The truth behind the Alien/UFO myths.

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I wanted to take a moment to thank mbkennel for putting the "phasing" issue to bed, nicely, and for the corrections to my QM claims. I am not a Physicist, and I only know what I've read and been told in layman's terms. I'm a Computer Scientist (Computist?). I am a programmer and designer. So, I am totally tuned in to logic and how to properly test (debug). This is why I sought professional help, when I was first receiving messages. I don't want to lose my job. (Which is why I'd rather remain quite anonymous.)

So, sincere thanks to mbkennel, and extended thanks to all of you for your questions and criticisms, as it has helped me find new questions and think up new tests and reasons to question my findings.

I am still waiting for a taker on my "thought experiment" and I have also promised to post the x-rays from my upcoming bone-scan. I am also a skeptic, so I believe that I owe you all the proof that I claim to have experienced over several years.

Again, I appreciate this experience,
~dnb~

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thank you for the reply dnb
the day it happened, the feeling of this person in the room was overwelming from the moment they walked into the room. when i let that person know i was afraid, they disappeared, just like that and i suddenly felt a right idiot.lol i actually felt their weight pushed against me..

i did get the feeling that i was safe and not in any danger, there was no sexual thoughts, just as you say, i felt this person was here to comfort me.. was it real, very much so, unbelieveable but it did happen..
i have tried so hard to get an answer to this, i have tried so hard to get this person to come back but to no avail.........so far, i dont give up too easy.lol

thank you very much my friend
i will be watching your thread
peace

>>His skin is white, because deep-space travel doesn't require skin-pigment.

I hope Charlie didn't tell you this, because it's a common misconception about evolution, and I would hope as an advanced alien being from the future he would be well aware of the fundamentals of genetics.

Lack of need itself does not drive genetic selection; only positive effects on survival will cause a change in genetic frequency. For instance, our vestigial organs will not ever vanish simply because we don't need them....they will only vanish if there's a distinct benefit to survival for them to disappear.

Either Charlie is misinformed, or I'm curious as to why lacking pigmentation would have evolved as an adaptation to space travel.

Originally posted by dnbaudio

I don't think Charlie believes we are barbaric, simply undisciplined and too wrapped up in our fractured factions. He continually expresses to me, that he is not Caucasian, just because he's "white". He shows me that he is actually all races, the best of all people. His skin is white, because deep-space travel doesn't require skin-pigment. He encourages brotherhood of man, and the peace of cooperation and "mixing".

You've said Charlie comes from the future. If he has all races within himself, that means the world population does eventually "come together" in the future. What year is Charlie coming from?

I really agree with this solution to our "fratctured factions" and global conflicts. If Charlie is from the future, what does hes say about our survival past 2012? What changes are going to take place? When does planet Earth get its act together and live in balance with nature and one another?

Sometimes his eyes are large and black, and sometimes they're quite small and sullen (sunken and dark) and surrounded by wrinkled eyelids, yet completely unmistakeably human with blue irises and pin prick of a pupil. When I asked about this before, I got back "sunglasses" and images of several types of sunglasses and then the image of my computer monitor.

Sounds like, "sunglasses which have computer displays on the inside".


I wonder why these ET's don't ever 'abduct'/communicate with physicists. I'd not be the best one (I concentrate on more statistical time series algorithms).

I bet Ed Witten could shake down a heckuva lot of physics.

By the way, if these guys are time travellers and have control over gravity (kind of a prerequisite) do you mind asking them to deflect that 2012 asteroid? I'm really not into planetary genocide.

Thinking that the planet has to go some through "purging" and only some chosen elite deserve to be saved is quite literally fascist thinking.

"If aliens like dnb says are real they must think were barbarians."
My answer was "Well if they(the whites) are us from the future, they must have remembered how advanced we were for our age."

What do you guys think about that?

Moreover, they would be able to read and write our contemporary languages, much as there are people today who read and write Latin and ancient Greek---the primary languages of the Roman Empire. Especially if they were time travelers and could go back and observe people at the time.

Given their sophistication, I hope they've licked machine translation, and they could give us some pretty interesting books.

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This is a general reply to posts.

There are some things that I just don't get answers for. I can't figure out why Dec 21, 2012 is significant (it's just the date that Charlie keeps making me most aware of.) I don't know why they won't stop the destruction of the human race (maybe, it's not an asteroid. maybe, it's a nuclear war. (which he couldn't and won't prevent) because it's the "natural course of human events.") He has repeated to me a theme of non-intervention. They want us to figure out world peace and our destiny among the stars for ourselves.

