The truth behind the Alien/UFO myths.

reply to post by dnbaudio


Woah now, who needs us to debunk you, you're just going about debunking yourself! So, you're entire perspective of the grays has shifted to the opposite extreme in the blink of an eye. You just accused me of being ignorant and unintelligent for agreeing with your earlier claims and told me to go and do some research! Is that not the most contradictory thing you've done? You just told me I ought to do some research and that I've been corrupted by them by believing that they're not evil! The way you act reminds me of someone I know (not near his ridiculous psychological problems keep in mind, I'm just giving you an example of the type). He's a good friend of mine and he's probably the most intelligent person I know, but his arrogance eats away at him. He's now socially retarded because of the way he's grown up- detached from everyone around him. He wants to feel he's significant and knows he is, but he treats everyone around him like cockroaches and articles because he thinks he's a superior being. Because of this, he's hated by professors, children, and even his family.

By the way, you just said you're a programmer. Care to explain why you said earlier that you were a scientist?

Originally posted by jokei


You're on a forum well known for it's spirit of debunking frauds, now some people are asking for proofs that you seem unwilling or unable to answer, so go figure. However, if you could kill a person with your mind as far away as Russia or Australia, I'm gonna concentrate really hard on the album I'm listening to and if you can tell me what it is, I'll believe you.

peace dude


[edit on 5-8-2008 by jokei]

Well, there's your lack of understanding, showing. I never said I was doing to destroy anyone with my mind. I wouldn't even try that, actually. I only meant I would track someone down and find justice. I'm not going to actually destroy anyone. (obviously humor as sarcasm in text form is hard to relay.)

And, my only guesses (yes, that's all they are) about the album to which you're listening would be Coldplay or Pink Floyd (yes, I realize those are artists, not albums). My telepathy with humans only works within the range of roughly 10-12 meters. And, then, only with people I have spent some amount of time with whom becoming accustomed. I can very rarely "read" strangers. They have to be powerful thinkers, themselves, usually, or "on the same wavelength" (for lack of a better phrase).

~dnb

Please, stop. Any other questions?

[edit on 5-8-2008 by dnbaudio]

Originally posted by Higgins
reply to post by dnbaudio

 

Woah now, who needs us to debunk you, you're just going about debunking yourself! So, you're entire perspective of the grays has shifted to the opposite extreme in the blink of an eye. You just accused me of being ignorant and unintelligent for agreeing with your earlier claims and told me to go and do some research! Is that not the most contradictory thing you've done? You just told me I ought to do some research and that I've been corrupted by them by believing that they're not evil! The way you act reminds me of someone I know (not near his ridiculous psychological problems keep in mind, I'm just giving you an example of the type). He's a good friend of mine and he's probably the most intelligent person I know, but his arrogance eats away at him. He's now socially retarded because of the way he's grown up- detached from everyone around him. He wants to feel he's significant and knows he is, but he treats everyone around him like cockroaches and articles because he thinks he's a superior being. Because of this, he's hated by professors, children, and even his family.

By the way, you just said you're a programmer. Care to explain why you said earlier that you were a scientist?

I'm not debunking myself. I didn't change my mind "in the blink of an eye". And, I'm not socially-retarded, I'm really quite social and liked. I have hundreds of acquaintances. I am not arrogant, either. I'm standing my ground. My friends often tell me that I'm one of the most humble, thoughtful, genuinely gentlemanly people they know. And your good friend sounds pitiful, why are you attracted to him? I am nothing at all like him.

I'm a Computer Scientist, that's the degree Programmers - Developers/Designers get, here in the States. So, I'm logical for a living. A professional philosopher/mathematician of sorts. I figure things out. Analyzing things is the highest function of the mind. I'm done teaching you things. Go find a stooge to pick on.

~dnb~

I'm a Computer Scientist, that's the degree Programmers - Developers/Designers get, here in the States. So, I'm logical for a living. A professional philosopher/mathematician of sorts. I figure things out. Analyzing things is the highest function of the mind. I'm done teaching you things. Go find a stooge to pick on.

Alright, that makes perfect sense. Just know that I'm not here to pick on you at all and I'm not trying to corner you in. All I am is just another skeptic.

As for mentioning my friend, I didn't mean to say you were exactly like him, I just was trying to give an example of what extremely arrogant and detached people are like without saying you were like him.

