Europe NOT the US is to Blame For the Issues of Today!!!!!

reply to post by mybigunit


yes wow, you are kept in a bubble of ignorance in your country, you dont even realise that ww2 started in 1939, britain had a treaty with germany, it was only because of their actons that we declared war on them, the blitz was started by britain after we mistakenly blanket bombed one of germanys towns rather than a military complex, if you read my post and understood it you would realise that this whole subject is stupid, for example, europe may have created a lot of what is about today but dont you think it would of been america if your country existed back then, and after all americans are mainly of european descent, but now its apparently nothing to do with you, its as much americas fault as it is europes, your descendents as much as ours, one of the reasons that people have a problem with america is american values, and their ignorance of the rest of the world, their failure to recognise the worth of other cultures

George Bush is just a nice guy doing a good job who is totally misunderstood.


hehe
funny stuff


I guess your expectations for a president is low

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I have edited my post to clarify that George Bush is not on my xmas card list

Frankly, I don't see the use in pointing blame at other countries. I live in America. This is my location. And that's about it. I don't agree with most of what takes place here, and I think most people feel the same way. When other countries talk bad about America, or vis versa, most of the comments seem to infer that the civilians share their governments choices. So, I'd rather put it a different way altogether. Every country has their fair share of greedy corrupt politicians who refuse to listen to the people. These are the people that are to blame, not us "cocky American do-gooders", or anyone else.

and another thing, where were america when the serbs were commiting genocide, or why are they not marching on darfur, it is funny how kuwait ties with the u.s. sent them to the rescue of one of the richest countries mopping up europes mess eh?

They're all as bad as eachother at some stage, the yanks just ain't been at the game as long

Originally posted by GhostR1der
They're all as bad as eachother at some stage, the yanks just ain't been at the game as long

Absolutely.

And the US is probably pissed because the UK is better at something. Albeit effing up the planet!

Wow the rhetoric in this post is quite hilarious and continues to prove that I have to keep repeating myself because people dont want to read posts. So heres what Im going to do...Im going to repeat myself again so Ill save you the reading time.

The United States was not part of the imperialistic club till 1913 with the passing of the fed. We then joined the crowd of the controlled. We didnt become a player in this club however till after WW2. So my point is for the first 40 or so years of the early 20th century the European (UK and France in particular) controllers and their sheeple (the citizens) pushed their imperialistic agenda around the world. The made promises that they never would keep. They overthrew or invaded countries that didnt want to be a part of their agenda. Sound familiar? Oh because the US is doing it today. Now where were the people rising up then? Where were the protesters saying hey leaders who do you think your are? We dont want no empire. The citizens said nothing period.

It is only now that the citizens of Europe are waking up and saying hey look at the imperialists the US and their agendas and torture. OK I AGREE WITH YOU. But where were these people when this crap was being started hmm? No where. Your citizens sat back and watched your controllers do everything they did back in the day which as I point out directly leads to problems we face today.

We all ARE in the same boat. If you dont think that Europe via the controllers is behind a lot of this crap going on you need to pull the wool from over your sheeple eyes. The only difference is the US is the guns of the operation. So what do the Europeans do? Nothing they just blame it on the Americans.

George Bush? Really are you that ignorant? Have you seen my avatar? Have you read any of my posts? George Bush needs to be shot. To say I like Bush disgusts me. My point and once again if you would of read is to point out that you hands are no cleaner in all this than mine. We are all in the same boat and we all do nothing. People are waking up though and the more people we get the better. But as long as we have Europeans that think their hands are clean how will they rise up against their controllers hmm? So I call on the European sheeple to wake up and help join in the fight or you can sit back and dog on America for todays crap.




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WW2 was started because the bankers wanted it to start. Im not giving anymore history lessons. My last one was in the post right above me that you should read it pertains to you too.

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as i said before, i shall repeat myself, we have grown up and learnt from our mistakes, but america does not seem to have learnt, you cannot blame todays american policies on things done by the u.k. and france in the past, answer me this how have europes past actions made america march on iraq to depose a man that america put in power?, we all know it was oil related not because of millenia old actions, if that was the case, then blame the romans or the mongols, america would not even exist as it is today without the actions of europe in the past, we took and put you all there. all the world were sheeples at one point, but with the advent of global media and the internet that has all changed as now there is a forum for the likes of us to investigate and discuss all of these topics, but in the past theonly place to see what was happening was a news reel at the cinema, wise up and face it, america has become an imperialistic nation a bully and a horses arse, it is a shame because when i visited the states i met some nice people

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for america ww2 was different to the uk, i know the official history and i know the alternative history, but if you had ever asked the people (public) of england at that time the reason they put there lives on the line was to protect their families and their country from a tyrant only 25 miles away, hitler never posed a threat in the minds of the american public so they never really gave a hoot, england left the wars behind but america is still dancing to the sound of their guns to this day some 60 years later, biggest thing that bothers me is that you and our politicians are dragging the u.k. down to your standards, you may laugh but english people are wise and cynical and we have seen it all before

Originally posted by THELONIO
biggest thing that bothers me is that you and our politicians are dragging the u.k. down to your standards, you may laugh but english people are wise and cynical and we have seen it all before

Heh So me and MY politicians are dragging the UK in all of this. No actually its My controllers and YOUR controllers dragging us BOTH into these wars. But they make this seem likes its the US so the UK doesnt rise up against the men behind the curtain.

