“Focus on the family” groups

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Oh, thank God. Now why didn't you answer the rest of my earlier post?

Anyway, just because they are a Christian group doesn't mean their agenda is bad. People see the word "Christian" affiliated with a group and freak out. I think, which I find rather obvious, is that FOTF is trying to instill morals in today's youth. Morality in our youth is little to none.

There is nothing wrong with getting a bunch of people and putting pressure on an organization to change. I don't really see what your beef is to begin with.


edit: clarity

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reply to post by anotherdad


Well if it was up to me there would be no education system.

I dont agree with anybody controlling it.

I think people should choose to learn what they want to learn not have it forced open them.

reply to post by alkali


Perhaps the morals they are trying to impose dont match the personal beliefs of people these days?

Thats one of the biggest problems with religion, they think everyone shares their moral code.

Fact is, most dont.

reply to post by alkali


Now why didn't you answer the rest of my earlier post?

Because I didn't think once I saw your first few sentences that you bothered to read through the thread where I clarified several times my position and why I dislike and think FOTF are hypocrites. I never said they were wrong.

For the third time: They are forcing people to do as they wish, while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

They are hypocrites, going back on their own mentality that it should be your right, not the government or theirs to say what you do with yourself or family.


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im done with this. even i cant deny ignorance like that. having facts thrown in your face and ignoring them. well frankly my dear i don't give a damn

reply to post by slackerwire


Not if done lagally, again its called freedom!

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by alkali

 

Perhaps the morals they are trying to impose dont match the personal beliefs of people these days?

Thats one of the biggest problems with religion, they think everyone shares their moral code.

Fact is, most dont.

You maybe totally right, but the groups who disagree with FOTF have every right to try to change the system as well. The group with the most people wins. I think that's fair.

reply to post by 5ealchris


I would agree and wish i had the time to do it. Again Freedom! If someone wants an uneducated kid thats there right.

Originally posted by alkali

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by alkali

 

Perhaps the morals they are trying to impose dont match the personal beliefs of people these days?

Thats one of the biggest problems with religion, they think everyone shares their moral code.

Fact is, most dont.

You maybe totally right, but the groups who disagree with FOTF have every right to try to change the system as well. The group with the most people wins. I think that's fair.

I'm not sure I get your logic, so slavery we all know was horrid. Do you think if the majority wanted it again that that would automatically be fair?

reply to post by slackerwire


Then theres alot of liers.

www.religioustolerance.org...

when did the minority become the majority?

For the third time: They are forcing people to do as they wish, while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Forcing people to do as they wish?

while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish?

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Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by slackerwire

 

Then theres alot of liers.

www.religioustolerance.org...

when did the minority become the majority?

"The proportion of the [American] population that can be classified as Christian has declined from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001."


I love that site and referance it often. It shows how Christianity has been on a steady decline and I think another area shows how Islam is on the rise, or that could be another site they link to or cite sources from.


81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific


Yes but not everyone with those religions share the same values, many Christians do not agree with and oppose FOTF.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by alkali

 

For the third time: They are forcing people to do as they wish, while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

I don't think they are hypocritical at all. FOTF represents the people who align themselves with the organization. Those people want to be able to teach their kids their own personal values at home. Since most people who align themselves with FOTF are conservative, you can conclude that those people will teach their kids conservative values.

FOTF are advocates for the conservative cause. They attempt to censor TV because they are a conservative group. They advocate parents teaching their kids at home because the school system generally is not conservative and the parents who align themselves are conservative. They are serving a conservative agenda. I don't know why this is hard to understand or thought of as hypocrisy.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

I'm not sure I get your logic, so slavery we all know was horrid. Do you think if the majority wanted it again that that would automatically be fair?

Do you know of any groups who hold a majority that agree with slavery? Or any other terrible cause for that matter?

Originally posted by Swingarm

For the third time: They are forcing people to do as they wish, while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

Forcing people to do as they wish?

while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish

The FOTF is forcing people to do as the FOTF wishes

Fixed. Thank you for bring it to my attention.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Yes but with christianity on the downslide in the US remember a couple things.
1. Muslim migration, they hate us yet come here.
2. almost a direct curve with our youth today and morales. i.e. teen pregnancy

reply to post by alkali


My post a couple of spots up seems to be a bit redundant. It's late. Sorry.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


How are they forceing,? again

Originally posted by alkali

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

I'm not sure I get your logic, so slavery we all know was horrid. Do you think if the majority wanted it again that that would automatically be fair?

Do you know of any groups who hold a majority that agree with slavery? Or any other terrible cause for that matter?

Could you answer my post instead of side stepping it please?

They advocate parents teaching their kids at home because the school system generally is not conservative

They also advocate people teaching their children or censoring their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

This is hypocrisy and we can disagree, clearly neither of us sees why the other has formed their view point.

Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

How are they forceing,? again

I've posted this reply to you twice when you asked this question. Go back to that reply and reply to me with a counter argument because I don't think you even addressed that post.

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