Europe NOT the US is to Blame For the Issues of Today!!!!!

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thank you, very nicely put

reply to post by skibtz


Sucks when you cant debate the issues so you have to go with more rhetoric and sheeple talk. Its good to see you can talk sheeple also with the "bleet bleet bleety bleet"

My time frame deceitful? No Ive made it pretty clear my time frame of when this began and if you dont think that things from 70 to 100 years ago cant and doesnt affect issues of today then I dont know what to say. We are only talking one generation.

Your controllers werent my controllers till 1913. Thats when we all became part of the same boat. But even then the US wasnt a big player in this big chess game till after WW2. UK and France had their run on the world till this time. Ive pointed out with facts and even links how the UK and Frances past imperialistic agendas are directly linked to now and you have provided nothing but "But Bleet Bleet Bleety Bleet"

As far as getting off my arse and doing something I am. Im letting the Europeans know that instead of sitting back and letting America and its citizens take all the blame for todays issues that you need to take a look at your own history and realize that past imperialistic agendas are causing a lot of these issues and if you dont think that the people that control you guys arent directly involved in what the American government is doing your flipping mad.

I didnt say you were government tagged beef at all I dont know where you got that. I told you that you were government brand lamb. Theres a difference. G'Day M8

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yyou just dont get it, your country is just to blame for the past but mostly for the present, you can resort to calling people sheeple if you want but it just dont wash

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Europe gave us World War I, World War II, and Communism. I don't see why we need to follow their lead on anything.

By the way "patriot" is someone who is willing to take up arms in the defense of their country, as in the case of those who responded to Paul Revere at Lexington and Concord. "Liberals" and "Progressives" pervert the definition to include those who protest their countries actions.

People like Barack Obama who have never even seen the inside of a recruiting station and question people who question their patriotism are pathetic.

Originally posted by mybigunit
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My time frame deceitful? No Ive made it pretty clear my time frame of when this began and if you dont think that things from 70 to 100 years ago cant and doesnt affect issues of today then I dont know what to say. We are only talking one generation.

What I am saying is that you are using a timeframe of 100 years to accuse someone of being ignorant although they are using a here-and-now timeframe to judge America.

Selective and decietful? Absolutely.

Lets put it this way. Someone has been found dead. They catch the man who committed the act. The man admits it was him. However, when in court his defence is that the urge to kill is due to the programming of his genetic make-up over the last several thousand years. It was not his fault.

By your logic, anyone who brands this man a killer or wishes to see him judged and sentenced can't do so without being branded ignorant for they too have blood on their hands because they share the same genetic evolution.

Your controllers werent my controllers till 1913.

You do not know who the controllers are. They are secret. You are guessing.

As far as getting off my arse and doing something I am.

Where do I sign up?

Do you have a website?

Maybe you meet up once a week with likeminded people to discuss your next demonstration?

Where is this place? It would be good to meet you in person.

Or maybe, as I suspect, you have just sat on your arse and made another us-and-them post.

Im letting the Europeans know that instead of sitting back and letting America and its citizens take all the blame for todays issues that you need to take a look at your own history and realize that past imperialistic agendas are causing a lot of these issues.

A butterfly flaps it wings in Europe and a hurricane kills a person in America.

Quickly fellow Americans! Let's hunt down this murderous European butterfly and kill it!

Enough said.

I didnt say you were government tagged beef at all I dont know where you got that. I told you that you were government brand lamb. Theres a difference. G'Day M8

Are you Antipodean?

[edit on 3/8/2008 by skibtz]

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Then, if the Europeans have full responsibility for facts that happened, let's say, one hundred years ago, I assume your legacy to your grandsons will be to prepare them for the responsibility of the facts happened from JFK's assasination to this day (and God knows how many other years).

I assume that, since you are so jealous defenders of the US war politics and at the same time blame Europe for facts as old as 100 years ago, your legacy to your children and grandchildren will be to teach them to accept their responsibilities for the facts since JFK's assassination until the present days, or the present century, who knows?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
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Then, if the Europeans have full responsibility for facts that happened, let's say, one hundred years ago, I assume your legacy to your grandsons will be to prepare them for the responsibility of the facts happened from JFK's assasination to this day (and God knows how many other years).

That's a fair observation and we will face those issues when we come to that bridge in the meantime we are dealing with the present day and age. The OP was stating in the original post the Europe needs to stop bashing the US and remember that some of the present day situations are of their own creation and we are dealing with those issues one at a time as they present themselves and maybe not in the way they like but at least we are trying.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
...we are dealing with the present day and age.

Good. The goal posts are now in place.

The OP was stating in the original post the Europe needs to stop bashing the US and remember that some of the present day situations are of their own creation

Oh dear. You seemed to have moved the goal posts.

Get a grip mate, either you are using the here and now (which is fine) or you are using history selectively (which again is fine).

Make your fricken mind up.

Choose one and stick with it.

