Why do many claime that there is no evidence at all?

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Star and flag for you.

Skeptics are an interesting bunch because in contrast with believers they often seem more credible because of the objective way skeptics handle and percieve the evidence. If believers acted more like skeptics they'd probably be taken more seriously.

for me personally i know that they do exist and *are here*.

i don't care what the hoi polloi believes, if they're happy to think that just because we haven't been shown any evidence like landings on the white house lawn...then fine - i would just say to those people "stick your head back in the sand and have fun!".

i think i'm safe in saying that most of the people on planet earth now know that the earth is not flat but actually a sphere after all?.

great thread!


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I think your quite right about that yeah. If all believers approached the public community in a more objectiv and investigative way we would probably be taken more seriously.
What I think is sad is that a lot of the believers are so blinded for any other possibilities that they're actually digging their own graves with the statement they makes when they are questioned by a non-believer witch aventuly makes them the laughing stock of a lot of people.

It's important to be open minded for all possibilities regarding this higly controversial subject, since sensational claims alone easley will be laught at.



And to raise another question regarding this. What if what we think of as alien, is infact a sort of intradimensional beeings or entitèes? Beeings capable of controlling the energy they put out, like for example in form og light. Witch could explained why they suddenly appare right in front of us, and then just dissapare again, because they're capable of going in and out of the lightspectrum that we can see.
Ofcourse this is just another controversial aspect of if. But hey, it is a theory among all the others.

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True, so ture. It's important to make up your own mind and don't care what other people might say.

And the fact about the earth not beeing flat, is a proof than in perhaps 100 years, or only 10 years, we might have found out of thinks that people discarded and laught at for a hundred years ago. Who knows what time will bring into light. So I guess at least we who don't laught our butts of at everything will be able to get the last laught if something turns out to be quite more astonishing then anyone could imagine.

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And to raise another question regarding this. What if what we think of as alien, is infact a sort of intradimensional beeings or entitèes? Beeings capable of controlling the energy they put out, like for example in form og light. Witch could explained why they suddenly appare right in front of us, and then just dissapare again, because they're capable of going in and out of the lightspectrum that we can see.
Ofcourse this is just another controversial aspect of if. But hey, it is a theory among all the others.


A lot of people have had this theory over the years and put it together with time travel theories, which I find interesting. Many think that aliens are perhaps (as the popular show the 2400 discussed) humans from the future or another time line that are far more evolved than we are. They have almost reached a "god like" status with their intellect and power and use it to travel through world lines or to the past for whatever reason.

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Tried to start a new thread with this topic in mind. I think it would do the UFO and NTI believers a great service if we ourselves eliminated the language that facilitates doubt and skepticism when we speak openly about this issue. I see alot of if's and maybe's when we are having discussions of this nature. It only furthers the general publics' non believers ideas that we are a bunch of loonies when we describe our experiences with this stuff. We do our 'cause' a great disservice when outside observers see only that we constantly bicker and degrade each other. What we can do is change our tactics by using better descriptive language and less nay-saying amongst our selves.

Originally posted by TopSecretArea

Originally posted by TheOracle
There is overwhelming evidence and you posted a few of them. What skeptics want is hard proof like an intact ufo with alien beings in a museum.

To be honest I don't think that would have helped either.

They would just have claimed that it's a perfect fake made of some unkown great artists.

But yeah, that whats all the skeptics and non-believers want before they'll agree with the possibility of inteligent life elsewhere.

Well, why would anybody want less than the best proof? Why settle for something that "may or may not" be real? Who would willingly want to be a sucker? "Might not be real? Hey, that's okay, it's good enough for me to believe it!"

As for real, hard artifacts or other evidence that can be independently tested and verified as much as anybody would care to? Hey, I'm all for that, too! Why not? "Oh, you don't have to test it. Your word is good enough for me!" One way to find out for sure, though. Produce just that kind of evidence. See what happens. Unfortunately, nobody's done that yet.

As for the "possibility" of intelligent life elsewhere, all I can say that just because something is possible, doesn't make it actual, or even likely.

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Who here believes in the validity of Drake Equation?

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My point was rather that we don't need the ultimate proof in order to be able to state that it's real. Ofcourse it would be the best proof of all, I won't argue on that, but that doesn't necisarrily mean that this is the only thing that will be concrete enough to proof their existence.

As for the "possibility" of intelligent life elsewhere, all I can say that just because something is possible, doesn't make it actual, or even likely.

Well now your just beeing close minded. And you'r also asking the wrong question. Who said that it had to be intelligent life? The first step is to determine whether or not there is life elsewhere in the universe, then comes the quest for finding life as intelligent or more intelligent then ourselfs. But if we can determine that life in some shape or form exists elsewhere we've made a huge step.

