“Focus on the family” groups

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Can you please give some examples of them being 'nutjobs?'
(Is that your favorite word?)
Is anyone with a supernatural belief a 'nutjob?'
Or, is it just Christians with you?

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
I agree with your other points, which makes me think either you are ill informed about FOTF or just naive about them.

give me 1 example of FOTF using "force".

You don't think that FOTF making petitions, gathering protestors, and threatening boycotts from church goers (speaking arrogantly for all church goers) on TV shows and the country Canada itself in order to have content they deem inappropriate taken off the air is censorship or force? These stations are not doing what FOTF wishes, they are made to do it because FOTF puts these actions into motion when they refuse. What do you call that if not force? Did you look at my links?

I read up to this post in the thread then came to the conclusion that you're off your rocker. Do you seriously think that if an organization deems something inappropriate they should not be able to voice that belief? Are you not familiar with organizations like CAIR, Greenpeace, or Code Pink? Should we shut those down as well? I'm all for getting rid of the incredibly stupid morons who make up Code Pink. I assume, judging from your point of view, that you agree with me.

By telling FOTF they are not allowed to voice opinions, gather protestors, or boycott, you're actually doing the same thing that you so very much disagree with. You're censoring FOTF.

You must not be familiar with the idea of freedom of speech or any such thing.

I assume your beef with FOTF if the whole idea of instilling decent values into our children. Are you seriously arguing that it's all right for children to view nudity, hear nasty language and things such as that on TV? Yeah, that's a great idea.

If you haven't noticed, the morality in the US really sucks since liberalism became the new fad. Maybe you should subscribe to FOTF's mailing list.

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your making random comments that have nothing to do with the topic, just stating you hate christians. I am talking about FOTF.

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I am opposed to any and all religions.

Nutjobs:

They support "abstinence" which is directly opposed to nature. They suggest people suppress the natural instinct to have sex because it goes against their little mythical book called the bible.

They support charging pornographers with obscenity, and they believe porn to be harmful. Statistics prove otherwise.

They support multiple forms of censorship on tv and radio.

Need I go on?

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[SNIP] Try researching their actions with the FCC.


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Teach reading, writing and math. Leave the rest to me. Not trying to control it just tone it down. Teach fact not opinion. when it comes to social issues, thats my job. if others do it poorly dont make me and my family pay the price.

Yes. Some mastery in these subjects would be nice.

The real agenda is, indoctrination into mindless little repeaters that tolerate everything. Then when your at business college you don't learn about the fraction reserve banking scam. Colleges are infiltrated by communist lesbians selling their twisted message. At least this is the case in Manitoba Canada.

Uncle Sam Wants YOU Gay (Your Children Too)
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
March 16, 2007


By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

I've said this before but it's more true than ever. A satanic cult (Illuminism) is undermining our family identity to render us isolated, childless, sex-obsessed, dysfunctional, and docile.
I am referring to the Masonic Rothschild-Rockefeller cult-cartel which runs Europe and America and is behind Communism and Feminism. Destroying marriage and family was a plank of the Communist Manifesto (1848) and now is part of their satanic NWO. (See quotations at end.)

We don't recognize that society is being re-engineered gay because we think of homosexuality in terms of same-sex attraction. If we redefine it as inability to bond with a member of the opposite sex for purposes of procreation, the gay trend is clear. (I am not blaming gays; I am talking about a developmental disorder that is being spread throughout society.)
The American marriage rate has dropped almost 50% since 1970. Thirty seven percent of American children do not live with both biological parents, the highest percentage among Western nations, compared to 9% in 1965. Almost forty per cent were born out of wedlock in 2005 compared to 8% in 1965.
Only one-in-four households now consist of married couples with children half the 1960 level.
"The United States has the weakest families in the Western world because we have the highest divorce rate and the highest rate of solo parenting," says Rutgers Sociology Professor David Popenoe.
A defining characteristic of homosexuality is sexual promiscuity. Since media induced "sexual liberation," society has become obsessed with sex and all human relations have been degraded to this level. (See my "Playboy and the (Homo) Sexual Revolution.")

