The truth behind the Alien/UFO myths.

reply to post by dnbaudio

So comparing me to a cult. I am a scientist.

A computer scientist/programmer, but I realize that's still a scientist so I won't complain about that. I'm interested to see what happens 2012. How would everyone react if absolutely nothing happened?

I will try to touch on: visitations, UFOs, Aliens, 2012, and humanity's role in this mystery. The things I will hypothesize have firm grounding in empirical experiences. There is no hocus-pocus, religion, or astrology in my findings. I am speaking from first-hand experience and reasoned deductions.

Visitations (abductions, probing, and implants):
------------
1) ETs visit earth, and their reasons vary by race and politics.

2) Alien spacecraft and communication work through a form of telepathy

3) By your thoughts, you can, effectively, alter spacetime-energy on the other side of the universe (or within a sensor on a spacecraft) without the messy interference of time. (See: quantum mechanics).

4) Probing, as you know, is a rather unpleasant experience. But, who's seen the "Dirty Jobs" with Mike Rowe episode where he has to stick a probe-shaped electrode into a bull's rectum, forcing the bull to ejaculate? We are not being experimented on, per se. We are being sampled and scientifically examined to help a dying race of aliens, even if their methods seem strange to us, they are normal medical procedures. They are determining the nature of the specimen they've abducted. A light, a sound, and some well-tuned "thought-rays" do the business of paralyzing said specimen, through hypnosis.

5) Implants are interesting bits of metallic substances placed in various parts of the body. These implants are of no alloy known to modern man. And, they react to EM radiation and, so, thoughts. These implants are used to track our thoughts, our emotions, our locations, and if you're extremely lucky, to receive messages in return. The location in your body in which your implant is located is not arbitrary as Calcium amplifies it's effectiveness.

UFOs: (sightings, E/M interference, and landings)
-------
1) They're real.

2) Some are interested in hiding; and they're also really rare. They have a Law of non-interference. But, the U.S. Government signed a treaty that gave away our right to remain non-interfered for trade of some technology. Watch Alex Collier's videos on this message. Those who we do see without being abducted are friendly, those who abduct are enslaved by an evil-race.

3) They interfere with EM fields, because their propulsion works on EM, simple enough. They create exact repulsory fields in order to stay "aloft". If they have landed, you should know that it's an emergency or helpful on-lookers. Either they are gathering needed food or resources, or they are friendly tourists

Aliens: (ET time-travelers, races, and why most look humanoid)
--------
1) Aliens are not us, we cannot interbreed, but we have all "evolved" together, each race helping along those slower to evolve, from a "master race" (Alex Collier's "Andromedans") from another solar system that was destroyed by war and had to repopulate other planets. Earth was seeded by that master race. We contain several genes from many different races. This accounts for the large leaps in evolution. This is why we are a brotherhood of planetary races. Just as each human race is a brother to each other.

2) We are genetically tailored to suit a specific planet. Grays, blues, greens, browns, whites, whatever, have their own planet. If they weren't human relatives, they wouldn't be humanoid. Ask an anthropologist. They are a human relative (like all the apes), which is why they have human features.

3) There are also aliens like those on Star Wars or Lilo and Stitch; very different.

4) As time travelers, they've traveled back in time for a couple of different reasons. "Whites" want to save some of us from manipulative forces and unify mankind in Liberty. Some want to study us. Enslaved "grays" want to harvest our genes to save their race. And the "evil race" wants us to die.

(continued in next post)

[cont.]

5) All the "good" races want for us, is to unify, enlighten everyone through education, be humane, and find our destiny among the stars.

2012: (crossing the galactic plane, global polarity switching, earthquakes, floods, famine, nuclear war, genocide, super-volcanoes, and "holes" in the magnetic sheild of the Earth, and if we're unlucky, an asteroid to boot.)
------
1) Don't come crying to me that I didn't tell you. These things are all coming down the pipes.

2) We've all heard that physics works the same in reverse as it does in forward, right? That's true in the now, but as time goes off into the future and past, the probabilities stretch to allow many pasts and many futures, as long as those threads don't significantly alter the present. So, fate has dealt a mostly determined (yet not completely unchangeable) hand. It doesn't take one disaster to cause the most intelligent creature that has ever graced this solar system to run into a mass-extinction. It takes several all at once.

