Former Navy SEAL and demolitions expert Jesse Ventura: U.S. Government Carried Out 9/11

More fuel for the fire;

Well, read this article, and see what if you think; "accident" or "just about money" or "holy crap!" www.opednews.com...

Basically, this guy J. Michael Springmann used to work in Saudi Arabia and Germany for the US and was upset about the Visas going to people known to be Bad Guys.
" In those missives, I named the intelligence officers who ran the Visas for Terrorists Program and instructed the Congressmen on how to contact them. But, no action was ever taken, no question was ever raised, giving rise to my view that they knew all about the matter. And chose to ignore it."

He also mentions that the alleged hijacker Visas were issued by the CIA. You'd think if anyone knew these people were a danger -- they would.

But the even bigger issue is; why are they allowing sleeper cells into the country? Why would more money and power for the military and crooked politicos be an enticement -- or something even worse?

So you've got a policy of letting in bad guys highlighted by Springmann.
You have Jessie and others talking about Demolitions.
You have the FBI translator Siebel Edmunds testimony that the Bush administration was not only hampering investigations into A Q Khan, they were helping get nuke tech and materials out to countries that they were saying were grave threats to the US.

I think an suspicious person might detect some sort of pattern emerging...

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Agreed. That tanker fire shows no melted steel.

But Gasoline burns hotter than kerosene. The tanker truck is sitting right under the dang bridge. This is an illustration as well on the fact that there wasn't enough HEAT much less temperature in the WTC incident.

All the fuel in that truck, and the railings above merely distort. That is more fuel and it is right under the rail. You also have asphalt melting which is where most of the distortion is probably coming from.

Did I mention this is a gas fire? Still not hot enough.

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ok so two days in a row and throat yogurt is posting outside his specified "i only post here from 8-10pm" seems he either cannot tell time or is a liar. so as such, why does anyone give him any more time. there are a million unanswered questions on 9/11 threads he needs to get back to. lets not let him derail the ventura conversation any longer. I am afraid jesse, no matter how good, honest, or knowledgable, he may be - he comes off a little nutty and that is fodder for these full time "i only post between 8 and 10pm" debunkers. he just wants to argue 9/11 some more with no points, facts, or anything to back him up. jesse is more interesting than yogurt, please.

unless i am wrong and 1 and 4 both now fall between 8 and 10.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
It would be nice to have some skyscraper demolition experts like "Controlled Demoltions" weigh in.

9/11: Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko on WTC 7:


How about 418 architectural and engineering professionals, along with 2067 other supporters (including A&E students), who have signed the petition demanding a truly independent investigation by Congress:

Why are Architects and Engineers Re-examining the WTC Collapses?

 


The years since 9/11/01 have given us the time and space to emerge from the hypnotic trance of the shocks of these attacks and to rationally evaluate the existing and new evidence that has become available.

Architects and Engineers are trained to design buildings that function well and withstand potentially destructive forces. However, the 3 high-rise buildings at the World Trade Center which "collapsed" on 9/11 (the Twin Towers plus WTC Building #7) presented us with a body of evidence (i.e., controlled demolition) that was clearly outside the scope of our training and experience.

In addition, the shock that hit us on that date from the repeated attacks and staggering loss of life has limited our ability to rationally evaluate what really happened. We therefore found ourselves relying solely upon the judgment of outside "experts"... and, quite willing to, "go along" with the collective myth that has unfolded: that "the buildings failed structurally due to the aircraft impacts and resulting fires". After all, we saw the aircraft slam into the building, the resulting huge fireball, and the ensuing "collapses".

There is however a growing body of very solid evidence regarding these "collapses" that has emerged in the last couple of years - gaining ground even in the mainstream media. This new evidence casts grave doubt upon the theories of the 9/11 building collapse "experts" as well as the official reports by the 9/11 Commission, FEMA, and NIST.

It lays out a solid convincing case which architects & engineers will readily see: that the 3 WTC high-rise buildings were destroyed by both classic and novel forms of controlled demolition. You will find the evidence here in our website as well as at the linked websites. We hope you will find the courage and take the necessary time to review each section thoroughly.

www.ae911truth.org...

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
This makes more since than anything I have everheard about 9/11. If you put all of the names together that are in power now that had connections to ENRON, you could get a conviction just on that alone. Wow!!!!!

I think you are really on to something here!!!!

Could it be that simple? I guess if you want to misdirect focus off of something, that is one way to do it. Blow up the WTC and blame it on the ARABS.