Originally posted by skibtz


Oh dear. You seemed to have moved the goal posts.

Get a grip mate, either you are using the here and now (which is fine) or you are using history selectively (which again is fine).

Make your fricken mind up.

Choose one and stick with it.

The present situations in the world are not all of our making. GOAL!!!!
We are PRESENTLY dealing with many of Europes left overs. GOAL!!!

So the situation is dynamic and not easily solved like some football game or soccer as we call it. GOAL! SCORED, SLAMDUNKED, OUT OF THE PARK!

Originally posted by SLAYER69

The present situations in the world are not all of our making. GOAL!!!!

"we are dealing with the present day and age"

OFFSIDE!!!

We are PRESENTLY dealing with many of Europes left overs. GOAL!!!

"we are dealing with the present day and age"

OFFSIDE!!!

SLAMDUNKED, OUT OF THE PARK!

Wrong sports.

RED CARD!!!

Originally posted by skibtz

Wrong sports..

RED CARD!!!

You say tomoto, I say tomato, you say pototo I say potato.

Any way the fact remains that the US is presently dealing with both issues with resent causes and many from europes past and that we
"Are dealing with them in the here and now" it's both!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Any way the fact remains that the US is presently dealing with both issues with resent causes and many from europes past and that we
"Are dealing with them in the here and now" it's both!

I understand what you are saying and normally I would agree but I believe that Iraq is all about the oil and the Taliban in Afghanistan are CIA-trained so I struggle with the whole blame game.

Actually, I do not.

We are all to blame. What we need to do is act in the here and now to ensure a future that absolves the past.

Peace.

Originally posted by skibtz
We are all to blame. What we need to do is act in the here and now to ensure a future that absolves the past.

Peace.

GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IRAQ is all about oil, no argument there. Afghanistan well that's a whole other discussion. The point I was trying to make is that the US is not the world’s only boogeyman. And we should stop trying to act like the worlds police and other countries should stop asking us to be that as well.


You have to admit that many NOT all but many of the world’s issues stem from actions done in the past. Both from the US and Europe? Again though the US should not be singled out when there is plenty of blame to go around.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
You have to admit that many NOT all but many of the world’s issues stem from actions done in the past. Both from the US and Europe? Again though the US should not be singled out when there is plenty of blame to go around.

My argument was that the blame can be shifted around conveniently depending on which time frame you use. So spanning our complete past, seems fair, we are all to blame.

To be honest, I am more of a forward thinking person. The past is history. Spend too much time on that and you dont have a here and now.

I feel that a 0 - 0 draw is the order of the day

3 pages later people are STILL typing in this thread

Grow up! blaming is pointless. The thread is a complete an utter waste of time to discuss. Its discusses ignorance and excuses.

USA grow up. The people of the nation become aware of your problems, and stop pointing the blame elsewhere.


P.S somebody edit that redicolous and misleading thread title.

Originally posted by mind is the universe
USA grow up. The people of the nation become aware of your problems, and stop pointing the blame elsewhere.

Whats the phrase?

Oh yeah Deny Ignorance.

No one said the US is blaming somebody else for our issues. It would just be nice if Europe stood up and took some responsibility for some of the worlds present day problems and admit that they had a major hand in them is all.

Opens door,

This pathetic thread still going.

Its like tennis in here, ball going back and forth, back and forth.

The intellegent people just sit back and watch everyone blaming each other


Hilarious, I feel sorry for the person who created this thread, really I do...

*Closes door*

[edit on 12-8-2008 by mind is the universe]

Originally posted by SLAYER69


Whats the phrase?

Oh yeah Deny Ignorance.

No one said the US is blaming somebody else for our issues. It would just be nice if Europe stood up and took some responsibility for some of the worlds present day problems and admit that they had a major hand in them is all.

LOL, Europe never denied anything. Most countries in Europe at present are not making the same mistakes as America is. Curruption is in every country there is no arguing that. But the reality is America for the last 8 has behaved like a teenager out of control. Wars is just the only method of dealing with any situation. That is the CURRENT problem. Yesterday cannot be changed. Today can be set example for tommorrow

SO STOP MAKING STUPID EXCUSES FFS.

Anyway this thread is pathetic, why are people arguing over like a bunch of kids. The elites is the problem not the countries.

Shame on the guy who created this thread His thread is totally unecessary and inappropriate.

Again grow up people. This like child in the pram blaming the other kid for knocking its bottle over.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by mind is the universe]

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WoW! nice site.

Thanks for posting that link.

Im not even 1 / 10 done reading it,holy crap, talk about getting waylayed , i seem to keep skipping around and getting wrapped up ,in what i was reading , and forgetting what led me to the section that waylayd me LOL !.

Information overload

Wanted to say thanks again ,very wierd but cool site.

Was cleaning out bookmarks,and this post was in them LOL,along with others,lots to go over,from about the same time. LOL forgot i saved them ,kinda like memory lane of info HEHE.

But thanks again.