hook.
Since America really never won it's independence ,Really.
As any astute scholar will tell you When the Mighty British retreated to the Canadian Border. They didn't leave America !
One need just look at the Original Treaty
where upon King George tells the American Ring leaders I demand all of this that and all of those. or I shall have your heads for treason
and then says And you had bloody well better not be late in payments
or ill send 12 more regiments and the heavy armaments.
Where upon The Americans signed the treaty and Agreed to all DEMANDS
of the KING.

So Americans are not ultimately Responsible but still are on the hook.
Because they no longer can make those payments for one
and they have been complicit in the crimes committed .

I mean really !
A Rag Tag Army beat the Mighty British at the height of their power

Damn... Your right about that one

To this day Britain owns a hell of alot of America...

Originally posted by chise61

Originally posted by Sheeper

I say we cut all ties with Europe and the ME and let them figure it out.

My friend, i couldn't agree with you more. As a matter of fact i just posted the exact same sentiment in another thread the other day. We should go back to being a isolationist republic, worry only about our own people, and keep our noses out of everyone elses business.

I think resonably we need to for a time at this point...

Originally posted by solo1
Well you have Jews and then you have impostors.
Those that claim to be Jewish to extend their power and geopolitical influence
.
And That is all I would like to say about that subject.

wow... lol, i'm going to star you on that one solo

That's real, If I had a dollar for every Russian, Middle easterner and Eastern European that moved to NY growing up and pretended to be Jewish to get financial aid from jewish immigration groups i'd literally be a Millionare

and thats... the lowest level of jew impostering that goes on, pisses me off being jewish...

The worst part is the orthodox, these guys didn't even exist as jews until the spanish inquisition, the whole dress code and all the rest is some angry rebellion against something that happened 600 years ago... it's ridiculous...

These "jews" gave us the whole "there is no such thing as jesus rutine" when prior to that time while jews disagreed on messianic status... (not all) Christ was a saint or equivalent until the orthadox came along and just insulted everyone and denied jesus entirely...

and I'd go so far as to say, the first cases of Jew impostering probably came around the time of Christ with the given Rabbis that declared him a fraud, Until that time period, Judaism was a dualistic religion in many aspects of it... Mary magdalene who is called a "whore" in the bible was a priestess and... apprently the last of her line who Christ saved... and there wer very Earthy and Goddessy over tones in Judaism...

These guys...who I doubt many of were actually Jewish aso condemened the Ethiopic Jewish tradition which gives us the Book of Enoch the main book that Christ studied that predicts a messiah in the first place!


So that's at least Two huge aspects of Judaism that disapear in that time from...


and then later after the spanish Inquisition this "Orthodox sect arises" which essentially demands all Jews act like this One particular Rabbi in dress and behavior and

I can say only this from experience... I hated when the Orthodox started moving to NYC from where ever they came... I'm a jew...like a typical Christian is a Christian... I do my thing on holidays study my stuff... but I'm just like everyone else...

When the orthodox moved to NY in numbers that was the first time I heard the words "I hate Jews" they are obsessive, isolationist, rude and the whole uniform creeps people out and they wont explain it...

worse... They don't treat me like I'm a Jew, claim only they are Jews, dominate the world aspect of judaism, deny Christ who,....was agggghhhhhhhh Jewish ... so was Mary and...

They follow jews like me where ever we go and play the whole we are Jews thing to get a foot hold... and then they treat us like garbage mostly... and then I'm labeled as being like them...

and realistically, aside from monopolizing the Torah which should imho be in every Church in the world and Mosque as well for that... I don't see how they are even Jewish? Maybe, maybe they have a direct relation to one of 12/13 Tribes...

But that's it at best... I have trouble calling them jews frankly, I don't know that this didn;t happen at the time of Christ, that another group infiltrated and set out to destroy Judaism...

Because from my very deep studies, ancient judaism was an incredible open minded religion that involved women and the female aspects of g-d was centered in duality in an almost eastern way involved meditation and, the story of Enoch is central to understanding human history...

Maybe even alien intervention and

These guys call themselves Jews but ...they aren't jewish as I know the depths of the religion to be they are as isolated and insane as fanatical islam and... deny all other people that may be Jews as Jews...

I mean 12 tribes and 1 has done everything possible to keep the other 11 out of the world stage as jews...

