Former Navy SEAL and demolitions expert Jesse Ventura: U.S. Government Carried Out 9/11

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Of interest is that Ventura at first thought 9/11 truth was wrong it wasn't an inside job. But like many he researched it, and more questions came up and the ones that were already answered didn't seem to be the truth anymore. Then he changed his mind on this topic.

I will tell you this he is sure more credible, than these armchair keyboard
debunkers.

I also like how some people that are engineers that post to this site have serious doubts or know that 9/11 was a demo job.

How do they know this, because they help to build buildings. They know how the structural integrity of builidings works.

Just like the poster who does this for work said he looked at the blueprints of the WTC, and knows what we have been told just could not have happened.
Another poster said how credable is the opinion, well here is just one example of many educated people in this field.

David Leifer, BSc, B.Arch, M.Ed, PhD, IEng, ACIBSE – Coordinator, Graduate Programme in Facilities Management, University of Sydney. Formerly taught at University of Auckland (1993 - 2001), University of Queensland (1986 - 1993), Mackintosh School of Architecture (1984 - 1986). Registered Architect. Incorporated Engineer.

What he said
"The fall of the World Trade Center video showed the side of one tower ‘unzipping’ along one side of a damaged floor. My knowledge of structure and dynamics told me that unless the other sides simultaneously ‘unzipped’ there was no way that the tower would have ‘pancaked’ onto it’s own footprint: it should surely have toppled outwards. That both towers did the same was just too improbable to be plausible.
Hence I am anxious to learn what really happened."

People like throatyogurt just ignore this stuff to the point where I am ready to put them on ignore.

Who cares about wtc 7 any ways and so what if the buildings were blown up, they were not safe after being struck by airplanes so they blew em all up!

Originally posted by ObamasLoveChild
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

I will not be drawn into a silly 'flame war'. If every person that publishes scientific findings and research is 'a conspiracy theorist' then we are already in real trouble. I cannot list here how many people in the scientific community have doubted the 'official report' using the actual physics of the event. Saying that A+B does not =C is not un-american or conspiring against the government. It is simply using what we as humans understand as the written laws of the universe to quantify one of the single largest events in America's young history. Wanting to ensure that we the people understand this event through and through is not a crime, nor should the idea be shunned. Many of the people in the scientific community are calling for an international, unbiased, board of experts (physicists, scientists, and so forth) to examine the debris, written and filmed accounts, as well as the official report. I should think that the american public deserves at least this much.

YES OLC... Perfectly put, I often look at all the psychology and series of events after that day. My biggest question today is if there is nothing to hide why stone wall the citizens???

I truly believe if any reasonable non partizan read the exact same stuff I have they would be convinced of foul play way beyond doubt into certainty...

However I think many Americans do not want to even consider such a notion. Many Americans will defend the "image" of AMERICA out of pride and principle. The official story and the idea of terrorism is enough convincing for these folks.... IME these people tend to become combative towards the whole concept because the whole idea represents a complete loss of all that is the "AMERICAN".... The average man will squash the entire subject because it is tabu and uncomfortable. MSM has also
turned the truth movement into a ridicule able offense on par with UFOs and bigfoot!
This negative connotation helps to repel and quickly dispatch any and all reasonable debate.

(hot diaper filling!)

Sadly the perps depend on these attitudes.... I believe the hate of the of the 9/11
conspiracy is what keeps people from even exploring information or engaging in any informed discussion.

Finally Official folks if I just listed the, anomalies, failed protocols, physics, the politics,
the official evidence, the lack of official evidence, coincidences, eye witness accounts,
video evidence, expert opinions, financial, new reports, foreign media....etc

I could probably go all night and all next day trying to list and itemize the ideas that the truther base the entire movement upon.


It is mountainous,,,

I mean why did all the anti air craft batteries that surround the pentagon fail to respond???

And do you find it likely or probable that 20 average Arab men defeated the most modernized, technologically advanced military and intelligence apparatus in the world???


If you then think of how many smaller victories these men must have claimed during 9/11...


For example they fooled/outfoxed the airforce many times in one day per crash event.
Think about how many little strategic victories these Arabs must have claimed that day just to crash one plane?

Radar problems, communication issues, domain issue, command issues, timing issues... I could go on and...