Well, it seems that anger is hindering our interpretation of each other's text and making it sound more aggressive than the other intended. This happens all the time, so I apologize if I sound like a bully.

You're trying to bury me in your lies, man. I KNOW we landed on the moon. UFO's are NOT "everywhere", and the government isn't trying to "take us over". YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, AND THAT IS EVIL!!!! YOU ARE BEING REPORTED!!! (which is why you don't have ANY ATS points, because you ARE the system.)

And, thank you for supporting my claims with your efforts.

Viva la righteous!
~dnb~

I didn't say you said those things, please pay attention. I said that some folks choose to believe those things. I've seen all those things said on this board in the last few weeks I've been a member. And while I may not believe those things myself, I support people's rights to believe whatever they like.

On the flip side, there are people that feed utter nonsense to folks, people like you. Telepathic communications, aliens that speak with you as if you are important to them, 2012, catastophes, et al. All it takes is enough people like you around to spread this murky baloney, and any time actual UFO cases get examined, all folks have to do is point to stories like yours, and say "see, folks will believe anything." You are bad for the scientific progression of the study of ufos and aliens.

As far as the "system" goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. I've only been here a few weeks, and I'm here to discuss ufos, aliens, and paranormal topics. Seems like a great board with some really cool and interesting folks, so going to stick around. Points? I don't even really know what they are, nor do I really care. I certainly am not going to post things for the sole purpose of trying to "earn points." Is that what you are doing this for? I clicked on a star once, I think that's to give kudos to a post, for the discussion on actual RESEACH done on a case. THAT is what will further progression of UFO studies. Not mumbo-jumbo, B movie quality fiction like you produce.

Originally posted by dnbaudio

Originally posted by jokei


You're on a forum well known for it's spirit of debunking frauds, now some people are asking for proofs that you seem unwilling or unable to answer, so go figure. However, if you could kill a person with your mind as far away as Russia or Australia, I'm gonna concentrate really hard on the album I'm listening to and if you can tell me what it is, I'll believe you.

peace dude


[edit on 5-8-2008 by jokei]

Well, there's your lack of understanding, showing. I never said I was doing to destroy anyone with my mind. I wouldn't even try that, actually. I only meant I would track someone down and find justice. I'm not going to actually destroy anyone. (obviously humor as sarcasm in text form is hard to relay.)

And, my only guesses (yes, that's all they are) about the album to which you're listening would be Coldplay or Pink Floyd (yes, I realize those are artists, not albums). My telepathy with humans only works within the range of roughly 10-12 meters. And, then, only with people I have spent some amount of time with whom becoming accustomed. I can very rarely "read" strangers. They have to be powerful thinkers, themselves, usually, or "on the same wavelength" (for lack of a better phrase).

~dnb

Please, stop. Any other questions?

[edit on 5-8-2008 by dnbaudio]

Right, in your thread entitled "Get the message out tonight" - direct quote you say

"P.S. If I hear of anyone attempting to harm any of them to gain fame or profit, I will personally destroy you. Do not test me on this".

Earlier in this thread, you responded to a question I made about whether it would be possible for you to kill someone on Russia or Australia with your mind, you back tracked on that a little saying that you would rationalise it if it were bringing someone to justice for murder. Now you seem to be backing away from that whole thing entirely saying your telepathy only works within 10-12 metres - no what was all that stuff about Russia and Australia, please elaborate on this, as extensively as possible...

Right, more questions, you can choose to avoid, I'm not trying to debunk you, but your logic seems flawed and full of statements that are contradictory and not backed by any shred of evidence, I'm just trying to tease any validity out of you if possible. I have no intention of picking on you.

1) How are you a philospher in any way other than the average "Joe" on the street? You claim to be a computer(ism) scientist, again, something I doubt, yet what are your academic qualifications as a philospher - by the way, I have studied philosophy academically, a large part of this is the ability to argue rationally, based on certain founding points (each relevant on a case by case basis, things such as the idea of freedom, self-awareness, justice, morality etc)

2) This thread is titled "Truth behind the alien myths" - would you be gracious enough to tell us, err, say 3 irrefutable truths, with evidence that you would be able to present here for us. If your points are "true", then we will not be able to refute them and surely they will not be contradictory or subject to you returning to them and saying "what I actually meant..." or "I have new information, that last information was..." etc.

