Facts Mormons WON'T Tell You...

Originally posted by furiousracer313
The Mormons believe that, the Bible is incomplete. So they added like 2 more texts, which are false. Did u know Joseph Smith was apart of the Illuminati?? I bet u didnt.

Joesph Smith was not an Illuminati, he was a Mason. I hate when people don't do their homework.

The church doesn't not believe the Bible is incomplete. The Book of Mormon is "another" testement of Jesus Christ. Where are you getting your info... offline?

Originally posted by Zaimless

Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by furiousracer313


You do know their Bible is different right?

They use the King James bible.

You are so totally blinded by your own narrow minded prejudice.

No they use the Book of Mormon..

Ok, wake up and smell the roses. Did you read my post? I was baptized by the Morman Church, they consider me a member, and I real the King James Version. Geeze... get a life...

Ok look ur like 10 years old, ur still young, and can easily be influenced by many things. Whether good or bad.. Watch the videos, and then get back to me...

Originally posted by furiousracer313
reply to post by eye open doors

 

Maybe this can prove my point... Mormon people are not evil, but they are just confused, and don't know what they're getting themselves into...

Mormon Freemason video

Mormon Satan Worship

Mormon Baal Worship

I am not even going to look at those sites. I would like for to say in your own words.

reply to post by eye open doors


Well im not done watching the videos yest, but il tell u wut i know from those videos so far. Mormon is tied into Freemasonry, and is another form of worshiping the devil. The Mormon Church, i dont remember where it is, is full of these Freemason or Egyptian symbols. They also have really weird rituals like the Freemason religion. Joseph Smith was obsessed with being rich, and haveing many women. He always carried a talismen with him. Mormons believe that on the day of judgement Jesus, God, and Joseph will judge people. They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, which is false.

reply to post by furiousracer313


Maybe it would behoove you to ask the source, instead of listening to people who fear them.

Originally posted by furiousracer313
reply to post by eye open doors

 

Well im not done watching the videos yest, but il tell u wut i know from those videos so far. Mormon is tied into Freemasonry, and is another form of worshiping the devil. The Mormon Church, i dont remember where it is, is full of these Freemason or Egyptian symbols. They also have really weird rituals like the Freemason religion. Joseph Smith was obsessed with being rich, and haveing many women. He always carried a talismen with him. Mormons believe that on the day of judgement Jesus, God, and Joseph will judge people. They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, which is false.

Ok can I go into a fit yet>>> LOL Listen I am not going to defend the whole thing ok. But the info you have is so messed up. And the way you present it is not good. Ok, listen, what the heck do you think and cross is? You know, the kind you where for a necklace? It's a talisman... holy cow...
And if you look and think logically. God created Jesus and Lucifer before Jesus ever had a body, and before there was an earth. Being as the maker is the Father, you sure could call them brothers. Lucifer wasn't a bad guy until he turned against God. so why does that bother you so?

Oh, and Joesph Smith was a man. Last time I check men make mistake. I don't believe for one second that he had many women. I know the history to well.

Send me more, cause heck you need to learn.

There will be a interview with the Mormons this week coming up in the podcast. Keep an eye open for it...
Zaim

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Ok little girl let me explain this to you. A cross is NOT a talisman. Joseph Smith had a talisman in his pocket. It was an circular Egyptian talisman, that had weird writings on it, and it was said that if you wear this, you would get money, power, and women. If you watched the videos i recently posted, you'd know. I suggest you watch them.

Jesus and Lucifer are NOT brothers. That makes no sense what so ever. Lucifer was one of the most beautiful angels God had. His job was to PROTECT the throne of God. If they were brothers, Jesus wouldn't have said he was the ONLY son of God.

Joseph may have been man, but, he did have many women. He even thought of himself as higher than Jesus. And Jesus lived a PERFECT, SINLESS life.


So why done you go watch the videos then get back to me.

reply to post by furiousracer313


Sheesh! Haven't you guys been reading the other forum boards?

Jesus was an alien hybrid, it is part of the Illuminati scheme, since they are really reptilians who control everything from deep underground bases all over our planet, even though the 'grays' and the 'lights' are in an uneasy truce, the Reptoids have all the power on Earth...

Did this just about sum it up for y'all???

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by furiousracer313

 

Sheesh! Haven't you guys been reading the other forum boards?

Jesus was an alien hybrid, it is part of the Illuminati scheme, since they are really reptilians who control everything from deep underground bases all over our planet, even though the 'grays' and the 'lights' are in an uneasy truce, the Reptoids have all the power on Earth...