3) The trick is surviving. That's where it get's quite interesting.

Humanity's role in this mess:
==========
Have you ever wondered why Dick Cheney wants to have access to a military bunker in case of nuclear war? He wants to survive. Why does he know it's coming? Because, the U.S. already has this evidence. It's all been agreed to in meetings starting back when we developed nuclear weapons. It's covered up, because, everyone and their grandmother would want access to the bunkers that will save the few people that will live through "Armageddon", and the few resources that remain. Dick's trying to outwit fate, by being in league with the enslaved "greys", which is the effort of the illuminati, and skull-and-bones. (The masons and Catholics just want to survive, either way.) Evil efforts are readying the Earth for invasion by this "evil race" by destroying the environment and ecology, so that we lose our rights to the Earth, because we were poor "stewards" of the Earth, as it is said in the Bible we should be. The elite have been promised rule over mankind (and genetic evolution, technology, etc.) by the "evil race".

Our only hope is scientific advancement, ecologically sound policy (immediately), democracy, personal rights, intellectual development, and UNITY between all of the brothers and sisters of all countries of mankind.

Here are the questions:

1) Does the evidence support these findings?
2) What do we have to lose by unifying and promoting democracy and personal development?
3) Why do we work for a broken system? We have all of the intelligence and technology of the 21st century at our disposal! I have, personally, already solved global government. I just have to write it out and implement something that takes the consent of the majority of the people of the Earth! But, we should have a SCIENTIFIC COMMITTEE of politicians to do this!)
4) Why don't we have an Earthen Constitution of Mankind?
5) The U.N. declared Human Rights for ALL PEOPLE, but do we see that, yet?
6) Why doesn't our Republican government support the Declaration of Human Obligations?
7) Why is Ron Paul unpopular, if his only stance is in honest vehement support of the strictest interpretation of the most perfectly designed documents of governmental control and human rights in history?
8) Where is $2 billion of U.S. black-ops money going?

(continued in next post)

[edit on 6-8-2008 by dnbaudio]

[edit on 6-8-2008 by dnbaudio]

[cont.]
-----
So, what are you going to do? -

Build a bunker before 2012, because we are ON the threshold of the "ecological breakdown", which is 2008.

2012 is the date the "evil race" will return. Because, the human race will be weakened by catastrophes. Will you stockpile and save resources? Will you fight back against tyranny? If you're going to fight tyranny, why aren't you doing it now?

Will you try to communicate with our friends before it's too late, and hope that they will agree to save us? We have to COLLECTIVELY agree to ask for that help, because we willingly gave up our free-will in a treaty. WE NEED TO CHOOSE UNITY AND LIBERTY OR WE WILL NEED HELP FREEING OURSELVES FROM SLAVERY!

We don't need the government to start this movement. All we need is the words of unity spreading. It's time for war to end. It's time for all responsible free men to rule the world.

At all costs, avoid Dick Cheney's invitation to Christmas-eve dinner in 2012. Yes, he'll still be alive, unfortunately.

~dnb~

Searches of interest: "Zeitgeist", "Stan Romanek", "Alex Collier", "UFO videos", "Alien videos", "Alien abduction stories", "Campaign for Liberty", "Declaration of Human Obligations", "Skull-and-bones", "Personal Democracy Forum" and all related links.

Welcome to the truth behind the UFO/Alien myths. God, bless us all.

Honestly, why is questioning and asking for proof from you foolish? It seems like you're getting a little heated again, it would seem the opposite is the case for me looking foolish, I would be incredibly embarrassed to make statements and/or arguments and not be able/prepared to back them up.

I am interested in the validity of your claims and would be excited if you could prove them to be true, instead you deflect my inquiries by telling me to check out the Stan Romanek site - which I have and I think that that site and his claims have creedence and validity (to a degree)... BUT, in no way does this make your claims valid until you can offer evidence of them, it's like saying "My dad owns a porsche so I own a porsche" - except there isn't even that link between you and Stan Romanek. Your logic there is incredibly unsound... please take a deep breath, pause and think, try to understand how you CLAIMING you had a similar experience to a documented case isn't actually proof - this follows for all the other claims regarding your case you have made, you offer no evidence than other cases.

