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a reply to: vethumanbeing
Well, followers of Hermeticism can claim their books were authored by Trismegistus, but most of the existing texts today date to 1st through the 3rd Centuries AD.

No theory at all as is included in my initial statement.

You discussing the origins of Freemasonry is an unproven theory.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: vethumanbeing

KsigMason: Well, followers of Hermeticism can claim their books were authored by Trismegistus, but most of the existing texts today date to 1st through the 3rd Centuries AD.

You are leaving out the Egyptian quantity; much older. No theory at all as is included in my initial statement. Hermes is Hermes and created the Hermetic teachings.

KSigMason: You discussing the origins of Freemasonry is an unproven theory.

As well as yours exists in a similar fantastical realm. THIS IS WHY IT IS SECRET [the knowledge] kept from you.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
You've proven yourself to be a troll here. Go away.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: vethumanbeing
You've proven yourself to be a troll here. Go away.

I am no troll; I am a 'Jobs Daughter' (Scottish Rite) and have every reason to express myself here in this forum; unless the female component is/was excluded in the "Ask A Mason" preamble (NOT).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: vethumanbeing
You've proven yourself to be a troll here. Go away.

I am no troll; I am a 'Jobs Daughter' (Scottish Rite) and have every reason to express myself here in this forum; unless the female component is/was excluded in the "Ask A Mason" preamble (NOT).

but you arent a mason, are you?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: vethumanbeing

KSigMason: You've proven yourself to be a troll here. Go away.

VHB:I am no troll; I am a 'Jobs Daughter' (Scottish Rite) and have every reason to express myself here in this forum; unless the female component is/was excluded in the "Ask A Mason" preamble (NOT).

TzarChasm; but you arent a mason, are you?

No; just a female adjutant/equivalent to the male format. There is a better expression beholding to the same tenants of the Egyptian Quabala or Hermes traditions; to be a Rosicrucian if of a female of the male Masonic Bent Form is greater as those male tenants are (corrupt). Free masonry is a boys club now and has nothing to do with spirituality or the path of Job (ones individual enlightenment). I doubt Masons even understand Job at all and his path and the connection they are to have with his journey.

a reply to: KSigMason

Trolls will always troll on ATS, especially when it comes to Freemasonry.

originally posted by: bushidomason
a reply to: KSigMason

Trolls will always troll on ATS, especially when it comes to Freemasonry.

Your point? "Read the thread" (replies) those that may contribute/or have an answer to your question before you spray a bird shot answer.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Free masonry is a boys club now and has nothing to do with spirituality

Ok, that is your opinion and you are giving a "birdshot answer". Freemasonry is very spiritual and has become a tool for my own spiritual path towards gnosis or self-enlightenment. Those with the eyes to see and the ears to hear, will. I've gained much wisdom and spiritual growth through my now almost 10 years as being a Freemason. From when I was a Demolay to Worshipful Master of my lodge to being a side-liner in a degree, I have gained glimpses of truth and light that are ineffable. Spirituality is a personal thing and each man or woman comes to by his/her own means. To say that Freemasonry is not spiritual is just false.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: vethumanbeing
You've proven yourself to be a troll here. Go away.
I am no troll; I am a 'Jobs Daughter' (Scottish Rite) and have every reason to express myself here in this forum; unless the female component is/was excluded in the "Ask A Mason" preamble (NOT).

TzarChasm: but you arent a mason, are you?

I am the glue between the bricks Masons cut and stack; called MORTAR if used (can weep at times depending upon your preference to the pain of existence and what you wish to endure).

a reply to: bushidomason

I congratulate you. You realize many of your compadres say the opposite (how easy it is to gain degrees without any effort)? Have you read the totality of this thread; some contributors stating in fact there is no spiritual component to the degrees received (just a handshake) welcome to the brotherhood.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

True that you can obtain a 32 degree title in one day, but that still does not mean that you cannot find meaningful information or research on your own afterwards? I recently completed the Master Craftsman program that the Scottish Rite provides to members and was able to find many meaningful things their to my own beliefs and ideas. No one can make you search for your own truth, that is something you must do. Freemasonry does what it does perfectly. All the tools and knowledge are there for those who wish to view or see them. I have not seen or been part of a single degree that is not spiritual in some form. Some brothers don't come to lodge for the spiritual aspects of the Craft but that doesn't mean that it is not there.

originally posted by: bushidomason
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Bushidomason: True that you can obtain a 32 degree title in one day,

How does that happen (YOU; LAZY) and not to the tenants; these for the original were HARD SOUGHT and gained with peer approval.

bushidomason: but that still does not mean that you cannot find meaningful information or research on your own afterwards?

No; as you cheated Job and its teachings (you cannot invent these to suit yourself). You can claim individual spiritualism; (FORM) what is yours? Mine was Mennonite/Henry the 8th's idea of the reformation of the Catholic version of Christianity; The Anglican Church. Your new version of the Masonic Lodge does not have/retain any resemblance to that existing from 1307 Templar Knights to present times. You have no time line to connect the two.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
Job's Daughters and the Scottish Rite are two different groups; being one doesn't make you another. You're not a Mason and you're making wild, and unsubstantiated, statements.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
I doubt Masons even understand Job at all and his path and the connection they are to have with his journey.

That's your assumption.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
I've never said Freemasonry isn't spiritual.

You're also (mis)associating time with effort. Many of the groups I'm in take a great deal of both time and effort.

a reply to: KSigMason
No assumption. I know my truths; and with that spiritually or force of knowing IAM do no have to defend myself to you or anyone else other than God/Geometry as my Witness (the ALL seeing) the ONE which I am attached to throughout history.

Thread Title Is "Ask A Mason!"

Can ATSian Mason Tell Me What To Ask....????

i have a question for any masons still attending this thread, as a matter of curiosity.

by what philosophical and/or logical basis does the freemasonry institute hold its opinion that theological inclinations reflect stable moral grounding? and lack of theological inclinations reflect the opposite?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Masonry as no official opinion on just about everything, including your question. That really should be addressed to each individual Mason you meet as they may all have differing points of view on particular subjects.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
i have a question for any masons still attending this thread, as a matter of curiosity.
by what philosophical and/or logical basis does the freemasonry institute hold its opinion that theological inclinations reflect stable moral grounding? and lack of theological inclinations reflect the opposite?

What does this tell you; as bushidomason said: "one can get 32 degrees on a handshake deal in one night at the lodge/temple" without actually carrying out physically/spiritually what each degree requires. It took my Scottish Grandfather (a mining engineer for Phelps Dodge) 24 years to do this; not quite one per year. He was given the honorary 33rd because he actually earned it.

originally posted by: Pinocchio
Thread Title Is "Ask A Mason!"

Can ATSian Mason Tell Me What To Ask....????

Obviously you already KNOW/nose