Fortress Iran is Virtually Impregnable to a Successful Invasion

reply to post by centurion1211


I dont think anyones saying we're going to invade,
I simply think they put out an article showing Irans con's, from a invaders point of view.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Finally!

Someone who is willing to read the article for what it was without trying to turn it into some kind of a pissing match. Hell, it was more of a geographical tutorial on Iran than anything. I would have picked a more apt title if I was allowed, something like Iran's unique geography poses many challenges to would be invaders.

Originally posted by kindred

WhatTheory
Good Lord, what's wrong with you? Are you deranged or something?
Plus, you are confusing arrogance with confidence. Don't worry, this is common with people who have self esteem issues.

You've got some nerve accusing me of being deranged. You're the one whose trying to justify attacking Iran, without any evidence whatsoever. Anyway thanks Lizard, you're right, I'm sick of certain individuals who obviously have no respect or tolerance for other cultures and their people. Hopefully some day, they'll grow up or they will unfortunately have to learn the hard way. You reap what you sow!!!!

Hey, when you say learn it the hard way do you mean learn it the way Europeans did?

I saw some photos of London from just 60 years ago. It was bombed into a heap. Learn like the Germans did? Like the French or the Russians or the Italians?

I see, Europeans of today want what happened to them to happen to America. Not only can't any European nation claim recent victory in War, they got #ed big time. It can be pointed out what they did to there own home and it never happened in America anywhere near that scale and I am happy to say, it never will. The Persian and Arabs want to happen in this land what has happened to them, but it won't and that's why everyone's seems so pissed off these days. You were counting on Bush, but he failed to get America destroyed.

The only thing Europeans can tell Americans about war is this: This is how to get your cities destroyed and this is how to put your women on the street and make them into prostitutes. No, America will not go down the same road the Europeans took, we'll be just fine.

Yes, We reap what we sow. And you will all find out just what that means. This is a great time in the world. I can hardly contain my laughter.

[edit on 26-7-2008 by bruxfain]

Originally posted by centurion1211
That is the subject of your thread, no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

Well now that's funny... I usually stay out of the war threads but I came here because discussion on an "Impregnable Fortress" caught my attention.

I see nothing in the OP that led me to believe we were talking about doing anything to Iran.

Originally posted by SystemiK
Someone who is willing to read the article for what it was without trying to turn it into some kind of a pissing match.

all the way to page 6 and only two of us got it? Dang.... I am glad I posted when I did...

Now when you mean 'impregnable' I assume you mean only from land based forces? I mean our boys making the big toys seem to feel nothing is 'impregnable'

But would it not depend on the type of campaign? I mean going in and picking targets one at a time at one end to total annihilation at the other? I mean we have so much stockpiled now we could wipe out all life on Earth 10 times over... not that we would...

Okay Now I will read the rest

Cmon guys !! I love how people right away think that its right to invade Iran. How long has the US been here what 200+years lol . How long has persia been around? Think about it . I also love how people think the mighty US military is so tough . Step 1 take out there air force . Step 2 well basiclly its game over for them . If they are so strong than how come Vietnam a country way smaller than Iran managed to run them out with half the weapons and technology. quite frankly i am sick of this US rant about invading people . Listen here is the truth and i know it hurts you are bankrupt and the people well... are looking like a mcdonalds fast food menu . Quit the agression learn from history .

Originally posted by Venom735
If they are so strong than how come Vietnam a country way smaller than Iran managed to run them out with half the weapons and technology.

Because we weren't allowed to throw everything we had at them

Which is my point about 'impregnable' It all depends on what you throw into the mix... if nukes were an option... well do the math...



[edit on 26-7-2008 by zorgon]

Maybe so but what would be all options ?. If you use nukes nobody wins . If you use bio/chemical well it gives your opponents the right to use theirs . So either way its lose/lose situation . Look at all the cancer rates now, hmm i wonder what its from . Go on google earth and look at the area close to area 51 . Its full of craters from nuclear tests where do you think all the radiation went . All i am saying is sometimes aggression is not the answer . And if you look at our enemy we made them 90% of the time . BTW nice avatar i just joined the site but i have ben browsing for like 6 months now go go ATS

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Iran can't even refine it's own oil and relies on imported petroleum products.

There's the Achilles' heel. Cut off the supply of fuel and they're dead in the water.

Iran is a paper tiger.