Crazy man...

Star for bringing that up...

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Star for you.

You clearly understand the historical relations and complexities behind Jewish culture.

True, these so-called "orthodox" Jews should be (but are not) seen as a "cult" outside of the traditional Jewish cannon -- similar to the FLDS (the "Mormons" in Texas who got arrested for child-abuse)

...

For some reason, however, these "Orthodox Jews" have been stamped with the "REAL Jewish" label.

Understanding history is a must for understanding the present.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

Originally posted by solo1
Well you have Jews and then you have impostors.
Those that claim to be Jewish to extend their power and geopolitical influence
.
And That is all I would like to say about that subject.

wow... lol, i'm going to star you on that one solo

That's real, If I had a dollar for every Russian, Middle easterner and Eastern European that moved to NY growing up and pretended to be Jewish to get financial aid from jewish immigration groups i'd literally be a Millionare

and thats... the lowest level of jew impostering that goes on, pisses me off being jewish...

The worst part is the orthodox, these guys didn't even exist as jews until the spanish inquisition, the whole dress code and all the rest is some angry rebellion against something that happened 600 years ago... it's ridiculous...

These "jews" gave us the whole "there is no such thing as jesus rutine" when prior to that time while jews disagreed on messianic status... (not all) Christ was a saint or equivalent until the orthadox came along and just insulted everyone and denied jesus entirely...

and I'd go so far as to say, the first cases of Jew impostering probably came around the time of Christ with the given Rabbis that declared him a fraud, Until that time period, Judaism was a dualistic religion in many aspects of it... Mary magdalene who is called a "whore" in the bible was a priestess and... apprently the last of her line who Christ saved... and there wer very Earthy and Goddessy over tones in Judaism...

These guys...who I doubt many of were actually Jewish aso condemened the Ethiopic Jewish tradition which gives us the Book of Enoch the main book that Christ studied that predicts a messiah in the first place!


So that's at least Two huge aspects of Judaism that disapear in that time from...


and then later after the spanish Inquisition this "Orthodox sect arises" which essentially demands all Jews act like this One particular Rabbi in dress and behavior and

I can say only this from experience... I hated when the Orthodox started moving to NYC from where ever they came... I'm a jew...like a typical Christian is a Christian... I do my thing on holidays study my stuff... but I'm just like everyone else...

When the orthodox moved to NY in numbers that was the first time I heard the words "I hate Jews" they are obsessive, isolationist, rude and the whole uniform creeps people out and they wont explain it...

worse... They don't treat me like I'm a Jew, claim only they are Jews, dominate the world aspect of judaism, deny Christ who,....was agggghhhhhhhh Jewish ... so was Mary and...

They follow jews like me where ever we go and play the whole we are Jews thing to get a foot hold... and then they treat us like garbage mostly... and then I'm labeled as being like them...

and realistically, aside from monopolizing the Torah which should imho be in every Church in the world and Mosque as well for that... I don't see how they are even Jewish? Maybe, maybe they have a direct relation to one of 12/13 Tribes...

But that's it at best... I have trouble calling them jews frankly, I don't know that this didn;t happen at the time of Christ, that another group infiltrated and set out to destroy Judaism...

Because from my very deep studies, ancient judaism was an incredible open minded religion that involved women and the female aspects of g-d was centered in duality in an almost eastern way involved meditation and, the story of Enoch is central to understanding human history...

Maybe even alien intervention and

These guys call themselves Jews but ...they aren't jewish as I know the depths of the religion to be they are as isolated and insane as fanatical islam and... deny all other people that may be Jews as Jews...

I mean 12 tribes and 1 has done everything possible to keep the other 11 out of the world stage as jews...

Crazy man...

Star for bringing that up...

Huh
and how many of those that moved to NY when you were growing up
are spying on America collecting money from Israel
and working in the Govt. As a dual citizen or in AI PAC collecting money and subverting your laws and constitution.
or today a Neocon player with the highest clearance credentials
in think tanks thinking day and night calculating their next cold clocking of America.
It's enoughto make me sick And i am a Canadian Because I know they are in my country doing the same gaul darn thing.

Ty... you know self crticism is a must in a world of fanatics... and i don't much care for any fanatcis...

Unless of course they are my kind of fanatics and hate the Greys...those fanatics are okay

reply to post by solo1


You know, it does exist...