Now the educational system is actually promoting sex to children. In Winnipeg where I live, a father complained last week that a public health teacher told his 12-year-old daughter's class to have sex at age 13. They were taught about flavored condoms and shown graphic pictures that appalled the children.

This action exposes the public school system for what it has become: an instrument of indoctrination and corruption (and child abuse.) With 13-year-olds being told to have sex, is it any wonder they are inviting adult predators to their homes? (See "NBC Dateline: To Catch a Predator") How long will it be before pedophilia is legalized?
Another school program run by the Red Cross teaches ten-year-olds what to expect when they begin dating, i.e. how to recognize when they are being terrorized and abused. They are taught about "the cycle of abuse." I kid you not.

A strong marriage is the foundation of a family. Girls today will reach marital age feeling jaded and abused, and may already have a child. Compare this to 50-years-ago when sex was consecrated for marriage, love and family.

Schools are actually teaching children to adopt the gay lifestyle and experiment with gay sex. Courts are upholding the right of schools to debauch children over their parents' objections.
Marriage has been redefined to include gays despite the fact that only ten percent avail themselves of the privilege. Let's say that generously four percent of the population is gay. (Ten percent of that is .4% )
To extend "equal rights" to .4% of the population, they redefined the most sacred institution of 99.6%. Apparently "human rights" and "hate" are applied selectively in the NWO.
Gays and straights are not identical. Their marriages are also very different. So why is the marital status identical? Tolerance and equal "human rights" are a ruse to destroy marriage by extending homosexual gender confusion to heterosexuals.
Gay activists admit as much: "A [strategy] might be to fight for same sex marriage and its benefits, and then, once granted, redefine the institution completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution." -- Michelangelo Signorile, "Bridal Wave," OUT Magazine, December/January 1994, p.161

The other structural change is allowing gay couples to adopt heterosexual children. Heterosexual children need heterosexual role models. Raising them in a gay environment is child abuse. When these children are adults, I hope they will sue governments for millions .
The ultimate goal is to redefine the family so potentially it could include government minders raising test tube babies in group homes. The agenda is to destroy all "forces of collective strength," in the words of "The Protocols of Zion." That includes the family, as well as nation, religion and race.

As I have said before, I am in favor of a separate but equal marital institution for homosexuals. I have nothing against gays who lead responsible private lives. My beef is with Rockefeller-funded activists who use homosexuality to sabotage society in advance of totalitarian government.
These activists admit they want to change the "hetero-normative" nature of society. Is 96% of society going to march to the beat of 4%, like it did in the USSR?
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Note: "Useful idiots"
Modern Western "civilization" is based on a conspiracy against God. The "Enlightenment" refers to the rebel angel Lucifer, the "light bringer", who represents rejection of spiritual and natural laws in favor of human "reason." In practice, "reason" is whatever the rich and powerful want rationalized.
Generally speaking, the rich don't provide an audience unless you advance their program, as "human rights advocate" or "sex ed instructor" or some other "useful idiot" like the following:
"Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism." - Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10
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"A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised." - Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806
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"Destroy the family and you destroy society." -- V.I. Lenin
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"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. ...Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. ...Families have supported oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join together to fight for common interests." -- Linda Gordon, Function of the Family, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969
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"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them." -- Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman

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reply to post by alkali


Do you seriously think that if an organization deems something inappropriate they should not be able to voice that belief?

Nope, never once said that, I was pointing out the hypocrisy in this group and how their message conflicts. Never once said they didn't have a right to that message.

The pressure from FotF and similar groups to push abstinence-only sex education in schools has led to a RISE in teen pregnancy - some would extend that to a rise in teen abortions and STDs.

Kids are not being taught what the real world is like. They are taught to live behind a shield that is not really there.

Just one example of a study explaining this:
scienceblogs.com...

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I would like to be the 1st to wish slackwire a happy 12th birthday.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I'm assuming you're liberal. Do you agree with Code Pink and the hypocrisy they exhibit constantly? Just curious.

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huh?

reply to post by anotherdad


Dont say that too loud, some Christian guy might get all excited.

Seriously, try again dude.

