Europe NOT the US is to Blame For the Issues of Today!!!!!

reply to post by Maxmars


Star for you well said. Much better articulation *Cough* than my own.

Originally posted by gate13
so is it europes fault that the british and the US both agreed to give isareal to the jews ,pushing the palastinians out of a home causeing more tension in that region?

funny enough it was the US who had the final say on this.

was there answer yes because the US main christian donomination is evangelists and they beleive for christ's second coming all the jews must live in isreal?

Actually the US had nothing to do with giving Israel to the Jews. It was UK occupied land and even UK had its reservations about giving it to the Jews they just wanted to give them a place to escape the anti semitism. The Jews took it upon themselves to make the state their own but the Brits gave them the opportunity to be had.

Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Maxmars

 

Star for you well said. Much better articulation *Cough* than my own.

You prior guest, I suspect, meant no disrespect. I disagree, and think your points were made quite clearly. Besides, we are expressing ourselves, so we will all sound different, even if it means breaking some grammatical rules.

reply to post by mybigunit


im not gona get into no arguments on who is right or wrong but what happen with the jews goes a little bit more deeper then the british just gave them a place to escape.


90% of it has to do with religion if not evrything. cause if they wanted them to escape they should have sent them to the middle of no where like australia or something lol.

Originally posted by mybigunit

Originally posted by dampnickers
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You said it yourself that you are "not a smart man"....

Yup American and Russian arms dealers made some money no doubt. So did the American and European International bankers. But Vietnam is not an issue today either is it. It was an issue 40 years ago. It was started by France and finished by Us. When I said Im not a smart man I was being sarcastic...you know ha ha funny?

The Vietnamese finished the war I remeber seeing the Americans with tails between their legs trying to catch the last chopper out of dodge

As far as Russia being Asia or Europe it depends on what you want to believe. I promise you though Russia will be part of the Asian Union and not the European Union when the crap starts to fly.

lol Russia over laps into both Europe and Asia

Also the issues of Today that I am referring to if you read the original post is the Middle East ie Iran, Iraq, and Israel/Palestine. We can go war by war though if you would like. Im up for giving a history lesson. These are the issues that is causing the Europeans to dog on Americans they way you guys do.
On this I already said I agree with you ,Though Americans are responsible for their end.Blair told Bush to stand up and fly right . As Bush isn't capable of stringing 2 sentences together let alone tell Blair what to do.
Blair has some questions to answer as well . British troops dressed like Arabs caught red handed like with IEDs INDEED
Since the masters of the British are the masters America the British get to wash their hands of any blame when your lower on the chain you get to take the brunt of it







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One Canadian diplomat during one day could of accomplished more than the combined British and American forces in IRAQ in these past 7 years.
But peace was not the objective protracted war was.


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We still have some people in the sand box thats good

reply to post by mybigunit


You are so right about everything. Europe is producing a lot of snobs. They think their better than everyone else. They like to talk down to us and try to tell us how to do things. They are so focused on being the good guys that they would sooner let the enemy take over their countries than have to be a bully. So America has to be the big bad bully because Europe has cut off their balls and are too concerned with being neutral.

I say we cut all ties with Europe and the ME and let them figure it out.

Originally posted by Maxmars
Sadly, when the common man embraces angst against another country, he is engaging in the lowest form of patriotism. The kind that leaders love the most, the kind that doesn't ask the hard questions' it just follows. But even then, in a nation full of such people, the root and source of the hatred comes - not from direct knowledge. It comes from what they have come to accept as true, and not necessarily what is true. What the people hold to be true is what their leaders tell them, presumably.

I could not have put this better myself, at this late hour (in my time zone at least).

Originally posted by gate13
reply to post by mybigunit

 

im not gona get into no arguments on who is right or wrong but what happen with the jews goes a little bit more deeper then the british just gave them a place to escape.


90% of it has to do with religion if not evrything. cause if they wanted them to escape they should have sent them to the middle of no where like australia or something lol.

Actually the Germans wanted to send them to Madagascar but that plan was scratched to implement the final solution. The fact is the US and a lot of European nations could of saved a lot of Jews lives if they would of allowed them to immigrate to their countries. But they set limits and refused a lot of Jews. Israel is part of a movement called the Zionist movement which was started in the late 1800s but became a real goal for the Rothschilds.

Originally posted by Maxmars

Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Maxmars

 

Star for you well said. Much better articulation *Cough* than my own.

You prior guest, I suspect, meant no disrespect. I disagree, and think your points were made quite clearly. Besides, we are expressing ourselves, so we will all sound different, even if it means breaking some grammatical rules.

I think he thinks Im some blind government sheeple when you and everyone else knows this to not be the truth. This is why I dont think I expressed my point correctly. I know for sure I did in my first post though.

reply to post by Sheeper



What a very out moded view.

It has nothing to do with being 'a big bully' or 'better than anyone else'.

What most people fail to realise, is that what we should do is engage in reasoned, logical, factual debate. Instead, what tends to happen, as has been shown on this post many times, is that emotions and 'patriotism' come into play.

As such 'mud slinging' occurs, and the debate is sidelined. Finger pointing rapidly follows and the real reason for having a debate if lost.

It is sad, but most often true.

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by mybigunit

 

You are so right about everything. Europe is producing a lot of snobs. They think their better than everyone else. They like to talk down to us and try to tell us how to do things. They are so focused on being the good guys that they would sooner let the enemy take over their countries than have to be a bully. So America has to be the big bad bully because Europe has cut off their balls and are too concerned with being neutral.