Yep. The only reason we got so many itanians rattling sabres here is cause they are scared #less were gonna do to them what we did to iraq.

reply to post by SystemiK


how about no more wars?

heh...wars are straight pointless...f@ck the NWO's plans on world domination of peoples and resources

we need NESARA
www.nesara.us...


oh and this audio sums it up on Iran imo
www.youtube.com...

You know I think it would be interesting. That when world war 3 happens and we try to nuke each other we come to find all the atomic bombs malfunction due to Aliens disabling them.

Imagine the amount of ground, sea, and air war there would be? Russia. China, U.S. Iran, Pakistan, India...etc and etc

I'd rather there be that kind of war then the war of mutually assured destruction.

Iran will be beaten but not like they did with Iraq. It will be a lot longer until they are beaten down and fully submitted by U.S. and their allies.

reply to post by kindred


Yeah the terrorists are doing well. We have killed between 1 and 3 million Arabs and they have killed what 4000 American troops. Keep dreaming.

Originally posted by Venom735
Maybe so but what would be all options ?. If you use nukes nobody wins .

Last time we used nukes... we won

Look at all the cancer rates now, hmm i wonder what its from .

Cell phones and microwaves... microwaves are all over the world.. ever put your food in a microwave oven?

Go on google earth and look at the area close to area 51 . Its full of craters from nuclear tests where do you think all the radiation went .

don't need google Earth... its only a 30 minute car ride... and all that lovely Plutonium from over 900 tests is still in the ground and will be hot for 25,000 years...

Maybe that's why Vegas is so bright at night?

But that is irrelevant...

The thread is about the lay of the land and whether logistically it is possible not whether we are planning a mass invasion...

A HYPOTHETICAL army... could they take and hold Iran... that is the point

Now I am sure the original source had it in mind that the possibility of an invasion was there... so looking at Logistics is always good strategy...

I bet the Pentagon has a game board set up too... just in case...

So without using nukes... or bio warfare... topographically speaking it could be a hard nut to crack... after all we are not getting anywhere in Afghanistan..

A friend of mines son was just dispatched there along with 3000 marines and Washington put in a call to Russia, India and China to send troupes...

Since when do we get support from China

Russia joins the war in Afghanistan :

The deterioration of the war is undoubtedly a factor behind the shift. (Incidentally, in a similar shift, Washington recently approached China and India also for the dispatch of troops to Afghanistan.) Britain's Telegraph newspaper reported last week on a growing "despair" in Washington over the NATO allies' perceived failings in Afghanistan. The gung-ho attitude - "have-gun-will-travel" - is no more there.

www.atimes.com...

BTW nice avatar i just joined the site but i have ben browsing for like 6 months now go go ATS

Thanks

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by kindred

 

Yeah the terrorists are doing well. We have killed between 1 and 3 million Arabs and they have killed what 4000 American troops.

Keep dreaming.

Don't forgot there are about 1.5bil muslims.

And Iran would destroy US in a well regulated insurgency within 1-2years.It will be similar to how the soviets got annhilated by the well armed mujis with coupla stingers and RPGs.

Originally posted by Attari


Don't forgot there are about 1.5bil muslims.

Yes, most of whom are armed with rocks and sticks. Big challenge. Lets face it, muslims, due to thier backward culture and anti-science culture, are usually relegated to trying to use weapons they couldnt have bult, against civilisations they cant equal.
If they could have attacked the Twin Towers with weapins of thier own design they would have. Instead they had to turn a machine they couldnt have produced into one.

And Iran would destroy US in a well regulated insurgency within 1-2years.It will be similar to how the soviets got annhilated by the well armed mujis with coupla stingers and RPGs.

Sure thing. Except, we armed the Afghani's. Whose going to arm the Iranians with the most advanced weapons in the world? We sure as hell wont.

bruxfain
Hey, when you say learn it the hard way do you mean learn it the way Europeans did?

I saw some photos of London from just 60 years ago. It was bombed into a heap. Learn like the Germans did? Like the French or the Russians or the Italians?

I see, Europeans of today want what happened to them to happen to America. Not only can't any European nation claim recent victory in War, they got #ed big time. It can be pointed out what they did to there own home and it never happened in America anywhere near that scale and I am happy to say, it never will. The Persian and Arabs want to happen in this land what has happened to them, but it won't and that's why everyone's seems so pissed off these days. You were counting on Bush, but he failed to get America destroyed.

