Fortress Iran is Virtually Impregnable to a Successful Invasion

Funny how Persians all over the net keep making the same bull# threads about how the mountains & the high population is going to save them ...blahh blahh..


You think the US government officials are going to read it & change their mind ?

Centurion, so if and when Iran is attacked what then, do you think the Iranians will just say oh well thats it we give in. If you think that you are sadly mistaken. Iraq is bleeding the US dry and it will be like a picnic compared to Iran. I dont know why some American and others think you can take actions like these and think nothing will happen afterwards.

Why should Iran not have nuke power, even if it did make a weapon(s) Iran has not attacked any country for hundreds of years. What they are concerned about is a Zionist backed USA attacking their country and rightly so. On the one hand you have that Idiot Bush and the other parasites around him telling everyone Iran is a threat and then you have Americans here saying the US has the biggest armed forces and can take anyone on so whats the problem.

This whole issue is about Israel and nothing else so why does the US get involved. Israel has hundreds of nukes and gets billions every year from the US in handouts to support its armed forces so why does America get involved, is it beacuse its controlled by certain people who want to wage war in the ME on the behalf of Israel.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Iran has not attacked any country for hundreds of years.

Of course they have. They do it via proxy. They support numerous terror groups by providing arms, money and men including the one's in Iraq killing U.S. soldiers and allied forces.

Quite possibly because Israel has the USA at its call, anybody who challenges Israel is automatically an enemy of America and therefore an enemy of liberty and democracy and freedoms and all that rubbish.

Whenever Iran suggests it will defend itself from Israel, then Iran are automatically labelled as 'terrorists that should be bombed'...

It's pathetic.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Iran has not attacked any country for hundreds of years.

Of course they have. They do it via proxy. They support numerous terror groups by providing arms, money and men including the one's in Iraq killing U.S. soldiers and allied forces.

C'mon man... your CIA is respnsible for funding Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden etc.

That's an IGNORANT arguement. You can do better than that friend.

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The us and co have also been in development of two types of naturally derived air-borne hallucinogens to be used against a populace.

One type causes severe apathy and lethargic movements that would simply cause anyone exposed to it to become semi paralyzed and not able to defend themselfs intelligently. All motor skills and critical thinking abilities would be severely hindered causing a mass stupor.

The other is geared towards activating the primal fear instincts in the human body, incapacitating utter terror that would cause even the most hardened tough guy into a quivering pile, rendering him or her unable to follow orders or act in accordance with any threat.

No one would have time to defend against it because there would be no declaration no warning no loud sheiks of planes and bombs going off, only people acting strangely for no apparent reason. And by the time any official in that country witnessed what was going on and figured it out it would simply be to late.

They would concentrate the bulk of the hallucinogen's in key military areas and simultaneously sabotage communications capabilities thus causing a mass confusion. Then it would be a matter of crossing all boarders em mass and landing huge amounts of troops.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
C'mon man... your CIA is respnsible for funding Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden etc.

That's an IGNORANT arguement. You can do better than that friend.

What the CIA may or may not have done is irrelevant to this point.

A poster attempted to make a point by saying that little old Iran is a innocent little baby and does not stick it's nose into any type of war.

My point is that they do via proxy by supporting numerous terror groups. This is true and a fact. If Iran wants to play these games then I don't want to hear it when they get slapped down. If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. If you are going to play with the big dogs, don't complain when you get bit.

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it would a death blow to the US economy if USA attacked Iran , with oil supplies crippled , the US economy will be in chaos , and potential of martial law in USA becomes high

According to the latest data from the U.S. Department of Energy, the United States is importing 12-14 million barrels of oil per day. At a current price of about $115 per barrel, that's $1.5 billion per day, or $548 billion per year. This represents the single largest contribution to America's balance-of-payments deficit, and is a leading cause for the dollar's ongoing drop in value. If oil prices rise any higher -- in response, perhaps, to a new crisis in the Middle East (as might be occasioned by U.S. air strikes on Iran) -- our annual import bill could quickly approach three-quarters of a trillion dollars or more per year.
www.countercurrents.org...