Eye of Eagle

Building 7 apparently had a tri-fecta of stuff that the Bush family would want burned:
Investigations on ENRON.
Investigations on tax fraud companies.
Evidence in the case that was coming to a close as to about Billions in fraudulent treasury notes that George H. W. Bush used in some scam. Yeah, you never heard much about this? Do a search on it -- I've gotta dash.

But here is something that we need to keep in mind;
Building 7 at the World Trade Center site was destroyed in the late afternoon of September 11, 2001. This particular building housed the Security and Exchange Commission, as well as other federal and state agencies. The insider trading that took place before 911, and all records of the related financial transactions was conveniently destroyed when all 47 steel columns supporting the building failed with milliseconds of each other, ....

www.opednews.com...

Just going to pst something I tried to get some response to a year ago. Everyone pretty much ignored it. Would like to hear responses by some new members.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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re22666...

I removed you from ignore for 2 reasons:

1 - I was unable to see Killtowns posts (I_am_being_censored)

2- I wanted to see the other side of the argument Ultima was having.


I was thinking you were Killtown(I_am_being_censored)
... (sorry for insulting you...)

The argument with Ultima was the same everyone else has with him.

That being said... you have offered nothing to any threads so far.

I will more than likely be placing you back on ignore.

My thoughts on Jesse "the body" Ventura

Lets take a look at Jesse and how the OP claims him to be Navy SEAL and demolitions "expert."

Opie & Anthony totally showed Jessie the FACTS. Jessie tried the 6 year old arguments that have been proven false.

Jessie starts the crap about paper NOT surviving a plane crash.

Jessie starts the B.s. about the billiard ball a la. .... Judy Woods

I loved Jessie as a wrestler. As a Ct-ist... he is NOT knowledgeable.

Sweet Jesus he mentioned the Mark Bingham phone call from flight 93.

HE claims the ol burning a camp fire.

Yeah....everyone HAS to listen to his BS here

OMG... Jessie claims there were not 1 but 4 shut downs ... and people were told NOT to come into work.

OMG... guys listen to Jessie sound like a complete idiot on the Opie and Anthony show.

Elevator shafts are steel? Jessie?

Sweet Jesus this man is as dumb as a stump.

www.infowars.com...

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I am somewhat impressed with your research knowledge on this matter. Especially the knowledge you have on wtc 7 and what was inside of it. My focus has always been on Enron.

How much do you know about Enron?

Eye of Eagle

William Marshal a very patriotic speach and i feel you love your country deeply but there are members of the German nation that to this day refuse to beleive the Nazis killed thousands of its own population jewsh and gentile

Jesse is entitled to his opnion as it is your constitutional right to be able to speak freely is it not ...just because that does not coencide with your ideal American should he leave the US

for myself WTC 1 and WTC 2 took a massive impacts but those buildings fell almost strait down for me as a rational person that does not add up and this is reflected in what jesse is saying as a rational being those 2 buildings did not collapse because those planse hit them that his opnion as is my own

WTC 7 all i say is take a look back and some of the demo's of the Las Vagas hotels building in comparible size to WTC7 and play footage side by side the building was taken down with explosives plain an simple

The question remains to produce a controled demo like that at minimum would take a week with the correct man power and if they could do it in WTC 7 that means they could of done it in WTC 1 and 2

i apologise for the spelling/grammer but i had to spot thanks great site guys keep up the good work

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A&E Founder Richard Gage.... making a fool out of himself during a debate with Mark Roberts.




I wonder why Richard Gage did not post this debate on his website???

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

OMG... guys listen to Jessie sound like a complete idiot on the Opie and Anthony show.

Sweet Jesus this man is as dumb as a stump.

www.infowars.com...

Sweet Jesus, you'd be very lucky to sound that "dumb":

O & A: So the 9/11 thing, where do we start with this?

JV: Well, first or all, let's start with the fact that why would our president stonewall any investigation for two years? Why would you do that? I was an elected official. If something like that would've happened on my watch, I would welcome the investigation immediately, so that we could learn from it and hopefully be able to stop it from ever happening again. Why would our president, the only reason he finally agreed to it was the fact that the relatives put so much political pressure that they finally had to succumb to the pressure, so why would he do that?

O & A: I think there was this feeling that we have to protect national security, there are secrets that need to be kept -- I'm not saying it's right or wrong but anytime you have a big event, there seems to be...

JV: Or anytime they want to cover up something, they throw it into national security, which means we're not allowed to see it.

O & A: That too.