Did this just about sum it up for y'all???

I've herd this before, your an idiot for believing it...

reply to post by furiousracer313


Didn't say I believed it....and not an idiot for mentioning it, thank you very much!!!

I just think, it's an interesting concept to consider. For instance, WHY is Mankind so religious??

Yes, before science, Man looked at the skies and imagined. Man saw lightning, and heard thunder....and wondered....

A system of some sort of 'theology' tried to explain things, in a way that could be understood by the common man.

Problem is, once you begin to 'teach' to another, you start to gain some control over that other. AND, 'control' is a very powerful drug......

Think of it this way....a true 'teacher' wishes to impart knowledge, with no hidden agenda, except to see the student learn.

BUT, when you wish to excerise control over those less powerful than you, you can 'pretend' to be a teacher....and further your agenda.

Just substitute the word 'teacher' with "preacher", or "reverend"...or, and this will break some hearts....."father"...(as in a Catholic 'father')

I mean, think about it.....WHY does the Catholic Church refer to their Priests as 'father'????

EDIT for poor spelling......

Yup, I know, lots of baloney to explain.....I've heard it all, so explain away!!!

hint: please don't bring the trinity inot it, it is old, and over-used.....



[edit on 7/7/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by furiousracer313
reply to post by Zaimless

 

Ok little girl l

I am not little, I am just about 6 foot tall, which guessing make me bigger than most... and probably you too...

et me explain this to you. A cross is NOT a talisman

the definition from www.dictionary.com of a talisman is as follows:
2. any amulet or charm.
3. anything whose presence exercises a remarkable or powerful influence on human feelings or actions.
I think the cross qualifies.

Joseph Smith had a talisman in his pocket. It was an circular Egyptian talisman, that had weird writings on it, and it was said that if you wear this, you would get money, power, and women. If you watched the videos i recently posted, you'd know. I suggest you watch them.

You were there? Did you see his little charm?

Jesus wouldn't have said he was the ONLY son of God.

The only son of God? Whats that make you then? Are you one of his children? Are you one of his sons? Oh and again I reiterate, Jesus said he was Gods son, not God.

Joseph may have been man, but, he did have many women. He even thought of himself as higher than Jesus. And Jesus lived a PERFECT, SINLESS life.

Hey lots of men have lots of women. Men in high places do this all the time, we see it in the papers. Hey and if Jesus was perfect, then what was his purpose in getting baptized? Jesus was a human you know. And never ever ever did Joseph Smith think he was higher than Jesus.


Maybe you should go to www.mormon.org and do some real research.

I went to Salt Lake City and saw the Temple, with the Angel holding a trumpet.
I went to the visitor's center and checked out all the info they had to offer.
I read the book of Mormon.
I had a guy I worked with who was some kind of bishop, or something.
An angel told me that the angel, Moroni would blow on his trumpet, on a certain day.
I talked to the Mormon Missionaries and tried to find out what it meant.
They were told by their supervisor not to talk to me any more.
I think they put my house on an off-limits list.
I used to go and listen to Dr. Bronner, the man who made Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap.www.drbronner.com...
I had a lot of respect for the man and he had a lot of good things to say about Mormons.
He said they had a good work ethic.
Jesus said if the people did not acknowledge him, the very stones would cry out.
If all we do is sit on our collective ass, someone has to go out and do the work.
If you are not going door to door preaching the Gospel, you have no right to criticize the Mormons.


[edit on 7-7-2008 by jmdewey60]

reply to post by Zaimless


Did u see the videos?? Apparently NOT... Go watch them...

I've seen the vids... and I watched the movies, have you seen the movies? I am actually quite surprised how easy it is for people to convince you to judge other people though. Cause where I come from we don't do that. I have to say I feel sorry for you though, cause apparently you have been taught that it is okay to tell people they are lost because they don't believe as you do.

I want you to think about something for a minute. What makes you sure yours is the right bible, right religion, or right anything? Is it cause someone told you it was right? Is it cause the Bible told you it has all the answers? Cause I have news for you, every single religion, and every single bible believe they are right. Is it because you had a hightened experience, or did Jesus show up at your door and hand you his copy?

The thing is this, lets use plain ole Satanists for a minute here, you know those who worship Satan, right? OK so they do, and they have a bible and a church and all that. They believe they are right. Who are we, you or I or any to say that they don't have a right to believe what they want. Last time I checked, according to the Declaration of Independence or something like that, there is a thing called religious freedom.