I don't think I'm wrong about the time-travel thing, but I might be kind of wrong about the human-descendant thing. It might be that he's showing me that he's "like-us". And the "collectiveness" message might be that (being genetically modified creatures) that they "took the best of us" to "be more like us", genetically. A creature that moves through space collecting all sorts of genes seems like a very likely reason behind a candidate who explores "living" planets.

So, he might be a descendant, but only in carrying some genes from Earthen ancestors (maybe, even other apes?). (I'd personally like to have the gene that creates Vitamin C and the genes that create all the Fatty acids back from our evolutionary ancestry. I don't like oranges and nuts.)

Here's a new line a questioning that I'll pursue: "If the world is destroyed in 2012 (or ruined by pollution, war, diseases, etc.), and they found our genes trapped in teeth, bones, and such. Did they find these remnants and take what they could, and then decide to travel back in time to find out what happened and to try to save some (or all) of us from total annihilation, if we agreed to get help?"

I think this is what I will be meditating on, for the next few months.

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This next message is for everyone with ears, eyes, and a camera. I have a feeling that tonight will be very significant, and I am going to sit in the yard as long as I can stay awake, attempting contact. I suggest that this night is the night (8/4/2008) that we all send a clear message that we are ready for contact, and we want it right now.

I am excited about tonight.


I have advice for everyone. Put down your weapons and keep your dogs in their kennels or house. Get a flashlight, a camera, and a phone. Trust in your own abilities to keep calm and logical (their telepathy naturally causes a fear response in us, we (and they) can't help it, but we must try to control it.) They're not going to hurt anyone, I promise. And, if you are lucky enough to have an encounter of a 3rd kind, please, show some dignity. Bow a greeting and extend your hands in peace. This message of welcome is universal.

A word of caution; Hope that you run into a "white", as these are the most friendly species. If you run into a "blue", you should appeal to their curiosity. And, if you happen to run into a "grey", I recommend staying very wary of them, and seek out friends.

I don't believe in the myth that these "spirits" lie to us. I believe that they have their own language, and our minds simply interpret these thoughts as well as we can. They're not "lying" to us, they're simply misunderstood. It's a language-gap, nothing more.

And, if I hear of anyone attempting to harm any of them to gain fame or profit, I will personally destroy you. Do not test me on this.

~dnb~



[edit on 4-8-2008 by dnbaudio]

Hey guys

dnb, so your saying to go out in our back yards.
And think out messages.
I understand the phone and camera.
But the flashlight?
Is that to show them where we are?

And I understand IF we all do that we would cover allot of ground with the messages.

Ill do it.
But what do you want us to think? something along the lines of
"Hello, please speak to me!"
I'd just like you to clarify that a bit please.

Originally posted by joshedis

dnb, so your saying to go out in our back yards.
And think out messages.
I understand the phone and camera.
But the flashlight?
Is that to show them where we are?

That's got me puzzled too....but I'm not so sure we would need to show them where we are....If that was 'them' in my first sighting, they knew I was there with no help atall! ( also the knocking knees would give me away!)

Forget the phone ( who am I going to call??), the camera maybe....but actually Johnny Walker might be more useful...

Trust in your own abilities to keep calm and logical (their telepathy naturally causes a fear response in us, we (and they) can't help it, but we must try to control it.)

Yeah, right dnb...I wasn't afraid of rodeo broncs, but when 'that' headed back toward me...despite all of the desire I had to 'see something for myself'.....the flight response was sooooo over whelming that my feet moved without any conscious direction from the brain......

Of course I move a lot slower now.....maybe my curiosity will have a chance to talk my flight response down a bit.

I still want to know the truth.....see it with my own eyes.....

[edit on 4-8-2008 by frayed1]

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Well I'm going to have some friends out there with me...maybe not

But either way Ill be out there...but what will I do if they show up...
Probably run, except I live in the middle of my city so I'm going to a park across my street.
But I doubt I will be contacted.

Anyways best of luck everyone!

Sincerely,
joshedis

p.s For people who are going to laugh at us for actually doing this....I'm young its summer and I have noting else to do haha

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I guess the flashlight and phone are really quite optional, and I have a feeling that the camera is going to be pretty useless within the fields that their ships create, too. BUT, this is not the issue... GET THE WORD OUT! I want the advice of moderators to see if I should start a new thread, encouraging and "event" movement for the evening.