3) You have previously stated that it would be possible for you to kill/harm someone from Russia/Australia (far away) with your "mind", you seem to back-pedal on this a little later saying you "would never try" in which case how do you know you could do this? Again, proof please.


Would also like to state that I'm not with the system, just like to argue - in the sense of a rational debate to get to the truth of matters. In this case you have presented ideas that seem flawed and untrue, I am trying to refute these calmly and logically and with as much kindness to you as possible. This debate will either get to the point where one of us wins or gives up, I will gladly hold up my hands or shake yours as a gentleman at the point where you can offer proofs for any of your claims.

edit to add:

Unfortunately it does seem a little egotistical (in a points (sic)) scoring way - that you point to the amount of views this thread has had. Perhaps it was the overly sensational header that has garnered the attention or the sensationalist material herein that have garnered so many views... although it seems the only people left interested are those bothering to ask for truth & proof from you - perhaps everyone else is bored? I for one am not interested in racking up points, I'm here for rational debate, it also seems that is the case with Fleabit and Higgins.



As an aside, Coldplay, nah, was listening to Thelonius Monk "Criss Cross" fantastic album.




[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

reply to post by dnbaudio


A word of advice dnb....regarding your heaviest detractors over these last few pages......

Before you get yourself banned, please consider using the ignore button that sits just 8 lines below the avatar......click the one below their avatar and they 'magically' disappear. ( For you, not for the rest of us....)

Some decry this as the 'easy way out', but it will give you 'time out', to cool off.....After all you already know their position, they know yours....and neither is going to change.......what more is there to say?

To the other guys, this is not to say I'm lining up against you, but you are kicking up a lot of dust, and I am curious about more from the OP.....Your positions and observations can still be noted by the rest of us without a total disintegration of the thread......

i'm disappointed to see the direction in which this is all going. i thought it was very clear from the start to see that dnb is trying to help us, and is trying to get us to help eachother. keep in mind that i've only been a member for a few days, but why is there a need to debunk someone's opinion and efforts to share information that they think is extremely relevant at this point in time in regards to the situation we are all facing? i just think all this bickering about spelling and grammar is an example of us not being able to look at the big picture in general, and a symptom of our ego problem/fear. why would we be here if not to learn from eachother and offer helpful (as opposed to harsh) criticism? i just don't think anyone can afford to resort to such trivial matters as commas, adjectives, spelling, grammar, or fighting about OPINIONS right now.

yes, ATS is wonderful simply for the fact that we believe nothing until it's proven, but. . . misplaced commas and debating about college degrees. . . really?? i had hoped we were all beyond that.

you should all watch the alex collier interviews if you haven't already. i haven't heard much from him since he was supposedly attacked in some way for trying to spread his honest and humble opinion about the earth dilema in the early '90s. he wasn't interested in fame, money, or personal gain. in a recent interview, he seemed very disappointed and hopeless about the world's apathy toward humanity.

bracing myself for the personal attacks,
jenny

Hey, to the above 2 posters, I'm only here for an insight into topics that I find of interest as well, I wouldn't be here if I didn't think there was the real possibility of alien contact etc.

However, if someone is presenting a case of this on here it is open to questioning, which I think is a good thing, it can really help to clarify facts involved in each case. It "seems" in this case that there are inconsistencies in the OPs post, that aren't pointing to this being truthful and I'm only highlighting these to get at any truth that is in the OP. The great thing about this site is that there are many disparate views that can come together to thrash-out ideas/concepts and mysterious events etc, many people coming from different left/right viewpoints or alien/debunk views as well. Now I'm in the category of a believer in aliens and when someone is saying "contact" I'd like as much information on that as possible.

Sadly, in this case, it seems to be unsubstantiated hokum, there are many inconsistencies and I detect an undercurrent of aggression and attention seeking in the OP (respectfully). I think that the OP is doing a disservice to the people on ATS that simply want to spend time viewing (not necessarily participating in) topics that interest them. There are many threads on here that have no substantiation, yet some of those OPs offer their OP as nothing other than speculation, which is fine, there are other threads on here that start "I saw something odd, can anyone help verify" etc. I feel blind acceptance of a thread is crazy and true arguments and concepts tend to stand up under scrutiny.

I really don't want to offend anyone, I just want a reasoned rational debate of this topic...