USA economy will collapse ,if it invades Iran

US` economy is in terrible debt , and its army is stretched across two fronts ...


Comptroller General David Walker has warned that USA is going the way of Rome


it seems like conspiracy of US govt to bankrupt itself

USA is unnecessarily dragging itself into useless wars ..

As a result of your addiction imported oil, USA have become a different country, weaker and less prosperous ,in potential recession. Whether we know it or not, the energy Berlin Wall has already fallen and the United States is an ex-superpower-in-the-making.



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Its interesting that people quote Sun Tzu to prove a point without ever reading the book.

The absolute worst military strategy is to invade a distant country for no economic, military or political gain. This is specifically stated in the Art of War many times. PLease read the book before using it to intepret the Iraqi War. The Art of War refutes this action as unwinnable, and incredibly inept.

What the Idiot President Bush has done is place the US into a untenable position. There is no way out EXCEPT to either invade Iran or to leave Iraq with their tails tucked between their legs and suffer complete humiliation on the world stage. WW2 was won in less than 5 years, what we are doing in the Middle East is pitifull....This nation has allowed itself to be led over a cliff.

The Iraqi invasion has critically damaged the Financial sector. Iran would make it Fatal. Persions are not stupid, they would not take the USA head on, it would be a war of terror on scale not seen before. Iran would take losses, sure. The USA would be hit on its homeland, that is the differnece. Iraq was never in position to hit the USA back. Iran Can, and Will.
When americans are killed in the same manner that Iraqis have been, and possibly Iranians will be, then maybe america will awaken from its incredibly deep stupor and realize how stupid it has been.

President Bush is an absolute disaster, will be remembered as one of the most dim witted world leaders to ever hold office. Defending his record is nonsense, the landscape speaks for itself.

I certainly wouldn't "misunderestimate" them if I were a general..


en.wikipedia.org...

These forces total about 545,000 active personnel (not including the Police Force).[2] All branches of armed forces fall under the command of General Headquarters of Armed Forces (ستاد کل نیروهای مسلح). The Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics is responsible for planning logistics and funding of the armed forces and is not involved in in-the-field military operational command.

* The Iranian Military consists of the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The regular armed forces have an estimated 420,000 personnel: the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, 350,000 personnel; the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, 18,000 personnel; and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, 52,000 airmen.[3]

* The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, or Revolutionary Guards, has an estimated 125,000 personnel in five branches: Its own Navy, Air Force, and Ground Forces; and the Quds Force (Special Forces).[4]

* The Basij is a paramilitary volunteer force controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards. Its membership is a matter of controversy. Iranian sources claim a membership of 12.6 million, including women, of which perhaps 3 million are combat capable. There are a claimed 2,500 battalions of which some are full-time personnel.[5] Globalsecurity.org quotes a 2005 study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies estimating 90,000 active-duty full-time uniformed members, 300,000 reservists, and a total of 1 million men that can be mobilized if need be. [6]

Iran's military was called the Middle East's most powerful by General John Abizaid chief of United States Central Command (U.S. forces' commander in the region). He did not count the Israel Defense Forces, because it does not fall in his area of operations. [7]

Iran can't even refine it's own oil and relies on imported petroleum products.

There's the Achilles' heel. Cut off the supply of fuel and they're dead in the water.

Iran is a paper tiger.

Originally posted by Hallberg Rassy
WW2 was won in less than 5 years

The U.S. still has troops in Germany and Japan. Once the official war was over, the U.S. remained in Germany to this day in order to establish a government there.

Iraq was won it a week. We are currently trying to get their government established.

The USA would be hit on its homeland, that is the differnece. Iraq was never in position to hit the USA back. Iran Can, and Will.