I realize this is extremely short notice, but I think it can be done.

(I've just been introduced to the videos of Alex Collier, and I am sure that he has it right.) The vocabulary of his speech is a little hard to follow, sometimes, but the MEAT of the message is EXACTLY the message that I receive. This is beyond reasoning for me, the coincidence is too great. This must be the message. It's time to take our evolution back. Who is with me?

~dnb~

i'm totally with you. the first time i watched an alex collier interview, i instinctively knew that everything he said was true. i have little knowledge or evidence of any of it, and i'm just beginning to really read about and investigate the whole e.t. agenda subject/mass media manipulation. it was the first time i've ever heard of him or watched the video, and for some reason it almost brought me to tears. just the way he spoke, his gestures, his emotional emphasis made me want to tell everyone i knew about it. i know it seems weird, but it really evoked some sort of primitive yearning to protect and love our misguided species. this is all very intuitive and emotional and not at all scientific or logical in the style of ATS, but i just wanted to say that.

i've been reading your posts sort of obsessively because i'm very drawn to your demeanor and experiences. i guess when you mentioned alex and this sort of grassroots experimental idea, i finally decided to say hello. i'm jenny, and i love reading what you have to write!

Higgins here (I'm new, so no big deal if the name doesn't ring a bell)

I've seen every post in this thread and was waiting for a significant time to post, but I think I've found the time. We've all been waiting for our own sliver of evidence- solid contact. I believe I've had my share already, but if what you say is true I'm hoping for something huge. I've read your claims and I can tell by your choice of words that you're not any normal hoaxer, and your past IQ of 161 may hold it's truth, but if we're going to play the IQ game, I'll just reveal mine. My IQ' is 125. Nothing special. I'm not certified genius, so I'm not going to claim I am or take any hostility from others claiming I think I am.

Just to throw a quick, friendly skepticism, you claim of being chosen by the "whites"? Everyone wants to believe that they're significant and have a purpose more than the daily surviving the daily turmoils of life, as it's human nature. The whites would probably want to find high intelligence among us, but I don't think their candidate, much less ANYONE in their right mind would keep feeding ATS his information even if the whites were telling him to stop. They can toy with all of our emotions and manipulate us like we could a single-celled organism, but that requires their interest in you. If they were as interested as you say they are, then they might back off in inflicting fear, but you'd feel emotions that can't be described in English (I call them dream-like emotions), which I don't doubt you have felt, but I think you would've immediately told us about them.

I say to win my trust, I'd like some questions answered. Nothing personal, I'm just trying to get a better idea of your perspective.

1. You say you're a scientist. Could you elaborate more?
2. If you are a scientist. why is your name dnbaudio? Is this a privately owned company?
2. What makes you significant enough to be given contact to the highest ranks among the grays?
3. What is the grays' plan for the chosen few when 2012 comes? Will they pick you up ahead of time and whisk you away from Earth, or will they give you access to a bunker?
4. Why have you not shown us a picture of your implant? I'm definitely not suggesting you cut it out, but if you wouldn't mind, just take a quick shot of the back of your neck using your fingers to stretch out the skin so we could see the bulge of the implant.

I have heard many times that the government is planning to admit existence of ETs at the end of this decade and introduce higher authorities of their races, so contact seems plausible. I would love to live to see the day of contact more than anything I can think of. I guess we'll see the truth come morning. Either we'll get a euphoria of contacts, or your fans' faith will be challenged. If I had more proof, I'd believe you, but for now, I don't see much significance in this thread.

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Higgins]

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Higgins]

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i'm a member now. i felt bad about posting anonymously. i was too fearful to go outside last night by myself, and no one i knew wanted to join me.

jenny

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How could you tell the difference between alien telepathic contact and something like Schizophrenia? My grandmother was schizophrenic and heard voices a lot. It drove her mad and she committed suicide before she could get successful medical treatment. To her, the voices were very real. How could you tell the difference between such a medical symptom and telepathy? The suggestion that you have to be in a state of 'panic'/'fear' to receive such communication sounds very much to me like a symptom of psychological/mental illness. I personally have a hard time believing that earth-bound humans are the only intelligent life in existence, but separating telepathy from illness is a difficult one for me.

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So with the high IQ, how come the spelling mistakes, incorrect use of there/their/they're etc, also poor construction of sentences. What is your level of academic achievement.

Can you prove your Mensa accreditation please?