Right, I'm not overly sure how to get quotes in from different threads here so I'm just going to cut and paste some of your statements that are contradictory.

"P.S.
If I hear of anyone attempting to harm any of them to gain fame or profit, I will personally destroy you. Do not test me on this."

to which I respond "You made a comment elsewhere about "personally destroying" anyone that attempted to harm an alien. How, exactly would you be able to do this, for example if a Russian or Australian were to harm an alien.

*What would constitute harm to an alien - if they're psychic I could set my imaginary pet dog on them for example, would that constitute harm? You have stated that harming an alien would be "punishable" (my emphasis), yet also claim to have harmed an alien, can you see the dichotomy in this? Could you please explain how you rationalise this, is it because you are a leader?"*

(I would also be pleasantly surprised if you could answer the part of my question previously ignored, I have highlighted it thus *...*)

Your reply to this "Your requests are becoming offensive, but I'll entertain you.
If someone was pointing a gun at you, would you shoot them? I was being attacked mentally, and I fought back. Benevolent beings don't initiate attacks.
And, "personally destroying" someone in Australia or Russia is only difficult, it's not impossible. I'm talking about bringing someone to justice for murder, nothing else."

- also, why do you find being questioned offensive?

later...

"My telepathy with humans only works within the range of roughly 10-12 meters. And, then, only with people I have spent some amount of time with whom becoming accustomed."

These are only a few of your *cough* inconsistencies and only the ones that directly relate to questions that I have asked you and not the contradictions and inconsistencies you have used in response to other posters, of which there are many (inconsistencies)... I don't want to make you feel bad, but I've done a stint marking exams and that's the sort of thing I'm good at looking for. Your case is really not holding water at all.

I'll make a point of one thing you said, it's the "destroying thing", which let's face it does come across as rather hostile and aggressive and if was meant sarcastically, well, I'm sure you're well aware of terminology such as (sic), italicising, speech marks etc. You then state you "would track someone down and find justice", well, you've not yet alluded to being a lawyer, but how would you go about this seeking of justice? What form would you believe this justice to take? Would you really travel to Australia Russia or even England in this noble pursuit?

I've not really started many threads on ATS, but I accept that if I do put ANY viewpoint on here it is subject to member AND anonymous scrutiny - that my views would be subject to that and that I may need to back these up... I think it may even explain this in the T&Cs on here. I would have no issue in doing this, most of my posts tend to revolve around ethical arguments and I feel I can defend my stance on things well and without anger... I only capitalise to EMPHASIZE, not to express anger. It seems if your statements held validity you wouldn't be so evasive about providing evidence of your own and not 2nd hand evidence of others.

Again, I reiterate the point that I have no intent of causing offence to you here and only wish to pursue a debate to a reasoned end and I would like you to answer a few more questions if you are capable of providing the answers...

1) Why are you unwilling to give details of your identity?

2) I outright accuse you of lying about the majority of your statements and specifically about your IQ - please provide evidence of your Intelligence Quotient score.

3) Is this some kind of "elaborate" attempt to hoax ATSers? There seems to be a clue in your "Get the message out tonight" thread, ie "Do not test me on this", well, you're being tested, what happens now?

I can live with it if this is some kind of joke, I like rational discourse - and this has kinda been fun. I wish you the best and peace to you.

reply to post by Higgins


Well, it's like December 21st (I think) 2012, so I'd give it until new years eve, midnight say then pop another beer. What would you do?

reply to post by jokei

Well afterwards I'd be extremely happy to be alive and pop another beer

reply to post by Higgins

Yeah, well, my new year's will be super-bitching with me and Roger, he does a mean Margaritta...

Seriously though, I do agree with some of dnbaudios statements, I do think we're headed for something big and nasty for the human race - economically if nothing else. 2012, maybe? Probably not... I don't have any hard theories on this other than the economy (worldwide) buckling, plus I've got a bad feeling about the Olympics...

reply to post by vishudda

I watched his ( Alex Collier's ) interview videos, 1-12 on YouTube, and there seems to be a good many more beyond the 12.....they are somewhat distressing. I cannot wholeheartedly believe all that he claims, but some things seem to be disturbingly accurate. Many of his statements jive with what others are also saying.....I have gone into a search mode for more info about him...