Originally posted by alkali
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

I'm assuming you're liberal. Do you agree with Code Pink and the hypocrisy they exhibit constantly? Just curious.

Don't pay much attention to that group, personally they aren't my cup of tea. And they aren't the most educated of war protestors.

No, I'm a registered Independant.

Originally posted by alkali
I read up to this post in the thread then came to the conclusion that you're off your rocker. Do you seriously think that if an organization deems something inappropriate they should not be able to voice that belief? Are you not familiar with organizations like CAIR, Greenpeace, or Code Pink? Should we shut those down as well? I'm all for getting rid of the incredibly stupid morons who make up Code Pink. I assume, judging from your point of view, that you agree with me.

By telling FOTF they are not allowed to voice opinions, gather protestors, or boycott, you're actually doing the same thing that you so very much disagree with. You're censoring FOTF.

You must not be familiar with the idea of freedom of speech or any such thing.

I assume your beef with FOTF if the whole idea of instilling decent values into our children. Are you seriously arguing that it's all right for children to view nudity, hear nasty language and things such as that on TV? Yeah, that's a great idea.

If you haven't noticed, the morality in the US really sucks since liberalism became the new fad. Maybe you should subscribe to FOTF's mailing list.

you are my golden ticket. please explain to her because she doesn't seem to understand. hidden agendas are everywhere live with it. stop complaining

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Here's a good reply on the 'abstinence doesn't work' site;

Ed-

There are some major problems with your post:

1) This story was about the release of the 2007 Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance data by the CDC, neither of them were mentioned by you in your abstinence-bashing opinion. The Washington Post, like yourself, took this release of data and immediately interpreted (while interviewing a biased anti-abstinence "expert" like John Santelli) as further proof of the failure of abstinence-education. This, however, is irresponsible journalism and junk science, to say the least.

It's very typical of the liberal elite to say that when sexual activity decreases and condom use increases, abstinence-education had no part. But when we see the trends leveling off, the blame is immediately placed on ab-ed. Further, there are so many variables that go into these numbers, that it is impossible to say that one form of education is to blame or not to blame. Santelli should know this, and so should you.

2) Strong Federal Support for abstinence-education didn't begin in 2001, it began around 1996 with the Federal Welfare Reform law, which authorized Title V. It was only in 2000 that another funding stream began, which is what Santelli is referring to. However, this seems to also be missing.

3) The programs that you and Santelli support actually encourage kids to have sex, rather than teaching them the reasons they should abstain. Further, a recent analysis of so called "successful comprehensive sex programs" found that only one out of dozens of these programs actually succeeded in their intended purpose, which most often is to see consistent and correct condom use. Only one of these programs actually worked. One.

4) More and more longitudinal studies are showing that abstinence education works. Do your research and you'll find them. Let's not just cherry pick from the liberal talking points. That's lazy.

Originally posted by evanmontegarde
The pressure from FotF and similar groups to push abstinence-only sex education in schools has led to a RISE in teen pregnancy - some would extend that to a rise in teen abortions and STDs.

Kids are not being taught what the real world is like. They are taught to live behind a shield that is not really there.

Just one example of a study explaining this:
scienceblogs.com...

I'm curious since your post has factual evidence in it if it will be ignored. I'm not taking a side on this issue but often when research and evidence comes into play the Christian right wing take on sexual education is hard to defend.

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SO then FOTF shouldnt have a problem if someone had a hidden agenda to destroy their little group right?

Teach reading, writing and math. Leave the rest to me. Not trying to control it just tone it down. Teach fact not opinion. when it comes to social issues, thats my job. if others do it poorly dont make me and my family pay the price.

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Sorry, I did'nt include your quote

reply to post by evanmontegarde


Ya, teaching not to have sex is creating a rise in pregnancy in teens. It's clearly a middle and upper middle class issue. not a kids without parent issue. waiting for the gov. and my taxes to raise them, then say they did it wrong now i pay for them and there 5 kids.

Take your blinders off, sex became OK, then teen pregnancy OK, abortions OK, then alot of pregnant teens.

Does anyone know a rocket scientists phone number maybe he can figure the problem out.