Respectfully - to all the posters on this thread.

edit to add: Jenny, thanks for your post, I think you may have taken mine the wrong way though - if you claim to have a genius level IQ (which I don't), you don't get caught out (or up) on such trivialities as spelling and grammar, I've requested from the OP many times for verification of his Mensa accreditation and/or his IQ status only to be ignored. Also, asking for any evidence of psychic abilities seems to be going through an 180 degree turn at points, I'm really interested in the validity of the post, it could be potentially world-changing OR it could just be some bored school kid - I'm just trying to get to the root of that.

Frayed1, totally in agreeance with you, as above...


[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

Originally posted by frayed1
reply to post by dnbaudio

 

A word of advice dnb....regarding your heaviest detractors over these last few pages......

Before you get yourself banned, please consider using the ignore button that sits just 8 lines below the avatar......click the one below their avatar and they 'magically' disappear.

( For you, not for the rest of us....)

Some decry this as the 'easy way out', but it will give you 'time out', to cool off.....After all you already know their position, they know yours....and neither is going to change.......what more is there to say?

To the other guys, this is not to say I'm lining up against you, but you are kicking up a lot of dust, and I am curious about more from the OP.....Your positions and observations can still be noted by the rest of us without a total disintegration of the thread..

Thanks, frayed. I did need to cool off. These guys are like leeches, feeding off my energy. I want to reiterate, that I never claimed to be able to hurt anyone telepathically or communicate telepathically any farther that 10-12 meters.

I'd like to state some research, that independently substantiate my own experiences. This is the proof that I needed. I cannot give anyone else personal experiences, I can only lead you to the things that substantiated my own.

Other than EVERY POSSIBLE sighting, contact, hoax, cover-up, and alleged telepathic message; I would like to cite the following:

The Stan Romanek evidence - and other collections of his videos and documentation, such as his equations . Which coincide with the time of my own abduction (May 2003). This occurred within 100 miles of my own location. The alien in his video perfectly matches the head and behavior of the head I saw after my assumed abduction, while totally conscious. The equations that I have felt compelled to draw look very similar. (and, I'm trained through Calculus.)

I haven't YET had regression therapy or had my implant examined, medically. I've only just "come forward". I've only had a psychological examination and a rudimentary x-ray that shows "debris" (my doctor's term) in my neck. I have requested copies of these x-rays, and my doctor says he can't find them (as of 8/3/08), and he said, "That's wierd, too. Because, I remember looking at them." He also said that he can't find the results of my MRI, now. Yes, this is strange, because I paid a lot for those results. He promised to find them. When (if) he finds them, I'll get copies, and I'll post them. But, I am getting a bone-scan done soon (in a month), and I've already promised to post those x-rays.

Every story of alien abduction, alien visitation, alien telepathic message COMPLETELY substantiates my own experience. This evidence is overwhelming, and I am only going to cite one source of overwhelming accuracy of "meaning". His terminology is not accurate, but I think he's not a native English speaker. Alex Collier has experiences and two contacts (telepathically) One is a "sage" (his own words), and the other is more "regular-guy" (my words). My contact is EXACTLY like his "regular-guy" contact, except I don't have his name, he wants me to call him (Phonetically) "Sheer-leen)", (Charlie, I call him) but if you listen to Mr. Collier, there is a place called "Sirius" where there are "Sirians" Yes, this is a stretch of imaginiation, but "Charlie" assured me, after my telepathy was restored on 8/4/08, that this interpretation is completely accurate. The hieroglyph, (I just looked up on Wikipedia) is of a "head" above a "five-pointed star" next to a "lengthened" pyramid to heaven. That is a "being of light" from "Far above our own heaven". [cont...]

Is "Charlie" within 12 metres? I'm gonna call him Roger, like American Dad.

Do I have to dig up the previous quote of you saying you could communicate with someone in Russia or Australia? Now at the time I said that (I'm guessing you're US) you were probably in neither or certainly not in both, yet you stated you could do this...



edit to add:

OMG!!! Your secret identity, are, are you STAN???

[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

reply to post by dnbaudio

Thanks, frayed. I did need to cool off. These guys are like leeches, feeding off my energy.