Here's a sampling of Alex Collier related threads from the ATS 'archives'.....

Where is Alex Collier now?

ALEX COLLIER - truth or not ?

Alex Collier on reptilians

Here's the page of results of my search for ATS threads about Alex Collier
Be prepared to do a lot of reading! Some threads will be listed more than once....it runs to over ten pages of links!

Alex Collier's book on line In PDF format....



[edit on 6-8-2008 by frayed1]

Thank you so much for taking time to answer some of my questions. I have read all your threads and wanted to talk to you. I didnt want to ask questions in the thread because some people can be very rude.

In your first thread I think you made comments regarding that you have been abducted, or that you communicate with Aliens. If I remember correctly. And that you have transmitter or somthing in your neck by your spine? When did your abductions start and do you remember what you went thru. How they treated you. And what were your thoughts when All this started happening. Also which species do you have contact with are they ones that look like us or the greys.

On the thread that you started about going outside and watching the skies. YOu stated in there that if you wanted contact bad enough and concentrated on it it would happen. Is this how you first contacted them. And how do you do it. Do you have to be in meditation first to contact them. Or just think it really hard.

I have always felt that we are not the only structured civilization in our galaxy from a very early age. I believe in UFO's, but I dont know if I believe that our gov't talks to them. I believe that our gov't knows about them, but really dont know why they visit us here. What do you think?

I have to reread your first thread you stated in there about what will happen in 2012. Because you have visions, do you think your visions are from UFO's. What have they told you about 2012? Do you think that there will be another a flood like in Noah's time. the only reason I ask is because If the planets are suppose to aligned with the sun in the middle of the milky way dont you think that will have some affect on our oceans tides kinda like what the moon does to our oceans but on a bigger level.

Sorry my questions are not in an orderly fashion, but I just have so much to ask. I will leave at this for now. Once again thank you for you time.

I'm going to answer this U2U publicly, keeping the sender anonymous.

I don't remember my abduction, because I was "out", I only remember having a dream that I was having surgery, then waking up to see a little head peering through the window (smiling at me). That was the night of September 20, 2001. (which changes from my initial statement, but I looked back at my journal to find this date.) And, I haven't had regression therapy, yet, but my initial reaction is that I was treated well, (no anal probing) and I was simply fitted with an implant to aid in my telepathic abilities. This was done by a team of whites and good greys, I'm quite sure, now.

I did not ask for my contact/abduction, by any other means than being receptive to the idea of aliens being "good". I think they knew that they could trust me. I don't think you'll get contact if you try hard enough. I think they have to want to contact you, first. But, if you want contact, the best way to open a channel for communication is through meditation or prayer. They're telepathic. They'll read your mind, even if you're not trying to talk to them. They do it all the time without us knowing. I think this is where we get the "God is always watching" thinking.

And my thinking on 2012 is multi-faceted. I think there will be natural disasters due to galactic alignment (i.e. a polar shift causing floods, earthquakes, drought, famine, disease, volcanoes, etc.) This will be made worse by our polluting and weakening of our Earthen ecology, today. And, this will begin a nuclear war as nations of people try to survive. And, this will be our weakest moment, and that's when the evil-races will come to Earth to attempt invasion and domination.

I hope this answers your questions,
~dnb~

Would the sender of the above u2u please step forwards, just to confirm that they did actually send this?

dnbaudio, answers to my questions please, if you would be so kind.

reply to post by frayed1

thanks for watching and all the info. i was obsessed with him for about a week and then the information on him sort of ran out. also, i tried to wiki him and found nothing. i was basically just very moved by the things he said, and i don't know why. i love the part where he pretty much warns us of 9-11. also, the part where he was like, "just turn off the TV... just TURN IT OFF!" and became all flustered made me grin a lot. i don't know why anyone would want to disprove someone who tries to inform people that "the pain that you carry is the love you withhold." anyway, it's all very intriguing.

jenny

[edit on 6-8-2008 by vishudda]

[edit on 6-8-2008 by vishudda]

reply to post by vishudda


I find the Alex Collier stuff very interesting too, I'm not sure how much I believe, I'm also not sure how much I disbelieve, there's certainly a lot of food for thought there. The problem with predictions are that they can be moulded to ascribe meaning after "the event" and if the event doesn't take place then "it wasn't that event".