I say we cut all ties with Europe and the ME and let them figure it out.

Yes your catching on mate
Americans are the fodder
Canada the resources and middleman
England the brains bag man and planning

bravo mate

reply to post by gate13


Gate, my point exactly, the causes of the ME problems are far more deep rooted than nationhood and lie in bigotry and dogma.

Mud slinging achieves little more than maintaining the current situation and go's no way in addressing core issues.

Originally posted by mybigunit

Actually the Germans wanted to send them to Madagascar

but that plan was scratched to implement the final solution. The fact is the US and a lot of European nations could of saved a lot of Jews lives if they would of allowed them to immigrate to their countries. But they set limits and refused a lot of Jews. Israel is part of a movement called the Zionist movement which was started in the late 1800s but became a real goal for the Rothschilds.

Have you read "Mein Kampf"?

In that book Adolf is very clear about what the 'Jewish solution' should be. It alludes in no uncertain terms that Jews are a problem to be 'dealth with most harshly'.

There was no 'wanting to send them to Madagascar'. There was an 'official story', but then there were the facts of the matter.

Further, a LOT of members of the Jewis faith (not Jews), saw themselves as citizens of their respective nations. I personally knew a Polish man who fled to England during the war with his family. He always said he was English, with Polish roots... it had nothing to do with this personal beliefs.

One final point, have you ever been to Israel? I suspect not. In which case I shall enlighten you. In Isreal today, there are many members of the Jewish faith. Most of these people are totally unaware of the Zionist movement....

You might be surprise to learn that MOST people on earth are in the dark about most things. Most people on earth haven't got a clue about the Zionist movement, including ordinary Jews.

You may like to know that it is all about the FEW controlling the MANY. As such, a FEW know, and the MANY do not.

Food for thought, and I have said all I wish to for the evening. Have yourself a good one.

Originally posted by dampnickers


Have you read "Mein Kampf"?

In that book Adolf is very clear about what the 'Jewish solution' should be. It alludes in no uncertain terms that Jews are a problem to be 'dealth with most harshly'.

There was no 'wanting to send them to Madagascar'. There was an 'official story', but then there were the facts of the matter.

history1900s.about.com...

Actually they did want to send them to Madagascar. Not only that they even set up government agencies to try and get the Jews out. Not only to Madagascar but to anyone who would take them. Many countries would not take in the Jews due to bogus immigration limits that were set. The Jewish Question was "What is the Jews roll in European Society" Hitlers Final Solution to the Jewish Question is No roll death. But he didnt implement the final solution right away. He did try booting them out and he didnt care where they went. A lot of Jews did get out but the ones that didnt...well we all know what happened to them.

Further, a LOT of members of the Jewis faith (not Jews), saw themselves as citizens of their respective nations. I personally knew a Polish man who fled to England during the war with his family. He always said he was English, with Polish roots... it had nothing to do with this personal beliefs.

One final point, have you ever been to Israel? I suspect not. In which case I shall enlighten you. In Isreal today, there are many members of the Jewish faith. Most of these people are totally unaware of the Zionist movement....

You might be surprise to learn that MOST people on earth are in the dark about most things. Most people on earth haven't got a clue about the Zionist movement, including ordinary Jews.

You may like to know that it is all about the FEW controlling the MANY. As such, a FEW know, and the MANY do not.

Food for thought, and I have said all I wish to for the evening. Have yourself a good one.

No I have not been to Israel. I know that many Jews are not part and dont want any part of the movement. Ill say this again I AGREE WITH YOU on the few controlling many. I think where we differ is I feel that when America was formed we were trying to be different. Away from the Few controlling many. I feel it was this way (except for a few attempts) until 1913. That is where we differ. As far as present day we are all controlled by a select few. We agree here.

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this might be abit far fetched but the problems of the US could have been caused by some powerfull jewish people witin the USA who maybe influenced the way the US should conduct bussiness regarding islamic countries to suit the jewish ideals and plans going into the future.

i reckon if the US cut all ties with isreal and said to islamic extremists we want nothing to do with the jews they can fend for them selfs you could probably get out of the mess you have with islamic terrorists.

the jews are the causes of many problems of this world. they will crucify anyone who goes against there beliefs and history has shown us this.

but the problems of the world were created long before america was born and they have just added abit more fuel to the fire.

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reply to post by gate13


Your beating around the bush. The extremists Jews do run this country. Hell the Mossad is in our government in high places as we speak....

www.viewzone.com...

A little link to show that.

Originally posted by mybigunit

Also the Hessians fought with the British not the Americans once again check your history.

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Actually, the Hessians fought as auxiliaries on behalf of Britain during the American Revolutionary War. They made up around 1/4 of the overall forces that belonged to or fought on Britain's side.

Yes some switch sides, your revolutionary leaders did send letters to many of them promising sizable chunks of land to them if they deserted after all.


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Regarding Russia, anything west of the Ural mountain range in Russia counts as Europe, anything east of the Ural mountains counts as Asia..etc. After all Russia is a transcontinental country and it extends across the whole of northern Asia and 40% of Europe last I knew.

Originally posted by Marshall Ormus

Originally posted by mybigunit

Also the Hessians fought with the British not the Americans once again check your history.

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Actually, the Hessians fought as auxiliaries on behalf of Britain during the American Revolutionary War. They made up around 1/4 of the overall forces that belonged to or fought on Britain's side.

Ummm your confusing me. Didnt I say in my statement the Hessians fought with the British? ...Oh I see ...once again print instead of voice. When I said they fought with the British I meant they fought on the same side as the British. An example of miscommunication on print