Now on the other hand if you believe the official story how many grave mistakes must have been made on behalf of the airforce to allow just one of these planes to crash??? Really,,,,, like two hundred mistakes of various calibers spread among presumably hundreds if not thousands of officials involved??? And this is just the airforce,,,
There would have have to have been thousands of mistake made that day across every agency, branch and chain of command involved.

Opps-- radar is acting funny

Opps- we sent the plane the wrong way

Opps- he said one thing and the other guy said another

Opps- the intelligence reports were ignored

Opps- they were conducting multiple war games at the time

Opps- we couldn't tell what planes are what

Opps- every single on of the dozens AA battery operators were in the toilet with
a bad case of diarrhea all at the same time the day.

Opps-......

Opps-......

Opps......

Really,,,,,,,,, even if you think the government is inept do you think it is plausible that
so many, many, agents, soldiers, generals, experts, "deciders" all screwed up so
catastrophically all in tandem??? For four crashes???

If you read enough it just becomes blatantly obvious... But if you do not read
or chose to explore the idea then you can never truly understand the past seven years!



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Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

I am somewhat impressed with your research knowledge on this matter. Especially the knowledge you have on wtc 7 and what was inside of it. My focus has always been on Enron.

How much do you know about Enron?

Eye of Eagle

Only what I read and remember. There are a lot of things I read and then they are no longer available -- like they've been scrubbed. Try he waybackmachine and search. There was a charity for missing teens that a lot of the Bushies and NeoCons and that "The Dukestir" contributed to. I always wondered if this had a connection to good old Bandar. Anyway, I can't find the info on it anymore. About 4 years ago, it went missing from the Internet(s).

The SEC was headquartered there, so it stands to reason that many of these large investigations would end up in that building.

Ken Lay, by the way, was pronounced dead by one coroner in Aspen and quickly cremated. That leaves two people to bribe and a plastic surgeon and a guy gets to keep billions of stolen loot and start a life without prison--but I'm not accusing a dead guy of being this dishonest (wink). Remember Scooter's poetry about Aspen? Also, Collin Powell and some other big wigs were there the week of Kenny boy's death. Not saying I know anything, but there are a surprising number of NeoCons who go to Aspen for medical treatment.

Aspen and Dubai. That seems to be where many things go to disappear.

And the ENRON execs started up business in Atlanta, Georgia under a futures trading company called ICE. Surprise, surprise, they buy up oil and sell it in the future at a higher price. Drill more oil? What about those tankers off shore collecting barnacles? Exxon and others are probably buying their own oil.

But don't worry. A Magic wand will indeed be waved and the gas pump price will suddenly go down. Bold Bush will allow more land to be drilled -- like they were drilling those millions of acres that they have leased already. Right after the elections, the price will go up -- I'm sure they will get concessions to build every pristine bit of wilderness before the Sierra Club quits being the reason for high gas prices.

Does this mean we will have more refining capacity for all the oil we aren't turning into gasoline now in this tremendous scam? No. If another refinery burned to the ground -- the rest would make MORE money. Building a refinery takes years and lots of money for a long-term chance to make back the investment. With alternative energy right around the corner, nobody is going to build another refinery even if they have to put that benzene somewhere.

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The government always interviews the guy in the feather boa if they want to cover something up. Does anyone in the news talk to demolitions experts? No. Jessie's comments are not perfect -- but what he gets wrong, there are more compelling questions I already know and are not answered, so a reasonable person can understand that the government is lying. Jessie or anyone else saying; "the government lied" and there is plenty of support for that. The accusers aren't supposed to know more than the culprits. There are too many financial links to the bad guys, too much benefits to the Bushies, and too much obstruction of justice not to convict on circumstantial evidence of a thousand other crime. How many times can a group get a firing squad for treason? 9-11 is the least of it. It is just the final psychological straw for people to understand the real threat to our nation.

The Bush administration did everything to hinder investigations. So far, incompetence does not seem to be a national security secret -- I'm sure whoever did this is aware that they got away with it. Cameras on the WTC stopped recording that day, NORAD failed to respond and was distracted, Bush read a book about goats to children.

