Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted

Of course it's hard to find.

Why wouldn't it be?

See, it usually goes like this:

A highly respected, well-known, well-credentialed government employee has conclusive evidence that UFOs and alien life exists.

When you dig a little further, what you get is:

A well-known government employee has conclusive evidence that UFOs and alien life exists.

Shake the tree a little further and you get:

Someone who purportedly worked for the government has conclusive evidence that UFOs and alien life exist.

And still further:

Someone who allegedly worked for the government in some fashion claims to have evidence that UFOs and alien life exists, but cannot disclose that evidence for fear of retribution.

Still further:

Someone who may or may not have worked for the government claims he has evidence for the existence of alien life, but is refusing to give evidence to support his claims, even though he is attempting to sell the story behind that evidence because the government robbed him of his pension.

BS meter? Anyone, anyone???

And you believers wonder why us skeptics are so mean and unfair.




[edit on 30-7-2008 by thrashee]

reply to post by NGC2736

I remember Eisonhower as POTUS

Remember seeing Sputnik? I have been a member of ATS for several years and have noticed that many think they know something. This shows their immaturity and lack of experience. As we get older, the more we realize we don't know 1/10 of 1% about anything. Personally, I have been in two wars, around the world twice, lived in several different countries, post graduate education and believe me I don't know squat.

Now if someone says they have seen an 8-9 foot tall alien, OK, who am I to say they hadn't. However, should one show up on TV and be genuine, allot of people will wish they were waring Depends that day. I am sure they will soil themselves!

It would be prudent for the young to learn; youth and exuberance can easily be foiled by old age and treachery.

EDITED to add:One further point, facts please not hearsay.

[edit on 7/31/2008 by pstrron]

reply to post by pstrron


So your point is, err....what, exactly?

This dude is old, and therefore we should believe him?

reply to post by thrashee


i dont suppose you can provide any evidence that he didnt work for NASA ?

or do you have any documentation to prove that what he is saying is lie?

im not saying things are true or false just enquiring and looking around for "Evidence" to prove or disprove...

maybe it is all garbage but ive lost nothing trying to find the truth

From what Ive heard and read from Cooper and Collier aliens look like us.\

I expect people look like people everywhere.

I saw this today and it made me mad



which is a redone copy of

www.nasaimages.org...:Mars-Rover-Panorama-Shows-Vista-Fro

because the people who live on Mars appeared just like Native Americans.

Theres all this fuss about people who look weird and we cant even deal with Bigfoot and we freak out over size or hair or color or whatever.

Never mind the mind that is between the ears.


sarc

reply to post by thrashee


Not that we should believe him just because he is old, just don't discredit him due to age. Younger people are quick to discredit the older one is. They in time will learn age does not always make for a dulling of the mind.

reply to post by Demandred


I don't have to. Enough people in here have questioned his employment history, and his motives, to introduce reasonable doubt.

It's solely up to him, at this point, to prove why anyone should take him seriously.

Judging from his solicitations for money, and the incredibly crude postings he's made both here and on his website, I'm guessing he'll fail.

reply to post by pstrron


I'm not discrediting him because of his age. Hardly that.

In fact, his age is the only bonus point he's won for me.

Everything else considered, he's not doing too well.

Originally posted by thrashee
Judging from his solicitations for money, and the incredibly crude postings he's made both here and on his website

He posted here?

Originally posted by Demandred
i dont suppose you can provide any evidence that he didnt work for NASA ?

How does one prove that someone "didn't" anything? Can you prove that I have never owned a Chevrolet?


[edit on 31/7/08 by Misfit]

reply to post by thrashee


True, as for myself, facts please, show me some evidence here. Just claiming something just doesn't cut it. Asking for funds, wanting in the lime light is not helping his cause.

reply to post by Misfit


well he made statements with such conviction questioning the integrity of clark i thought he must have had evidence to support his claims.

if people want to debunk theres more to it than just saying "no it isnt".

you need to provide evidence to the contrary as to why the claim is false, just as much as person making these claims need to provide evidence that what they say is true.

if theres no evidence either way then the whole theory gets stuck in limbo, however if this person is who he says he is thats alot of weight to the credible side of the argument...

The person making the claim and the person who believes the claim are solely responsible for providing proof, not the skeptics. If this guy wants Bill Gates to give him millions then he has to at least chum the waters first, not with words but with actual evidence.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by DraconianKing]

Originally posted by thrashee
reply to post by Demandred

 

I don't have to. Enough people in here have questioned his employment history, and his motives, to introduce reasonable doubt.

It's solely up to him, at this point, to prove why anyone should take him seriously.

Judging from his solicitations for money, and the incredibly crude postings he's made both here and on his website, I'm guessing he'll fail.

This is information provided to me by Clark a couple of years ago. I deal with the guy, and find him to be honest and reliable (if not cantankerous). I have yet to find anyone who has evidence that he is lying about his career - probably because he isn't.