JV: Why is it that if you simply bring it up and you have questions, you're immediately attacked? Your credibility is attacked, they attack you and call you a conspiracy theorist. OK, the government's story is just a conspiracy theory too. There's no proof of what they've told us. What they want us to believe and what they've sold us, is that 19 Islamic radical terrorists, came to this country armed with box cutters and they defeated our multi-billion dollar air defense system, all while taking orders from a bearded guy in a cave in Afghanistan...

Definitely the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of them all.

Please continue the conversation Golden....

Continue the text.


where he claims there were 4 power downs.

his billiard ball claims

the camp fire claim

how about in another interview where he was watching "LOOSE CHANGE" with his boeing buddies?

oh yeah... this guy is awesome.

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So, because Gage can't "debate" with someone who's career involves public speaking, this negates what the man has to say? I'd like to know when Mark "Gravy" Roberts has had any kind of structural training while becoming a NYC tour guide. Any classes? Any degrees? Any credentials whatsoever (AIA, P.E., S.E. etc.)?

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by re22666

 

re22666...

I removed you from ignore for 2 reasons:

1 - I was unable to see Killtowns posts (I_am_being_censored)

2- I wanted to see the other side of the argument Ultima was having.


I was thinking you were Killtown(I_am_being_censored)
... (sorry for insulting you...)

The argument with Ultima was the same everyone else has with him.

That being said... you have offered nothing to any threads so far.

I will more than likely be placing you back on ignore.

actually, i asked some very pertinent questions to you and another and youran to another thread. upon running into you on another thread and asked again. again you ran. it did not take long to realize you had no answers or you would have at least tried by the third time that i asked on the third thread i saw you on. so i concluded that you are a disinfo troll that cannot actually debate your side when faced with evidence contrary to what it is that you had previously decided to believe. so....why bother. the i get sucked in that crap with ultima and realize there is no point in trying to add anything here. i can just watch you all continue to repeat yourselves to each other and go nowhere just fine without my help. but thanks for taking me off ignore. it shows you are a big man with an open mind. of course, if you put me back on ignore, i guess that just shows that you are afraid to hear things contrary to what you would like so desperately for the truth to be. maybe someday you will be open to sticking around long enough to actually debate what happend on 9/11 and the facts supporting the story you or i believe. until then, i will just let you all eat each other on your logicless carousel. enjoy.

query.nytimes.com...

Agreed. That tanker fire shows no melted steel.

But Gasoline burns hotter than kerosene. The tanker truck is sitting right under the dang bridge. This is an illustration as well on the fact that there wasn't enough HEAT much less temperature in the WTC incident.

All the fuel in that truck, and the railings above merely distort. That is more fuel and it is right under the rail. You also have asphalt melting which is where most of the distortion is probably coming from.

Did I mention this is a gas fire? Still not hot enough.

Again - YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MELT STEEL TO GET IT TO FAIL! Heating
steel to 500 C (1000 F) will cause piece of steel under load to bend
and distort. If load is sufficient will cause failure. Was a similar type
of fire involving fuel oil (diesel) on I95 in Conneticut few years back
which caused bridge to fail.

''When firefighters arrived, these 22-to 30-inch-thick beams were glowing bright orange and sagging 3 to 4 feet,'' Chief Maglione said.

Seen from below, the burning bridge looked like a hammock with a heavy person lying in it. a witness said.

The heat from the fire caused the concrete of the bridge to flake off in a sudden, violent peeling motion, said Lt. Michael Michelsen of Fairfield County's hazardous-materials team. The road and ground under the overpass, brightly lit with emergency lights, was littered with chunks of concrete. The fire had been fought using foam, and high-powered water hoses. ''It comes off with a lot of physical force like someone throwing a rock at you."

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Griff...

Dude... Mr. Gage has not one original thought. Mr. Roberts is a tour guide with an above average IQ. He has encyclopedic knowledge of the events surrounding 911.

If you think Mr. Roberts has made mistakes...please point them out.

Thanks bro.

Almost forgot the I 78 fire in Newark - didn't involve any hydrocarbons
(unless count discarded tires), trash fire started under bridge warped
the supports so badly had to be closed.

From atop the road, the damage was obvious. A three-lane section of the westbound concrete roadbed, about 100 by 100 feet, had dipped eight inches. A similar section across a low divider appeared to have sagged in the center.

query.nytimes.com...

Most people not aware of just how powerful fire is and what type of
damage can do.

Wow, I used to think Robin Quivers had "Cahones"... she is just a lapdog for the NWO, just like Stern...