And, surprisingly, the alleged hijackers got all their Visas from the CIA in Saudi Arabia. And there are still known bad guys getting Visas. Siebel Edmunds talks about nuclear secrets going to the countries that BushCo pointed out as the very biggest threats. Meanwhile, they print money and lower taxes and America is getting sold off bit by bit. What do our leaders do about this? Print money to bail out banks who are moving money as well, and move their own personal accounts to Dubai.

And you suckers call me a conspiracy theorist? We are arguing about this one stump that is 9-11 in a forest of corruption. The big picture, seems to be totally ignored while people argue about whether someone can get a cell phone call out of an airplane in New York.

I sometimes prefer the idea that people who apologize for BushCo were at least getting paid. Why should anyone be this ignorant, without compensation?

As far as I know, I think I was the first person to talk about "billiard balls."

After reading Eber's accounts that a pancake collapse of about 80 stories would take 60 to 90 seconds to fall. I thought of a way that people could easily see the physics behind this at home.

If you take 1 billiard ball and place it on a pool table, and next to it put 10 in a row. You can easily see that if you knock the 1 ball to the other side with your pool cue, that it will take less time than knocking the first ball into 9 others.

There is a reaction time. Even it the top layer is overwhelming the floor's structural capacity, there is always TIME that is taken up by absorbing the kinetic energy and transferring it. That time would be a few seconds per floor as Eber's pointed out.

I also see it as a huge thought puzzle, to understand how you both weaken the metal joists connecting to the inner core, such that the floors drop AND at the same time pull down the core. A real pancake collapse, would have been with the floors all breaking away and collapsing on the outer shell -- like one end of a bridge (not both). It should have looked like a collapsed umbrella.

So the only way to make this happen in under 10 seconds, and to have the whole thing go down, is to have charges set on the inside joists along the core -- and to start the whole thing with some thermate at the very base of the core. As was pointed out, there was a noticeable slumping on the inner part of the roof.

How does building 7 have more horizontal than vertical strength, such that a hole in the corner knocks it straight down? Break a leg on a charge and it lists to the side. Why do I get images of Popeye cartoons with this "coincidence theory?"

I'd also like to know how we saw people looking out of the hole that the planes made, and there is even still glass about ten feet away, from areas that were supposedly hot enough to melt joists or blasts powerful enough to strip flame retardant off of steel. Call me crazy, but the lack of heat there, and the yellow melting stuff that gushed out and was still hot in pools a week later, and those diagonal cuts on the I-Beams we saw that can't happen in a collapse (steel bends and does not break that way unless you froze it with liquid nitrogen) all speak to a demolition.

I'd also like to get some investigation into whether Marvin Bush actually did own the Security company that was in charge of the WTC and interview the people they hired as security. Where they missing a few weeks? If you were setting charges, you could do it easily if you were a security guard. I really don't know anything -- because I wasn't involved in setting the demolition charges -- so please don't take this conspiracy theory as another reason to laugh a the idea that it was an inside job.

Does anyone understand about a "burden of proof?"

reply to post by mental modulator


The numerous coincidences and "oops" started way before 9/11.

>> Silverstein tripled his coverage in July.
>> The authority to shoot down aircraft went to just three people in this country/planet, rather than field commanders in July of 2001.
>> 72 FBI warnings.
>> Then I've recently read this;
Well, read this article, and see what if you think; "accident" or "just about money" or "holy crap!" www.opednews.com...
I'd want a few more sources before I took this as gospel, and a little more background on J. Michael Springmann. But he was a high-level bureaucrat with security credentials -- not something a person throws away to spout nonsense. Seems he has written some books as well,.. but I don't consider someone upset and shouting an indication that they are a crackpot.

The CIA gave the hijackers their Visas folks -- or at least people who had the names on their Visas of these alleged hijackers. Hard to know, when 6 of them are still alive and 4 are commercial pilots in the Middle East. Springmann is blowing the whistle that KNOWN bad guys were getting visas before 9-11 and they STILL ARE!

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I don't know who Richard Gage is. He may or may not be making a fool of himself -- despite the "Evidence" of your animated Gif.

However, seeing that you lack any real content other than "these things have all been debunked before..." I'm putting you on my ignore list.