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Clark C. McClelland has been involved in the study of alien life visiting earth since 1947. He was the Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomona at Cape Canaveral and Kennedy Space Center, Florida for a period of 12 years and later the Director of the MUFON Unit at KSC and Assistant State of Florida Director of the Mutual UFO Network for two years.
McClelland was trained in Astronomy (Amateur) at the former Buhl Planetarium, Pittsburgh, PA and was a planetary observer (Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Venus, etc.) at the Allegheny Observatory of the University of Pittsburgh under former Director, Dr. Nicholas E. Wagman. His observations were published in Sky and Telescope Magazine, The Strolling Astronomer Magazine, in Japan and in the science journal of the Soviet Academy of Science.
McClelland joined the US Space Program in 1958 and observed or assisted in launching 628 rockets and space missions since that time.
He was the actual X-Files at the Cape and KSC during his years in the US Space Program.
McClelland was a member of a ONI Unit (Office of Naval Intelligence) at Patrick Air Force Base South of Cape Canaveral, Florida.

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Clark is the real deal - his recent 'release' was prompted by the wave of excitement caused by Edgar Mitchell's recent radio comments - that rippled around the globe in UFO circles. I assume that he assumed that the Mitchell comments would have garnered far more media attention than they did. Sure he was wanting to cash in on the wave, but he certainly wouldn't fabricate anything to do so.

Duncan

Originally posted by DraconianKing
The person making the claim and the person who believes the claim are solely responsible for providing proof, not the skeptics. If this guy wants Bill Gates to give him millions then he has to at least chum the waters first, not with words but with actual evidence.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by DraconianKing]

true to a degree, however if someone is going to make a serious attempt to debunk something like this then there needs to be contrary evidence. clever evasions, sarcasm and statements of no substance dont debunk its just mischief making

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Demandred]

Originally posted by Misfit
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How does one prove that someone "didn't" anything? Can you prove that I have never owned a Chevrolet?


[edit on 31/7/08 by Misfit]

can you prove you did ?
oops sorry bout 1 liner...

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Demandred]

I don't get it. The guy said he saw an alien and he is a NASA employee. I understand questioning everything and trying to find hard evidence to support claims, but I don't see what the big argument is here. If he said he has seen an alien and they are present in probably many top secret missions then this is a monumental claim. The fact that this guy is a weathered astronaut makes this an important statement.

We can question his sanity for pages and pages but that is not going to get us anywhere.

Take it for what it is and put whatever worth you want to put on it.

This isn't official disclosure. Big Deal.
It also isn't proven fact. So What.

Personally I think it is a big deal. Whether it's true or not.

Just not sure what it really means!

reply to post by nexusmagazine


his employment history in my mind adds alot of weight to his claims, its a pity he doesnt have anything stronger to support what he says.

its going to be interesting to see if there is any reaction from the organisations he worked for.

I suspect it would be difficalt to assasinate the charecter of someone with such a resume to his name.

Originally posted by thespyral
I don't get it. The guy said he saw an alien and he is a NASA employee. I understand questioning everything and trying to find hard evidence to support claims, but I don't see what the big argument is here. If he said he has seen an alien and they are present in probably many top secret missions then this is a monumental claim. The fact that this guy is a weathered astronaut makes this an important statement.

We can question his sanity for pages and pages but that is not going to get us anywhere.

Take it for what it is and put whatever worth you want to put on it.

This isn't official disclosure. Big Deal.
It also isn't proven fact. So What.

Personally I think it is a big deal. Whether it's true or not.

Just not sure what it really means!

There's no 'meaning' here at all, really.

Clark was thinking that Edgar Mitchell's comments would reverberate around the world for some time. He was hoping to add fuel to the fire, try to make some money during the process (a move which has backfired unfortunately), and maybe encourage some others to come forth with their own unrevealed testimonies - all in - helping to generate a wave of disclosure via the media.

There was never any doubt of his credentials. He has been 'around' for so long, that any skeletons would have come out of his closet long ago.

A couple of years ago Clark released some information about his conversations with Barry Goldwater regarding Goldwater's attempts to get inside the UFO 'loop' - it also was stuff that he sat on for many years - and then released when financially ruined (mild payback if you like).

He got a few bucks from me for the story to run in Nexus, and then put it up on the internet for free when he realised that mainstream media don't pay for stuff that doesn't have Britney Spears or Paris Hilton involved in the story somehow.

I just wish I had the dough to publish his books, because there is lots more stuff he is sitting on. But what he is asking is way out of my league.

Duncan

Originally posted by nexusmagazine
because there is lots more stuff he is sitting on

If what he has is so incredible as to change everything, why does he not just release it, and let it play out? I mean, if I had something that would change the world, it's no longer about money, it's about change.

Edit to add:

Personally, if someone does have something that would genuinely change the wolrd, ie: proof of aliens, who the hell are they to keep it in leu of money, when it affects ME, and YOU, and the rest of the world !! If this guy is for real, it's not like he built a damn alien, it's not like he owns it, it doesn't belong to him, it's not for him to keep. On top of that, if his evidence has ANYTHING to do with NASA material --- we already paid for it !!



[edit on 31/7/08 by Misfit]

reply to post by RiotComing

LOL Are you people (sceptics) paying attention? HE is paying them.....how is that trying to make money? RiotComing is right...his cridentials are proof enough for me when added to my own experience I knew this would com,e out sooner or later. THis man is a hero in my eyes and he is in a lot of trouble I'll bet.