Alright dnb, did you read my apology a few posts up? Really, we're not out to get you or anything of the source. I personally have no intentions of debunking you, I'm just giving hard skepticism so you can clean up your claims. It's honestly nothing personal, it's just "business" for lack of a better word.

reply to post by Higgins
thanks, guys, for explaining your intention. unlike immature nit-picking, questioning and challenging is totally valid.

a few questions for dnb:

1. so you're saying you had no contact/experiences as a child? were you interested in this whole subject as a child?
2. was there an event in your life that you feel may have "opened you up" to having your first experience in 2003?
3. you talk of meditating quite often - not that you have to be buddhist to meditate, but do you have much knowledge of a buddhist viewpoint of e.t. contact? i can't seem to find much information about this.
4. do your contacts seem to be very interested in human emotion/psychology? have they evolved past that? are they mainly computerized/robotic thinkers?

thanks,
jenny

Other people's encounters, claims, and abduction cases are not proof that anything is happening with you. Preseting that as proof, proves nothing at all. Meh, I do not know why I even waste time with this nonsense. I guess because I hate seeing people duped when it comes to UFO related topics.

I suppose I'm done with this, dnb is welcome to his personal delusions. I only ask those of you that are seriously considering what he says as truth, to please write down all the facts as he has stated them, as a short, concise list. Then read through that, and decide if your common sense thinks it is just too unbelievable to be real—if it contains so many conspiracy theories as to be ludicrous. If you decide afterwards that he may be telling the truth, have fun on your journey with him, just don't let him convince you that a ride on a comet is what you need to do. That last crew that bought up such a load of nonsense are now sadly dead.

reply to post by dnbaudio


Now, we haven't found any planets around either Sirius stars, yet, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a space-station there.

Ok, he also states that there are 5 sub-species of grays. So, those people who defend grays have something right. There is only one race of grays enslaved by the "evil race". I'll be honest, I don't know yet if my abduction was by a benevolent or malicious race of grays, but I do know that they have a "white"/"blue" being with them, as a scientist, and this is my "Charlie". Enough on that, back to the proof.

I'll say this; Stan Romanek's "gray" is really a juvenile "white", who is probably lost, which is why they were even here in the first place, looking for their lost child. Which is why I was used, as a tool to locate Stan Romanek. Which explains all the UFO sightings around his area "looking" for their lost loved one.

We've all seen the alleged photos of aliens and videos of UFOs on YouTube, and all over the place. I'd like people to fully scrutinize these images for themselves. I can only tell you that there are images of evil grays, whites, and good grays. And, there are even some videos of reptilian news reporters "shape-shifting" eyes. The facial distortion is a video error probably caused by distortion from a satellite link.

The images of these aliens COMPLETELY substantiate my visions, and experience. Again, I cannot give you your own visions or any first hand experience of your own. I suggest that you seek it out! INVESTIGATE!

We have a conspiracy to take our freedom! This is evidence that evil is afoot on our planet. Say NO to a Federal ID card. Just let the Mexicans and Central Americans come here and work, that's all they want. That's what all Americans' ancestors wanted. Say YES to the right to bear arms, we're all going to need weapons against the real "evil aliens". Say YES to Civil Liberties, and NO to government interventions. Peace and security will come with educating and freeing all people, not controlling and unprivitizing all peoples' lives. But, there IS a conspiracy to keep us thinking that we're slaves to the system. WAKE UP PEOPLE. We created the system, and we're each BIGGER than the system. We can REFORM it, anytime we choose. We can MAKE PEACE anytime we choose. We need to stop warring with each other, and prepare for war against the enemies of ALL humans.

Alex Collier proved his own abilities by prophesying Bill Clinton's impeachment proceedings, and Hillary Clinton's indictment.

Stan Romanek is having a documentary created about his own experience, that will prove his claims, scientifically. I've seen the video clip. It's not fake.

I will prove my story. I just need the help of other scientists. And, this is also a call for aid.

So, my proof is not any one thing. My proof is the OVERWHELMING BODY OF EVIDENCE, and the independent substantiation of my experiences by two people who I didn't even know existed a week ago.

My proof is not undeniable proof. I cannot scientifically test my theory, because some of my claims are simply unprovable. Like the theory of Natural Selection, even though we have a LAW OF EVOLUTION. Like the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis, with all of it's body of evidence, there's no way to prove it, even though we are the only ape with a dive-reflex, subcutaneous fat, little hair, paddle-like hands and feet, and hair that grows along flow-lines. Quantum Field Theory and QUANTUM MECHANICS that we USE EVERYDAY in MRIs and other imaging!! IT'S SIMPLY UNPROVABLE, right now!! BUT THE BODY OF EVIDENCE REMAINS!!!