I shudder at people reading that one Popular Mechanics article on 9-11 thinking it settled anything. All they did was pick and choose weak arguments, and then put forth other weak arguments. I actually wrote about 25 pages and debunked everything those guys said years ago -- but of course, who am I?

Pictures of Jessie in his wrestling outfit, or finding some corn ball, are merely cherry-picking evidence to discredit something. I've yet to see a credible explanation for what happened without a demolition. The WTC was designed to take three large airplane strikes. It had a bomb blow up 3 levels in the parking garage -- that's a LOT more heat and force than a plane. The North tower burned for hours two weeks before it opened and before the sprinklers were installed. Apparently, none of that brought it down.

Oh, and it would have cost Silverstein billions of dollars to remove the asbestos that the clean-up crews had to breathe. He leased it for a around $200 million and made many billions on a 1 year turnover. That seemed to work out quite well for him, didn't it?

It's just really sad, that I could spend a few DAYS talking about coincidences about this 9/11 event. When it makes no money, and we have more people die each year from prescription drugs. We even have more people disappear each MONTH in ways that cannot be explained. 9-11 is just important because it involves the psychology of Americans, who need to understand how False Flags are used to manipulate us -- not any other reason.

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I just want to say that no matter if Ventura is lying about his past, full of crap, or what not, this whole "he's an ex-pro wrestler" thing is really pissing me off... So you are saying all wrestlers are liers and cheats?

Give me a f***ing break man.

That is like saying Stephon Marbury must be a crackhead because he is black and lives in New York City...

These are both totally ridiculous assumptions....

Why does being a pro wrestler make him any more or less credible?

reply to post by GoldenFleece


I didn't mean that there weren't Engineers calling 9-11 Government Coincidence Theory weren't getting interviewed by the Main Stream Media.

Go Jesse.. good that he has the balls to come out and help the truth movement.

On the burning bridge example that has now been posted twice:

Steel.. is it the same as what was certified for use in the WTC by UL?
I'd say probably not.... it'd be built to a civil engineering standard, probably not to deal with a building fire. Not to mention it's clearly visible the supports merely popped out from the mounts, not the beams breaking/melting in half themselves.

edit: gotta love spotting the disinfo crew ;D hehehe

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where was mr.Ventura in 2002??????????

He's just as much an expert on 911 as the rest of us.

I'm sure 90% of the posters on this thread have more knowledge on this subject than he does.

Mr Ventura reads the message boards, watches the youtube videos.

7Yrs after the fact he decides to give his opinion on the matter, when the 911 conspiracy subject moves from being an underground theory that a bunch of anti-social nut-jobs believe in to a really cool and hip "ron paul-ish" thing to believe in.

Basically, he his just tuning into the demographic that might possibly buy his book. The anti-government conservatives weren't not buying so he thought he's go after the 18-35 demo.

he's a pro-wrestler, he knows a gimmick or angle when he sees one.

I'm not saying what he says is wrong, but stop buying his expert opinion because he is not one. He is just regurgitating what we all know already.

[SNIP]

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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

I don't know who Richard Gage is. He may or may not be making a fool of himself -- despite the "Evidence" of your animated Gif.

However, seeing that you lack any real content other than "these things have all been debunked before..." I'm putting you on my ignore list.

I'm doing the same. If everyone put pseudo-skeptic and professional debunker ThroatYogurt on ignore, he'd end up talking to himself, which would greatly benefit the entire 9/11 discussion.

Unfortunately, there are some who are not here to discuss, but to cast aspersions and sow the seeds of doubt any way they can. If they can't discredit the information, then they try to discredit the people making the allegations (I suspect Richard Gage is involved in some aspect of the 9/11 truth movement.) And even when the information is irrefutable, they'll just flat out deny it and spend an enormous amount of time trying to debunk the truth while promoting an improbable official story.

People like Jesse Ventura wouldn't make such a serious accusation if they didn't have the evidence to back it up and very good reason to believe what they do. They have nothing to gain and instead, they only expose themselves to the inevitable ridicule from professional debunkers and those who haven't bothered to do any independent research or who can't handle the truth.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz

Originally posted by dariousg
We can't accept blindly the statements of anybody anymore because of all of the suspicians that have been thrown on everything.

And yet, when a guy with some demo experience says what you all want to hear, there is no questioning it at all.

