Former Navy SEAL and demolitions expert Jesse Ventura: U.S. Government Carried Out 9/11

reply to post by cashlink


Cash & Golden,

It seems to me that you are both upset that the facts I presented to you go against your beliefs. Not sure what you would want me to do.... Perhaps lie, like the leaders of the truth movement do?

I do not have to defend myself. What I have presented to you both has not been refuted by either one of you. You have both been shown how very wrong and misinformed you are. From the SSDI to Flight Manifests, From the FDR to the FBI ...

Sorry if i ruined your fantasy.

I find it almost comical that most of you will believe any word someone says when it agrees with what you think. I mean Jesse Ventura says it so it must be true. What about all the experts, ones way more qualified then him, that disagree. There are many experts in the field, probably 95%, that agree that the building could of collapsed without being demoed. So it is quite humerous to me that you would disregard those who are the true experts and agree with an ex pro wrestler who has a small backround in explosive training. As far as I know he never demoed a building.

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How about 418 architectural and engineering professionals, along with 2067 other supporters (including A&E students), who have signed the petition demanding a truly independent investigation by Congress:

How about the hundreds of thousands that agree with the official story of NO DEMO. wow out of all the architectural and engineering profressionals in the world you have come up with 418 Not to mention 2067 students The fact that you consider this to be a lot is comical. The amount of people who would have to cover this up would be rediculous.
www.debunking911.com... Yeah golden that is real mature "lets click ignore on the one who disagrees with us" If anyone doesnt want to know the truth it is you. You just want to believe baseless claims and when someone has the facts to refute it you want to ignore them. That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Oh since you are also playing the number game how is this for some numbers:

There are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.source

How ever I am sure you all think they are just part of the conspiracy.


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Originally posted by tide8888
I find it almost comical that most of you will believe any word someone says when it agrees with what you think. I mean Jesse Ventura says it so it must be true. What about all the experts, ones way more qualified then him, that disagree. There are many experts in the field, probably 95%, that agree that the building could of collapsed without being demoed. So it is quite humerous to me that you would disregard those who are the true experts and agree with an ex pro wrestler who has a small backround in explosive training. As far as I know he never demoed a building.

where did you get this 95% and could you please back that up. i think while trying to find the proof, you will be quite amazed at how far off that number is. not trying to rob your entire post of credibility, i just really want to get you to look a little farther. the amount of people that would or should know far more than i, that do not agree with what we have been told is what turned me. just an idea.

Originally posted by tide8888
There are many experts in the field, probably 95%, that agree that the building could of collapsed without being demoed.

Setting my own bias aside, I can agree that the buildings could have collapsed without aid. Most of us are just trying to find out what happened. With my bias, I become a little skeptical that the "perfect storm" happened so many times that day. But, unlike some think, I'm open to any posibility shown to me backed up with proofs.

BTW, no offense to JV, but I'd take Damocles' word over his any day. Big D has shown to be who he says he is.

Originally posted by tide8888

There are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.source

How ever I am sure you all think they are just part of the conspiracy.

It must have taken a long time to ask each and every member eh? But, I'll tell you, they didn't ask me.

Originally posted by Griff
But, unlike some think, I'm open to any posibility shown to me backed up with proofs.

That folks, are the words from someone looking for the truth!

Kudos Griff!

Star 4 u

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I am not married to any theory actually. I am skeptical of a lot of things, but some of you guys have proven effective in changing my mind on a few things. I say kudus to you and them also. This shouldn't be a pissing match. I don't know why it gets to that sometimes. And I'll admit that I am guilty of it also. Anyway, thanks for making my day.

where did you get this 95% and could you please back that up. i think while trying to find the proof, you will be quite amazed at how far off that number is. not trying to rob your entire post of credibility, i just really want to get you to look a little farther. the amount of people that would or should know far more than i, that do not agree with what we have been told is what turned me. just an idea.

I was mearly stating the 95% of structional engineers have not come out and denied the official story. There is actually very few that have. Golden was stating there were 400 or so and acting like this was a huge number. And yes I am sure not everyone that is in those fields were indeed asked. I am sure there wasnt a poll. But you would think if they actually did think there was something off, they would come out and disagree with the official story. It is not hard to back up conspiracy stories. Most of them however dont bother wasting their time with it because they know, the official story of how the building collapsed in indeed plausable.

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And how about this. from Implosion world. I emplore you all to read what their investigation revealed.implosion world

Originally posted by tide8888

How about 418 architectural and engineering professionals, along with 2067 other supporters (including A&E students), who have signed the petition demanding a truly independent investigation by Congress:

How about the hundreds of thousands that agree with the official story of NO DEMO.

Hundreds of thousands? I must've missed their website or their statement that they agree with the official story.