No it doesn't necissarly, but even the most respected scientists would second that statement thou. Not to believe that there isn't any sort of intelligent beeings anywhere else in this enormous universe is rather egoistic and stupid. We haven't even been able to look out of our back garden in the search for life elsewhere, so to claim it unlikely is just foolish at this point in time.

Hey thanx 4 the post, i gathered a lot of information, espically cause im into ufos. But i think u put the thread together good, so i give u stars for this one, and thumbs up

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How then, do you explain Nazca, Peru?

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Right, what are the odds of aliens possessing 2 arms, legs ect, ect., if they were not our relatives?

They would look like star wars type aliens perhaps, who knows.

Originally posted by scar
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Right, what are the odds of aliens possessing 2 arms, legs ect, ect., if they were not our relatives?

They would look like star wars type aliens perhaps, who knows.

I've always thought from descriptions of aliens that it is very likely aliens are android like. Part being, part artificial. Imagine if your organs and brain could be sustained in something that could help them live longer, and with out all the muss and fuss us humans must deal with in our own skin. A lot of people think this is why these "space travelers" may be android like. But then that brings to question, how do they mate?

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Originally posted by scar
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A lot of people think this is why these "space travelers" may be android like. But then that brings to question, how do they mate?

Perhaps they don't? Perhaps they are unisexual, don't need to interact to multiply? It's a possibility that some species could be.

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As Stanton Friedman has been saying since the '80s (or early '90s at the latest), there have been plenty of court cases won with FAR less evidence than there is for alien visitation on Earth... The real issue is too many people's mental-emotional blockage to new truths/facts. They're addicted like the Ultimate Crackheads of the Universe to secrecy-BASED government itself. That alone is the real root of the issue. How the hell can we overcome that?

another ATS member with a finger print avatar.. your mah boy blue

thank you for creating a thread which started out with such a nice vibe,

thumbs up to all the posters believer/skeptics alike who arent trying to go over the top of the previous post with more "proof" "evidence" mumbo jumbo..for the most part were talking like civilized terrens.

id like to say more,but im going to detour and read the terra papers for a while.

as for RIPOSTE who came off as ignorant and rude as a downtown bum, you kept saying it was all explained by as military shadow gov, but did you happen to see the link about the history of sightings..

thinking military forgetting history

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Thumbs up to you as well my friend! And also a thumb up from em to all you other posters here also, for beeing able to discuss the subjects brought up in this thread in a civilized maner, keep heading in this direction!



As for some of you who earlier mentioned that the pictures of the alledged "UFO pictures" from ancient Egypt was an bad example, I would like to add that there are more drawings like the once in Egypt found all over the world from different time periods. I'll give some few more examples in this post.
But before I do, I would like to emphesise my point about this beeing controversial evidence and that you'll have to take it in consideration with all other evidence built up thru time.

From japan...

Like the website said: "This is an artistic reproduction of a relief found in a labyrinth on the island Jotuo in the Toengt'ing lake"


This is an image that today hangs in the church of San Lorenzo in San Pietro, Montalcino, Italy.

The painting called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino"

That looks like an UFO to me? And sertanly the shadow government could not have been responseble for that flying craft back then could they?

Another painting example:


And some more...


What about this?

And a close up:

I'm not claiming that this is more evidence of ET existence, but I do however claim this to be evidence that tell's us that even if some egyptian drawings can be debunked there is so many drawings like this from all over the world that something is wrong with the whole picture of it. And we can't say that the people who have drawn and painted these pictures have seen either wheather baloons or secret airplane tests in the sky.

I think the best evidence in recent times, and perhaps the best of all time, is the MUFON report of the radar evidence of the Stephenville-Dublin (TX) craft on January 8. That damn thing was simply very huge and fast (as the witnesses' testimony said)! Jeezus, in a more sanity and reality-based paradigm than this one, the "mainstream" media would've been all over it like ugly on an ape (or as it were), and we would be in the process of Disclosure/Contact already.

Originally posted by LordThumbs
as for RIPOSTE who came off as ignorant and rude as a downtown bum, you kept saying it was all explained by as military shadow gov, but did you happen to see the link about the history of sightings..

Once you're done with The Terra Papers...you'll know that the Shadow Govt has been around quite a while... Today they control many militaries. They have ruled and manipulated through priesthoods, secret societies, governments and militaries.

Enjoy the reading. [smile]

Originally posted by spookjr
How then, do you explain Nazca, Peru?

One way to explain it is the universal ancient worship of the planet Saturn, which they saw in the sky, thereby implying that Saturn was watching them too.

ive seen them personally, dont need proof, they are real, wait till you see one yourself, you will need to change your underwear...