YAWN!, keep peddling your ignorance. It's times like this that I sincerely wish I could teach my arse to speak. At least then I would be on a level playing field, and I might actually be able to relate to what you're saying.

It's people like you who seem to think you have the god given right, to sow death and destruction on anyone you please. Most of the time you don't even need a reason or an excuse which just about sums up your mentality. You also tend to gloat about how easily you can kill and destroy entire nations and then you have the audacity and nerve to call yourselves civilized. Most of the sane people on this thread, probably don't know whether to laugh or cry. What you do affects everyone on this planet, therefore we have every god damn right to be concerned and p***** at the same time.

One of the reasons Europeans are reluctant to wage war and instead favour diplomacy is because we have seen first hand the horrors of war, or have been told tales of these horrors by our grandparents. Being on the receiving end has taught us a valuable lesson in morality, something some of you Americans just don't get. Probably because your homeland has never been subjected to the ravages and horrors of war as our countries have. Unfortunately if you don't change your attitudes sometime soon, there's a strong chance that will change and I sincerely hope it doesn't.

What you said in regards to Bush just proves how paranoid and fearful you truly are. You'll probably find that most Europeans don't wish for the destruction of America. Quite the opposite, as I certainly don't and we just wish you would come to your senses. Hatred, begets hatred, just as war begets war and frankly we Europeans have truly grown sick and tired of those who peddle hatred, ignorance, death and destruction. Peace!!!

Shazam The Unbowed
Yep. The only reason we got so many itanians rattling sabres here is ause they are scared #less were gonna do to them what we did to iraq.

Geez another tough guy who brags about bringing death and destruction to others, but who'll nodobt be cowering under his computer desk if and when war does break out. Some of you yanks crack me up.

TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Yeah the terrorists are doing well. We have killed between 1 and 3 million Arabs and they have killed what 4000 American troops. Keep dreaming.

Another American who places immeasurable value on the life of a human being. Can't you just feel the love. Only 4000 Americans. To anyone whose sane, that's 4000 too many and I also bet their families don't see it that way. Only, pffftt.



[edit on 27-7-2008 by kindred]

siiiiiiiighhh

The above article says it all ....

Russian, Chinese, Indian troops...

It was always about the US "loosing" The oil pipeline is to be built across the mideast to assure China and India can continue to stabalize the world economy via their numbers...

We go in the bad guys... bust them up bad, leave defeated

Just like the soviets did in Eastern Europe...

and then the Enemy willingly accepts occupation by the other side... Just like Eastern Europe begs for admission into the EU and Nato...

Plan was for China India and Russia to take the Oil out of islamic hands all along...

You can't hold a nation by force...they have to willingly join your cause...

Read my post on the UN security council and stop bickering about America... we are hired guns guys, so were the Russians... he Picture is bigger than all of this...

Russia didn't loose afghanastan, we didn't loose Vietnam... it's all set up by both sides to achieve a rsult, don't be so naive your whole lives

Why is it that some of the more stupid posts are put on here by Americans, yet its these guys who claim the muslims are backwards?


Does anyone else see this?

I'm not claiming all Americans are stupid, far from it, many Americans are clever, decent people, who wish peace and goodwill to other people.

But a handful on this site (and this thread) are just plain morons, with no basic grasp of religion, history, geography or any sense of human morality.

Some of them are even happy that only 4000 US troops have died when compared to however many have died in Iraq/Afghan.

For christs sake, life is not a video game. You cannot just bomb the sh*t out of other countries and expect no payback, you cannot claim to be the best in the world, you cannot accuse older, wiser countries of being forever in America's pocket.

Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Iran can't even refine it's own oil and relies on imported petroleum products.

There's the Achilles' heel. Cut off the supply of fuel and they're dead in the water.

Iran is a paper tiger.

What so Militias need fuel do they? Insurgents need to drink 5 cups of oil everyday to survive?
Guerrilla fighters don't run on fuel.

Lol... laughable logic at best. We're talking about asymmetrical warfare here.

That they may cripple Iran's tanks and planes, but their huge militias and the other resistance movements that would arise wouldn't give a damn if you cut off the flow of oil.

That would only help in the short-term.

As for the "Paper Tiger" remark that's funny, the world's second largest army, one of the most sophisticated, disciplined forces and they still cannot overcome an Insurgency that numbers in the ten's of thousands at the most.