Originally posted by jokei
Would the sender of the above u2u please step forwards, just to confirm that they did actually send this?

dnbaudio, answers to my questions please, if you would be so kind.

This person will not step forward, because you are too critical. Try to just loosen up with your doubt, a little bit. Your skepticism has been noted.

Really, jokei, we've heard enough from you. And, your mind-flaying mona lisa is starting to really creep me out.

~dnb~

reply to post by dnbaudio


Respectfully, I shall "quit" when you are able to provide answers to my valid questions. I have no personal problem with you whatsoever, I'd just like you to wrap-up the inaccuracies that I have pointed out in your statements, also to provide some of your own proof for the things I have requested.

As for the u2u, I'd not have anything to ask of the poster other than how long they've been on ATS. I'd note though, a similar writing style to that of your own in the "u2u". Also, why would I need to be critical of someone sending you a u2u, all I seek is validity and proof of your statements. I've not been critical of anyone elses opinions on here only the OP, which is what the OP should take into account when they post - that people may have different viewpoints, seek clarification or have questions about the OP.

It also seems you're the only person in this thread that has had enough for me, I don't think it fair you try to speak for others. If they have had enough - well anyone can voice their opinion on here and I would respectfully take that into consideration. You should also not forget you're more than able to request a moderator to put this under scrutiny.

Respectfully

Ooh, one more question, in your NWO thread you have stated that you were USAF, may I ask what rank etc and also, why not mention that here, surely that would have leant a little validity to your statements, if of course you could prove your were USAF?

As to my avatar, it's not an Illithid, it's a Cthulhu Mona Lisa, IA!

[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

Originally posted by jokei
reply to post by dnbaudio

 

Respectfully, I shall "quit" when you are able to provide answers to my valid questions. I have no personal problem with you whatsoever, I'd just like you to wrap-up the inaccuracies that I have pointed out in your statements, also to provide some of your own proof for the things I have requested.

As for the u2u, I'd not have anything to ask of the poster other than how long they've been on ATS. I'd note though, a similar writing style to that of your own in the "u2u". Also, why would I need to be critical of someone sending you a u2u, all I seek is validity and proof of your statements. I've not been critical of anyone elses opinions on here only the OP, which is what the OP should take into account when they post - that people may have different viewpoints, seek clarification or have questions about the OP.

Respectfully

Ooh, one more question, in your NWO thread you have stated that you were USAF, may I ask what rank etc and also, why not mention that here, surely that would have leant a little validity to your statements, if of course you could prove your were USAF?

As to my avatar, it's not an Illithid, it's a Cthulhu Mona Lisa, IA!

[edit on 6-8-2008 by jokei]

I don't think the writing style of my friend is like mine, at all.

I mentioned that I was in the USAF in other threads, I didn't realize that I hadn't mentioned it here. I was and E-4, honorable discharge. And, I will not provide proof, because I will undoubtedly lose my job, if I was public.

~dnb~

Again, I point to my request for you to answer my previous questions and you can attempt to refute my claims you have contradicted yourself.

Now, another question, how could revealing you were a Senior Airman with an honourable discharge in anyway jeopordise your current employment? I don't know of any employer that doesn't think of military personnel as anything but a boon in industry.

Originally posted by jokei
Honestly, why is questioning and asking for proof from you foolish? It seems like you're getting a little heated again, it would seem the opposite is the case for me looking foolish, I would be incredibly embarrassed to make statements and/or arguments and not be able/prepared to back them up.

I am interested in the validity of your claims and would be excited if you could prove them to be true, instead you deflect my inquiries by telling me to check out the Stan Romanek site - which I have and I think that that site and his claims have creedence and validity (to a degree)... BUT, in no way does this make your claims valid until you can offer evidence of them, it's like saying "My dad owns a porsche so I own a porsche" - except there isn't even that link between you and Stan Romanek. Your logic there is incredibly unsound... please take a deep breath, pause and think, try to understand how you CLAIMING you had a similar experience to a documented case isn't actually proof - this follows for all the other claims regarding your case you have made, you offer no evidence than other cases.