Not wishing to goad you, but your IQ claim seems, well flawed

Originally posted by Higgins
Higgins here (I'm new, so no big deal if the name doesn't ring a bell)

1. You say you're a scientist. Could you elaborate more?
2. If you are a scientist. why is your name dnbaudio? Is this a privately owned company?
2. What makes you significant enough to be given contact to the highest ranks among the grays?
3. What is the grays' plan for the chosen few when 2012 comes? Will they pick you up ahead of time and whisk you away from Earth, or will they give you access to a bunker?
4. Why have you not shown us a picture of your implant? I'm definitely not suggesting you cut it out, but if you wouldn't mind, just take a quick shot of the back of your neck using your fingers to stretch out the skin so we could see the bulge of the implant.

I have heard many times that the government is planning to admit existence of ETs at the end of this decade and introduce higher authorities of their races, so contact seems plausible. I would love to live to see the day of contact more than anything I can think of. I guess we'll see the truth come morning. Either we'll get a euphoria of contacts, or your fans' faith will be challenged. If I had more proof, I'd believe you, but for now, I don't see much significance in this thread.

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Higgins]

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Higgins]

I don't remember misusing "they're, their, or there", and if I did I assure you, I did it on accident, because I was typing fast. And, I do know the their proper use. As for my sentence structure, also a symptom of typing fast and trying to get out my thoughts. I'm American, and if you're English, my manner of "speaking" might have slight differences.

I'm college educated; bachelor's degree in computer science.

dnbaudio is an old handle I used when I was younger. No it's not a company.

I don't have rank among the greys. The only people who have rank among the greys are the masonic, occult, wealthy, elitists. Who the greys have brainwashed into thinking that they're going to save, and be given all the power over Earth. (which is probably true)

I think I was abducted by the greys, implanted with a psychoactive device and I was lucky enough to have a white aboard-ship who was fond enough of me to stay in contact behind the grey's backs, since he was one of their lead scientists. (probably in an effort to keep them honest.)

As for 2012. I think that's the year of the ecological "death" of the planet. The time when the Earth's ecosystems are completely beyond self-repair. At this time, the greys will come to take over, because we've shown ourselves such poor stewards of the planet. (We'll lose the right to keep our planet.)

The whites can't do anything, because it is their view not to intervene, unless asked to by all of the people of Earth. And, since this isn't going to happen, I have it on pretty good assurance that my white contact will attempt to save me from slavery as best he can (probably because I come from Scottish masonic ancestry, and I am 1/2 German). But, I imagine, that isn't going to be nearly as pleasant as living a free life on Earth.

Those who have found favor among the whites will likely be saved to work for the greys on ships, instead of being enslaved on Earth. But, unless we can save ourselves, or learn to ask for help, we're really all quite doomed to be slaves to the greys.

I've just emailed Dr. Roger Leir about removal of my implant. It is too far beneath my skin to make it a "bump". It rests next to one of the discs between the vertebrae of my neck. I can still feel the scar tissue building up around it, if I press very firmly with my finger tip. But, this hurts, as well.

We're not going to have real contact until the invasion, or until we all collectively agree that we need their intervention. But, at the end of 2012, we'll completely lose our rights to our planet, for failure to keep it ecologically-sound

Keep asking questions!!
!~dnb~!

"Coughs politely", the misuse of there/their/they're was my point you've also ignored my asking for proof of your IQ/Mensa credits... and the opening of your last post you said "On accident", surely you meant "by accident"...

Oh, and "computist", I think you meant you're a "Computerist", where did you study computerism?

Again, not wanting to cause consternation, but you're (not your) claiming to have such a high IQ and it's not standing up.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by jokei]

Well, those questions were all excellently answered, thanks dnb. I can understand the implant being inset. Why would any intelligent being give a covert implant any chance of bulging out anyways?

I don't want to test anyone's faith here and I know it's , but if there's any way you could connect me to any one of these grays, I would appreciate it. I'm here to help as much as I can, and give all of my undying support to the grays.

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My degree isn't in English, and I misused an adjective that is commonly misused in American English BY accident. My Mensa credentials cannot be released without releasing my identity, and I'm not going to do that. And, you know it. Why don't you lay off? I type in "speaking" English, complete with my colloquialisms and American accent. I assure you that my typos are not a reflection of my intelligence, they're a reflection of the speed of my posts, nothing more.

Why don't you ask me a question that only an intelligent person could possibly answer, and I'll prove it, that way.

~dnb~