The US has put one foot into quicksand here and nobody's throwing any life lines.
Putting the second foot in via Iran, is such a horrible move strategically, politically, globally; it just beggars belief anyone here could actually support it.
You actually want 3 Vietnams instead of 2?

Open your eyes.

The only reason we got so many itanians rattling sabres here is cause they are scared #less were gonna do to them what we did to iraq.

Right we're against war, therefore we're the enemy.
The old Republican mindset.

I'm not Iranian, I seriously doubt anyone on this thread is.

This kinda of bs attitude is exactly why America has become so politically polarised to the point the two spectrum view each other as enemies.

Thanks for spreading more misconceptions.

Yes, most of whom are armed with rocks and sticks. Big challenge. Lets face it, muslims, due to thier backward culture and anti-science culture, are usually relegated to trying to use weapons they couldnt have bult, against civilisations they cant equal.

Wow those must be some pretty sharp sticks those Insurgents in Iraq are wielding if they've managed to kill 4,000 servicemen.

Lol.. "Backward culture"?
This may burst your bubble here, but modern Science, medicine, physics and astronomy all started in the Middle East.
Muslims pioneered those fields while Europe was in the Dark Ages:

Avicenna
Al-Biruni
Omar Khayyam
Averroes
Ibn Tufail
Al-Ghazali
Ibn Al-Nafis
Al-Tusi

The concepts of the number Zero, Botany, quarantine, Neurosurgery, Anthropology, Kinetics, decimals, the Arabic numeral system, heliocentric calenders, Dissection, Autopsy, Orbits, metabolism, pulsation, anatomy, the circulatory system, were all invented by Muslims.

So much for "anti-science" ey?

Whose going to arm the Iranians with the most advanced weapons in the world? We sure as hell wont.

Actually you did. Let me refresh your stale memory:

* August 20, 1984. 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
* September 14, 1984. 408 more TOWs
* November 24, 1984. 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
* February 17, 1986. 500 TOWs
* February 27, 1986. 500 TOWs
* May 24, 1986. 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
* August 4, 1986. More Hawk spares
* October 28, 1986. 500 TOWs

query.nytimes.com...

You sold to the Iranians even when they were your enemies in the 1980's.

And it wasn't just a few thousand rocket launchers either.
How the hell do you think the Iranian Airforce got its hands on F-14's?
Or Cobra Gunships?
Or Hueys?
Or F-4's?

You guys threw weapons and cash at them like there was no tomorrow.

Besides, it's not like they need much American help, the Russians & Chinese have got that covered:

Russia has agreed to sell more than $1 billion worth of missiles and other defense systems to Iran

www.foxnews.com...
www.worldnetdaily.com...

Russia plans to sell 250 advanced long-range Sukhoi-30 fighter jets to Iran in an unprecedented billion-dollar deal.

www.jpost.com...

Iran has signed a contract with China for the delivery of two squadrons (24) of its J-10 fighter planes, which are powered by Russian engines and avionics.

www.defenseindustrydaily.com...

America ain't the only one that can play "Proxy Wars" kiddo.

reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

We have killed between 1 and 3 million Arabs and they have killed what 4000 American troops.

Correction. Civilians.

Killed 1 million civilians. The actual insurgent deathtoll wouldn't be anywhere close to that.

More than 19,000 militants have been killed in fighting with coalition forces since the insurgency began more than four years ago, according to military statistics released for the first time.

www.usatoday.com...

Just because a guy has a turban on his head, a beard and a Quran doesn't make him a 100% certifiable Al-Qaeda member.

Mmm shocking I know. Get your head out of the sand.



[edit on 27/7/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed

Originally posted by Attari

Yes, most of whom are armed with rocks and sticks. Big challenge. Lets face it, muslims, due to thier backward culture and anti-science culture, are usually relegated to trying to use weapons they couldnt have bult, against civilisations they cant equal.

Pakistan has over 100 nuke warheads.

Just one of those bumers in wrong hands and that will be RIP US troops.

Sure thing. Except, we armed the Afghani's. Whose going to arm the Iranians with the most advanced weapons in the world? We sure as hell wont.

Iran doesn't need arming.Its got good enough weapons to arm the insurgents very well.I hope you haven't forgoten hezbollah,they punished IDF and destroyed sh#t loda tanks.The only things the insurgents need are descent anti-tank rockets and a few stingers and that will be the end of US troops.Iran has got plenty of that with Russia backing em up with plenty supplies.