This exercise is futile. Assessing blame is meaningless. The world is being played for fools.The point is people need to wake up and understand the world is being minipulated. We need to as a people get rid of the us and them mentality. We really are the two sides of the same coin being flipped by a power more powerfull than we can imagine. Here is a link that moves to a better understanding of where the focus needs to shifted.Read this

There is also a thread started by Plasmacutter that discusses this info HERE
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Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by mybigunit

 

as i said before, i shall repeat myself, we have grown up and learnt from our mistakes, but america does not seem to have learnt, you cannot blame todays american policies on things done by the u.k. and france in the past, answer me this how have europes past actions made america march on iraq to depose a man that america put in power?, we all know it was oil related not because of millenia old actions, if that was the case, then blame the romans or the mongols, america would not even exist as it is today without the actions of europe in the past, we took and put you all there. all the world were sheeples at one point, but with the advent of global media and the internet that has all changed as now there is a forum for the likes of us to investigate and discuss all of these topics, but in the past theonly place to see what was happening was a news reel at the cinema, wise up and face it, america has become an imperialistic nation a bully and a horses arse, it is a shame because when i visited the states i met some nice people

The people of the UK have learned nothing. Your controllers are still getting you into wars just like our across the pond is us. The people of the UK are letting it happen just like the people of the US.

As far as Iraq I suggest you read up on some history if you dont think the UK had anything to do with the Iraq situation of today.

en.wikipedia.org...

Start at the British Mandate section and read on.

As far as citizens here in the US we all love the Brits. My friend from the UK comes once every couple years and we party hard till we all throw up So to insinuate that me and other Americans are just UK haters that is obserd. I just think that you guys need to understand your history a little more so you know that this isnt just a US imperial quest. We ALL are involved in this in one light or another and until we all stand up to the controllers this is what we are going to get.

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The illumimatrix....interesting...watching the video now.

reply to post by mybigunit


as i said we left it all behind some half a century ago, we acted as part of the league of nations everthing that we did was above board, the us could not even wait for the u.n. decision before invadeing, whether we did stuff that might of been looked at as bad we played by the rules, the u.s. have not, a law unto themselves

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we acted as part of the league of nations everthing that we did was above board

My friend, that sums up your understanding of world events. Do some more research.

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by mybigunit

 

as i said we left it all behind some half a century ago, we acted as part of the league of nations everthing that we did was above board, the us could not even wait for the u.n. decision before invadeing, whether we did stuff that might of been looked at as bad we played by the rules, the u.s. have not, a law unto themselves

Wow there isnt much I can say to that you really got me there. The League of Nations gave the ok so it was ok to plunder and pillage Iraq and Iran. You really have to wake up man I mean cmon the UN & League of Nations??? I have nothing more to say on this subject.

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A very quick search on the UN produced this link HERE If one was to spend some time researching this subject, it would become evident ,that the UN is best kept out of your supporting argument.

Originally posted by mybigunit
Wow the rhetoric in this post is quite hilarious and continues to prove that I have to keep repeating myself

You are confusing! If you actually had a coherent message and stance then you would have saved us all rom this headeache of a post. Here we go:

You claim to be a non-sheeple then rant about 'we' this and 'we' that. We = America

You do realise that the 'we' you are referring to is the rest of the herd right?

If you are not understanding this maybe you would rather I used your language:

Bleat. Bleat bleaty bleat bleat bleaty bleat.

You keep banging on about history this and history that. Your selective time frame is deceitful.

Now for the wake up call:

You are not really American are you? You are the new type of American. You are probably the ancestor of barbaric europeans who murdered native indians. You are not indigenous to America. You are one of us. And you wonder why there is confusion over your post?!

Extend your time frame to fit that in and your argument turns to crap.

YOu say that it is the secret powers that be that are running the show.

If it is a secret then how do you know it is not the Americans who are the powers that be?

My controllers are your controllers are everyones controllers.

The blame lays firmly with them or nowhere at all surely?

USing your argument we should blame the dinosaurs. Had they any balls whatsoever, and if only they were a little more diligent, they could have survived, they could have eaten the human race and there would be no wars.

Or maybe we could lay all the blame on the boat builders and explorers for opening up the world map in the first place?

Sounds dafts eh? Dinosaurs and bot builders are to blame? Utter madness. Well blaming a pre-WW2 European government for the rape and murder of innocent men, women and children in Iraq takes madness to a new level.

As for the uprising.

The internet is a very strong tool in the hands of the people. Back in the internet-free days, it would have been very difficult to organise an effective, surprise uprising against the powers that be.

Show me the evidence that clearly states that there was not a human being that disagreed with the government of that time.

Move on. We need solutions.

You are just moaning and whining. Get off of your arse and actually do something instead of getting a hard on online over a confused opinion. You bang on about waking up, joining the fight and not sitting back. Where in the name of god is your army? Where is your war. Is this post your attempted backlash against the powers that be? My god. They must be quaking in their boots.

I was born and live in the UK. My hands are clean. I am me. I am not a piece of government-tagged british beef they call their own.

Now convince me that my hands are dirty.

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