Right, I'm not overly sure how to get quotes in from different threads here so I'm just going to cut and paste some of your statements that are contradictory.

"P.S.
If I hear of anyone attempting to harm any of them to gain fame or profit, I will personally destroy you. Do not test me on this."

to which I respond "You made a comment elsewhere about "personally destroying" anyone that attempted to harm an alien. How, exactly would you be able to do this, for example if a Russian or Australian were to harm an alien.

*What would constitute harm to an alien - if they're psychic I could set my imaginary pet dog on them for example, would that constitute harm? You have stated that harming an alien would be "punishable" (my emphasis), yet also claim to have harmed an alien, can you see the dichotomy in this? Could you please explain how you rationalise this, is it because you are a leader?"*

(I would also be pleasantly surprised if you could answer the part of my question previously ignored, I have highlighted it thus *...*)

Your reply to this "Your requests are becoming offensive, but I'll entertain you.
If someone was pointing a gun at you, would you shoot them? I was being attacked mentally, and I fought back. Benevolent beings don't initiate attacks.
And, "personally destroying" someone in Australia or Russia is only difficult, it's not impossible. I'm talking about bringing someone to justice for murder, nothing else."

- also, why do you find being questioned offensive?

later...

"My telepathy with humans only works within the range of roughly 10-12 meters. And, then, only with people I have spent some amount of time with whom becoming accustomed."

These are only a few of your *cough* inconsistencies and only the ones that directly relate to questions that I have asked you and not the contradictions and inconsistencies you have used in response to other posters, of which there are many (inconsistencies)... I don't want to make you feel bad, but I've done a stint marking exams and that's the sort of thing I'm good at looking for. Your case is really not holding water at all.

I'll make a point of one thing you said, it's the "destroying thing", which let's face it does come across as rather hostile and aggressive and if was meant sarcastically, well, I'm sure you're well aware of terminology such as (sic), italicising, speech marks etc. You then state you "would track someone down and find justice", well, you've not yet alluded to being a lawyer, but how would you go about this seeking of justice? What form would you believe this justice to take? Would you really travel to Australia Russia or even England in this noble pursuit?

I've not really started many threads on ATS, but I accept that if I do put ANY viewpoint on here it is subject to member AND anonymous scrutiny - that my views would be subject to that and that I may need to back these up... I think it may even explain this in the T&Cs on here. I would have no issue in doing this, most of my posts tend to revolve around ethical arguments and I feel I can defend my stance on things well and without anger... I only capitalise to EMPHASIZE, not to express anger. It seems if your statements held validity you wouldn't be so evasive about providing evidence of your own and not 2nd hand evidence of others.

Again, I reiterate the point that I have no intent of causing offence to you here and only wish to pursue a debate to a reasoned end and I would like you to answer a few more questions if you are capable of providing the answers...

1) Why are you unwilling to give details of your identity?

2) I outright accuse you of lying about the majority of your statements and specifically about your IQ - please provide evidence of your Intelligence Quotient score.

3) Is this some kind of "elaborate" attempt to hoax ATSers? There seems to be a clue in your "Get the message out tonight" thread, ie "Do not test me on this", well, you're being tested, what happens now?

I can live with it if this is some kind of joke, I like rational discourse - and this has kinda been fun. I wish you the best and peace to you.

Just incase, above are my statements and questions I would like you to respond to.

...another thing, the alleged u2u, whilst simplified and containing spelling mistakes is somewhat similar in sentence construction. Now I'm no linguistics expert, but I found the use of there in this to be "interesting" I think it would be easier for me to call in a moderator here and see if it's possible for them to ascertain if you received this as a u2u.

However, in the meantime, I'm going sleepy-byes, I'll speak to a mod tomorrow, hereby giving you a chance to answer my questions.

Respectfully

reply to post by jokei


It's not that saying I am a Senior Airman with an honorable discharge would jeopardize my employment, man. Proving it to you, though, would mean providing my DD214, and I'm not going to do that, because my name would be public. Get it?!?

!~d