If there really are "hundreds of thousands", you should have no problem directing us to some of official document, statement or petition from these hundreds of thousands, right?

Originally posted by tide8888

I was mearly stating the 95% of structional engineers have not come out and denied the official story. There is actually very few that have. Golden was stating there were 400 or so and acting like this was a huge number. And yes I am sure not everyone that is in those fields were indeed asked. I am sure there wasnt a poll. But you would think if they actually did think there was something off, they would come out and disagree with the official story. It is not hard to back up conspiracy stories. Most of them however dont bother wasting their time with it because they know, the official story of how the building collapsed in indeed plausable.

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it is when you have a nice home, a wife, kids in school, maybe in college, and they depend on you for support. now you know that if you act like a 9/11 truther, chances are it is your job. whether the boss agrees or not, that kind of "lunacy" is locked down pretty well at most jobs, especially onese of high esteem. and only a single person with no kids could say that he would not have a hard time deciding what was more important

trying to save the world from evil dictators, knowing you will do it pretty alone because it takes huge balls to speak out and your family will probably suffer more than you

or acting in the best interest of the ones you love, especially when it is easy to look the other way these days. we have become very well conditioned to do that.

i just think that to say 95% is a pretty big assumption when you have not asked them all, you have not seen every single quote. hell, i know of 5 professors at the UofR, very prestigious medical school. they dont buy the story but they say that even if they want to speak up, noone wants to hear it anyway. the news wont put them on, the paper wont talk to them. so how would you know that 95% is even remotely close to accurate? if you buy the story we got based on that 95%, then i say again, really really look. find out how far off that number can be proven. then take into account what i just said and add at least the three i know. now do the math. when that falls apart before your very eyes. come back, you have alot to learn about what happend that day.

Originally posted by tide8888

I was mearly stating the 95% of structional engineers have not come out and denied the official story. There is actually very few that have. Golden was stating there were 400 or so and acting like this was a huge number. And yes I am sure not everyone that is in those fields were indeed asked.

Are you sure of anything besides your "95%" number?

Please direct me to any group of professional architects or engineers who state that they support the official story.

Or are you just making unsubstantiated assumptions?

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by tide8888


How about the hundreds of thousands that agree with the official story of NO DEMO.

Hundreds of thousands? I must've missed their website or their statement that they agree with the official story.

If there really are "hundreds of thousands", you should have no problem directing us to some of official document, statement or petition from these hundreds of thousands, right?

yes i am very eager to see where they have all been hiding. 100's of 1000'a could finally shut this whole debate up couldnt they? i have a feeling we wont get that info though. partly because tide wont even look and partly because it doesnt exist.

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Most people dont give statements when they are in agreement. But fine I will take it back. I will also agree that some people could lose their job as the above post mentions. However, How about readingimplosion world and see what there investigation results were. They did an independent study and were not hired by anyone. So you all are saying that these guys do not know what they are talking about but a danish engineer does.
I am curious what you think of it Golden Fleece. Although I doubt you will even read it or if you do you will just say they were hired by the government to bakc up their story. You asked for experts golden fleece, here you go.
Published reports by the US National Institute of Standards and Technology rejected the controlled demolition hypothesis.[4][5] The community of civil engineers generally accepts the mainstream account that the impacts of jets at high speeds in combination with subsequent fires, rather than controlled demolition, led to the collapse of the Twin Towers.[6]
en.wikipedia.org...
Some others that agree:

Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

I can search for more although obvoiusly it is a lot easier to find people who disagree with something then actually agree.
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Originally posted by tide8888

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.source

And maybe you can do better than some dewd's BLOG!

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Oops! was I talking about you, Ijust knew you couldnt let it alone LOL

Truth! LOL

Originally posted by tide8888
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

I am curious what you think of it Golden Fleece. Although I doubt you will even read it or if you do you will just say they were hired by the government to bakc up their story. You asked for experts golden fleece, here you go.

I'm curious why you don't find it suspicious that NIST can't even explain the collapse of WTC 7?

Seven years later and nada, zip, zilch -- except for this:

NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse.

I hope maybe someday NIST can expand on their "hypothetical blast event" scenario.

Originally posted by tide8888


I can search for more although obvoiusly it is a lot easier to find people who disagree with something then actually agree.
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so what is that, 19 or 20 people? let's say they are the most credible people in the world. it is still a far cry from hundreds of thousands. and it is much smaller than the over 400 that see it the other way. and maybe it is alot easier to find people who disagree because it is crap? so tell me, now that you claimed 95% think differently, hundreds of thousands think differently, and then you put 20 up against over 400.

tell me something, are you starting to doubt your original statement yet?
or are you reworking your argument to fit around the solution you hoped 95 and hundreds of thousands would bring you to. it did not. it is way off. ready to open your mind yet?