And no answers at all as to whather or not he has the experience in demo'ing buildings like this, nor if he has any knowledge at all of the subject.

This is just a pathetic appeal to authority fallacy. Expertise must be shown before his word should be taken as anything meaningful.

Just to be clear, it's not that anyone isn't questioning anything, but it's more like people having a discussion with an understanding of elementary things like science and being on the same page. It doesn't really take an explosives expert to understand that kerosene doesn't melt steel, but of course it's nice to hear from someone with background on the subject who knows his specialty when he sees it in action. It only serves to augment what is obvious to a growing majority. Having the experience in various explosives makes one able to clearly identify them in practice. I am sure he could also demonstrate were the demonstration lawful.

Do you realize that what you're trying to do though is the equivalent of telling a doctor that touching it will make him blind and expecting him to not laugh at you having not only the common sense and elementary experience to know better, but also the formal education and experience on the specific subject?

A pathetic appeal to an authority's phallus of which pretty much anyone with normalcy and a phallus is an authority on.

Would you ask the authority in this case to also demostrate? ahem?

Are you questioning just to question, or do you have some kind of stance or theory that a legitimate authority might entertain?

If so let's hear it.

jesse's my boy, he runs for pres and i want to help him win, and i never have ever cared to help anyone else,

you go Jesse!!!

Originally posted by Critical_Mass
it's nice to hear from someone with background on the subject who knows his specialty when he sees it in action.

He has no experience in demo'ing buildings.

He DOES have experience in explosives though, we're agreed on that.

So would you want him to come demo a 30 story building next to your house? He kinda lacks the experience for that, dontcha think?

And if you WOULDN'T want him to come do a job next to your property, why would you take his word as having much value at all? Why wouldn't you instead ask a guy who has experience for the task in question? I would.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

I'm doing the same. If everyone put pseudo-skeptic and professional debunker ThroatYogurt on ignore, he'd end up talking to himself, which would greatly benefit the entire 9/11 discussion.

GoldenFleece is upset because he made many mistakes. I tried to be polite and offer him the facts. He refused, and insisted on calling me names, accusing me of wroking for the government.. .etc etc.

I'm sorry that you were shown things to be true that did not fit your fantasy Golden. Again...don't shoot the messenger.

Unfortunately, there are some who are not here to discuss, but to cast aspersions and sow the seeds of doubt any way they can.

IF presenting facts cast doubt on your CT's... why do you turn away and ignore?

If they can't discredit the information, then they try to discredit the people making the allegations (I suspect Richard Gage is involved in some aspect of the 9/11 truth movement.)

I typically do both.

Richard Gage is a liar, and a con artist. I along with others noticed a video found to be doctored on his web site. It took him several weeks to remove it.I reported him to the AIA Security during a conference in Boston that he and his crew were planning on crashing. Funny after that conference he was told by the AIA to remove their logo from his website. He has had fake Engineers on his website after he claims to have verified them. (Mr.M.K. Mackey was one of them)

Jessie? He speaks for himself.

And even when the information is irrefutable, they'll just flat out deny it and spend an enormous amount of time trying to debunk the truth while promoting an improbable official story.

Too bad there isn't any irrefutable information.

People like Jesse Ventura wouldn't make such a serious accusation if they didn't have the evidence to back it up and very good reason to believe what they do.

Well, where is it? Opie and Anthony pretty much put his theories to bed.

They have nothing to gain and instead, they only expose themselves to the inevitable ridicule from professional debunkers and those who haven't bothered to do any independent research or who can't handle the truth.

Your right that he has nothing to gain. He was spewing garbage from his mouth. It does not take a "professional" debunker to show this guy his obvious mistakes.

The irony of your last sentance it just amazing.

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Dont worry I am haveing the same problem with the same person who I feel is a Gate-keeper for the Government and 911 lies

If we all had the truth then NONE of us would be in here would we.

But there are some who will do what it takes, to keep You and me from exposing the truth!

These people find us a threat to the Government.

The more we expose the harder they try to rail-road our threads.

Then if we ignor them, wich is what they want, then they have more time to railroad others trying to get the truth out.

This is there sick little game they play.

Now lets see if one of the Gatekeeper come and defends there self of what I just posted.

Get ready Folks!