That's the best I can do,
~dnb~

P.S. I've already listed proof of my telepathy.

reply to post by InterWeb


Funny post, even if you were trying to keep a straight face.

I was entertained by this guy's remarks and more concerned towards the end. This is how UFOlogy becomes a religion and next thing you know, your assured "salvation" is on the next passing comet. Get your shiny new sneakers on!

No, I'm totally serious. You are not special and the world is not going to end in our lifetimes. It would be exciting, though I suspect like everyone in history before us who KNEW the end was coming, we'll die of less exciting natural causes.

Everyone seems to leave a last tidbit of advice or a quote, so here's mine especially for you:

"Small steps to the madhouse still get us there at last."-G Macguire

"Proof of your telepathy"??? What you've said on an internet forum? Honestly, you've changed the grounding of your argument on that so many times and you still expect people to take you seriously.

Still offering no proof of your IQ, or your educational background come to that - your proof seems very similar to Schroedingers cat.

If putting something on a web forum counts as proof I'm a millionaire rock star.

Originally posted by fleabit
Other people's encounters, claims, and abduction cases are not proof that anything is happening with you. Preseting that as proof, proves nothing at all. Meh, I do not know why I even waste time with this nonsense. I guess because I hate seeing people duped when it comes to UFO related topics.

I suppose I'm done with this, dnb is welcome to his personal delusions. I only ask those of you that are seriously considering what he says as truth, to please write down all the facts as he has stated them, as a short, concise list. Then read through that, and decide if your common sense thinks it is just too unbelievable to be real—if it contains so many conspiracy theories as to be ludicrous. If you decide afterwards that he may be telling the truth, have fun on your journey with him, just don't let him convince you that a ride on a comet is what you need to do. That last crew that bought up such a load of nonsense are now sadly dead.

I promise not to ask anyone to ride on a comet, or join me without their own proof by investigation. I am not delusional (My Dr.'s report proves that, even if it doesn't prove it to you). Combining conspiracy theories is not ludicrous. We combine theories all the time in Science.

And, I pity fleabit for not having the analytical power or personal experiences to come to the same conclusions as I have. Good luck on your search for the truth, sir. Your skepticism is noted and has been promoted. And, if you can find funding for my research, I will be glad to take this to the laboratory and easily prove it these claims to the world. But, there are still those who don't believe in the Laws of Physics, skeptics will always abound.

I recommend proving it to yourself through independent investigation.

Fleabit, I will not respond to you, anymore.

PLEASE, I beg for a different line of questions.

~dnb~

Originally posted by sweatytexan
reply to post by InterWeb

 

Funny post, even if you were trying to keep a straight face.

I was entertained by this guy's remarks and more concerned towards the end. This is how UFOlogy becomes a religion and next thing you know, your assured "salvation" is on the next passing comet. Get your shiny new sneakers on!

No, I'm totally serious. You are not special and the world is not going to end in our lifetimes. It would be exciting, though I suspect like everyone in history before us who KNEW the end was coming, we'll die of less exciting natural causes.

Everyone seems to leave a last tidbit of advice or a quote, so here's mine especially for you:

"Small steps to the madhouse still get us there at last."-G Macguire

You are wrong about the world not ending in our lifetime. We are already on the brink of ecological breakdown, and that is scientific fact.

So comparing me to a cult. I am a scientist.

~dnb~

Originally posted by jokei
"Proof of your telepathy"??? What you've said on an internet forum? Honestly, you've changed the grounding of your argument on that so many times and you still expect people to take you seriously.

Still offering no proof of your IQ, or your educational background come to that - your proof seems very similar to Schroedingers cat.

If putting something on a web forum counts as proof I'm a millionaire rock star.

I've changed only the small details of my theory to form a more perfect theory, which I obviously SHOULD reform and post. And, I'm suggesting that I told "the truth behind the UFO/Alien myths", nothing more. My proof is out there for you to find. My claims are accurate. You will stop attacking my claims of IQ, telepathy, evidential proof, and honesty, or you will prove yourself a fool.

~d