Wait, this is impossible!
All you libroids always mention that Iran is no threat and cannot possibly harm America on it's soil. So which is it?

Exactly bro. Its sickening to continue to see the posts about land invasion and ground occupation and that hasnt even been in the discussion!! The current debate with Iran is with its nuclear program. Nobody is going for regime change and a ground invasion.

Its all these kids on here who know nothing about war except for what they've seen in Iraq and they have no idea there are all sorts of military type action that can be taken without having to put boot on ground.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Geez, for hopefully the last time anyone needs to explain this to the iranophiles around here ....

Nobody is going to invade iran!

That doesn't mean iran won't be attacked by bombs and missiles if they continue to act belligerant and thumb their noses at everyone else in the world. But no one - except maybe the russians who still desire a warm water, blue ocean port - wants to invade or otherwise occupy iran.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

My point is that they do via proxy by supporting numerous terror groups. This is true and a fact. If Iran wants to play these games then I don't want to hear it when they get slapped down. If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. If you are going to play with the big dogs, don't complain when you get bit.

Good advice, just a pity that forces on your side of the flag don't realise it, otherwise there'd be a whole lot less war talk on here.

Sad but true.

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excellent post manson, you deserve a star for it

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The flaw in your logic is that the U.S. only gets 40% of it's oil from the middle east. We will survive, no problem. Iran will be the one to actually suffer since they cannot even refine their own oil. If war does happen, the U.S. will stop all shipment of refined oil to Iran and they will collapse very quickly since they will have no fuel.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Exactly bro. Its sickening to continue to see the posts about land invasion and ground occupation and that hasnt even been in the discussion!! The current debate with Iran is with its nuclear program. Nobody is going for regime change regime change and a ground invasion.

Its all these kids on here who know nothing about war except for what they've seen in Iraq and they have no idea there are all sorts of military type action that can be taken without having to put boot on ground.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Geez, for hopefully the last time anyone needs to explain this to the iranophiles around here ....

Nobody is going to invade iran!

That doesn't mean iran won't be attacked by bombs and missiles if they continue to act belligerant and thumb their noses at everyone else in the world. But no one - except maybe the russians who still desire a warm water, blue ocean port - wants to invade or otherwise occupy iran.

Sooo...bush didnt give around $400 million dollars to try and install regime change in Iran?

Its obvious once the dust settled, the US and whoever else goes along for the ride this time would be on top

But then it would just be EXACTLY the same as in iraq but WORSE..

It beggers belief that anyone seriously believes american troops can count on the support of an occupied muslim population after the horrors they have unleashed by balkanizing iraq either by incompetence or design.

Sure the suitcases full of dollar bills will buy them a few friends, doubtless with their own agenda.

But after they start bombing the hospitals, schools and holy sites, when the collateral damage mounts up i.e. women and babies slaughtered in the streets. Any sympathies within the civilian populace will turn to hatred and resistance. Just like iraq.

Come on now, no american seriously still sees their armed forces as a "liberating force" ?? Where have you been for the last 10 years? I thought this was ATS not Fox news

How many times will I have to repeat this...Iran has already been invaded!! The current regime will probably collapse next month, at the very latest in October before our elections.

I guess nobody can see this because they don't pay attention to mainstream news.

We're already preparing a diplomatic mission to the country to manage our interests after the new regime comes to power.

Are you all blind?

7/18/2008 - The US plans to establish a diplomatic presence in Tehran for the first time in 30 years as part of a remarkable turnaround in policy by President George Bush.

The Guardian has learned that an announcement will be made in the next month to establish a US interests section - a halfway house to setting up a full embassy. The move will see US diplomats stationed in the country.

I am not sure what the purpose of this thread is, but you are way behind the times. Things are changing in ways many of you would probably rather ignore.



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It would be nice if true, but how does the plan to establish a embassy in Iran equal the downfall of the Irianian government. I don't see the link.


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