The thing is though, the jews at the top around the neo cons and etc, aren't them. I can swear to this...and I have no reason to lie I'm related through marriage in my family to Wolfowitz, a patriot, shrewd with money, very bright...

The thing is, all the Jews at the top are basically really just jewish guys, Ashkanasi mainly, European Jews, very bright, not orthodox...

BUT... I can argue with any of them all day because the fakers and the Zionists do influence their thinking on one topic and one topic only... Isreal


I'm not pro Isreal i think most american and for that Canadian Jews were smart as heck, got away from Europe and the Mideast decades, a century ago in many cases... and that any of us being in that region is a monster mistake... (not just for political reasons either)

The last real wave of fakes, were Russian, ex KGB many of them from the 80's early 90 pre and post wall colapse and... where you find these guys among many places is in the insurance game... literally bankrupted health insurance in NYC with fake accidents... and many are still communist and their thinking is low level, these people join groups and, most of them are street level..but they get their voice out as jews...

People tend to think that lot of them are high level hollywood, legal system and govt, but really the fakers aren't all that deep...

But again, they do push.... from inside at a low level, opinion of groups and communities and Communists blend really easy with Liberals... alot of our extreme nutty liberals are these people, the guy behind the guy at greenpeace that believe it's okay to get radical over an issue... the teacher who's ideas go into kids heads, the person that... instigates...

That would be the word i'm looking for they are in numbers low level instigators and the thinking gets into and forms communities with anti american agendas...

and ... the one where real jews like my family here for 90 years... fall in, is always the topic of isreal...

it's a social double whammy of Russian communists who... would like to see Isreal gone so encourage support of zionism to lead to it's downfall... and Fastidious Orthodox who genuinely believe that isreal is a Jewish nation...



Now me... I have my own theory and if it sounds far out... all I can say is I have studied this in depth...

1: Moses did NOT intend to stop in isreal, I'd have to write a whole thread on the subject ..maybe I will if anyone is interested.. But Moses happened to die there, he was leading the ancient hebrews to a port of Harbor with trees to build boats to sail...to the New world, I'm certain of it for many reasons

2: there is something wrong with that land, I don't know, I'm not a superstitous person... But, It could be a spiritual thing, this is the tract of and where every new group coming out of Africa met the previous group and wared, Cro magnon Man and Neanderthal man lay side by side here with axe wounds in each others head... the and has never not known bloodshed and...

Well, believe in possesion or not, but that division, that haunting I think is real... I have seen people of all faiths live there and they become... all of them, divisive, the other side is wrong, the other side is evil... Muslim, jew, it doesn't mattter...

and everyone becomes possesed... The sheer number of people who go there and become messianic in a night is frightening, there is this thing where people just visit and suddenly believe they are the messiah....

and I have lost friends to this place, friends that were normal, visit and something..not sure what I lean to haunting/possesion makes them become fanatics...

I seriously think it should be renamed for Golgotha and it should be sealed off and excavated under outside superstition and studied intensely

and... I'd never want my people to live there, it's a curse.



[edit on 1-8-2008 by mopusvindictus]

reply to post by mybigunit


i hear some of your points, some tooo long and drawn out though


But the title heading is redicolous.

It's age old BS, of using blame for all your problems. STOP blaming.


I will give a classic example PARENT and CHILD relationship.
Mother suffers from bereavement as an example or other "sh!t" that we have to deal with in life. Everyone does. The child of the mother picks it up and contains the negativity throughout his childhood. Every child get's this. Through the growing up you have your own # to deal with, it either makes you or breaks you up along with the # around you, no point blaming your mother for everything else. No point in blaming the world for making it more difficult for you. Blaming is not going to help.

One day you will have to be an adult and learn to accept that it's life. Everyone is born with "sh!t" Same applies to nations. Take control of your life, Take control over your part of life to a nation. Again a nation like America still has to grow up, saying they were setbacks and outside influences that "made" life more difficult, is just childish and pathetic. grow and deal with it.



GET OVER IT.
STOP BLAMING
TAKE RESPOSNBILTY
AND DEAL WITH IT.

Your thread is a complete utter waste of time! Not helping anything.


I'm really not surprised I hear a thread with such crap, espeically from America. Its really childish.



[edit on 1-8-2008 by mind is the universe]