Please don't come back and say you are trying to save souls, cause I already stated that I believe only God and Jesus can save souls, you can't and neither can I. I can't even show you the whole way cause everyone has a one to one with God. God is a personal issue, not just religious. I am not going to tell you, that is YOU, that you are wrong. What I am saying, or trying to get across to you is, why are you so crazy about the Mormons?

What about the Jehovah Witnesses, or Muslims, or Catholics, or Hindi, or Seventh Day Adventist? All of these and more do not believe in what you believe in, does that mean they are all lost and going to hell? I don't believe that, and I won't believe that, and Jesus didn't teach that either.

To date, I do not agree with all the Mormons teach. But I have never had one treat me badly, I have never heard one speak about any other religion badly. In fact they have gone out of their way to help me at some times. And I for one am grateful that I have quite a few friends that are Mormon. They are family oriented, have excellent work ethics, and their morals are very very high. And for that I respect them.



Zaim

Originally posted by Zaimless


Please don't come back and say you are trying to save souls, cause I already stated that I believe only God and Jesus can save souls, you can't and neither can I. I can't even show you the whole way cause everyone has a one to one with God. God is a personal issue, not just religious. I am not going to tell you, that is YOU, that you are wrong. What I am saying, or trying to get across to you is, why are you so crazy about the Mormons?
What about the Jehovah Witnesses, or Muslims, or Catholics, or Hindi, or Seventh Day Adventist? All of these and more do not believe in what you believe in, does that mean they are all lost and going to hell? I don't believe that, and I won't believe that, and Jesus didn't teach that either.

I actually did with the Muslims, I didn't get to the others yet, because i wanted to finish with this post. And you say Jesus and God can only save souls?? You are correct, but they wont appear to everyone in the world for that. So they use strong believers in what is right, God has opened my eyes, because 5 months ago, i wasn't a REAL Christian, like i am now. I have to say REAL, because everyone in America Thinks they are Christian. And if everyone doesnt accept Jesus as their Savior, then they are going to hell, as Jesus said. He said he is the only way.

To date, I do not agree with all the Mormons teach. But I have never had one treat me badly, I have never heard one speak about any other religion badly. In fact they have gone out of their way to help me at some times. And I for one am grateful that I have quite a few friends that are Mormon. They are family oriented, have excellent work ethics, and their morals are very very high. And for that I respect them.

I never said they were bad people, i said that alot of their beliefs are wrong. I believe they are good people, one of my friends is Mormon. He isn't a bad guy. But he and many others need to know the truth, and the way.

Originally posted by furiousracer313
They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, which is false.

You're correct. Lucifer and Jesus weren't brothers. Lucifer is another name for Jesus. They're the same guy.
www.jesus-is-lord.com...
wiki.answers.com...
www.lds-mormon.com...

Hey look, even more hate-mongering tripe cluttering up the internet. Yay!

Furiousracer313, face it: all you're doing is revealing just how poor your knowledge of religion altogether is. Nothing you've said about the LDS religion is particularly note-worthy. Why? Because lo and behold: it's a religion, with all the intricate history and custom that goes along with it. "It is not Christianity." What a joke. What is your standard for Christianity? Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Angelican? Of today or of two hundred years ago? Five hundred years ago? What about the first Christians a couple thousand years ago? (Even then, which group of "original" Christians? We humans are fond of letting our ideas divide us, even from the get-go. And how do you cut out the obvious influences from traditional Roman religions at the time? Hellenistic influences? Before or after the First Council of Nicaea?) Those reconstructionist religions of today that try to mimic those earliest ones are limited by interpretation and time.

You sound like a grumpy, unsatisfied individual that got your evening porn session interrupted by the doorbell ringing, at which -- oh no! -- some suited up Mormon boys were hoping to read to you from a book. Here's a solution: Go buy a puppy. Let it lick your face off. Take a break from the hate spiel. 'Cause you know what? We have enough of that in the world. People blowing each other up how you should pray or just what the relationship between Jesus and God was or heaven forbid, which version of the Bible or other religious text you read... Get a life, go hug a Mormon, watch some cartoons. Get off the internet. Please.

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Creating change and helping other is good. But if they don't accept Jesus as their savior, they won't go to heaven, no matter who and how many they have helped.

Responses like the above quote are bigoted and undermine your entire attempt at "saving" someone. You're basically saying "I'm right, you're wrong. But if you believe I'm right, you'll go to Heaven!" Do you honestly think someone is going to look at this post and not get pissed off?

Mormons, from my experience, generally are extremely helpful, caring and accepting because they're raised that way. And it is my belief that they have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. I know a Mormon girl who is the absolute definition of an angel. Her family has adopted children from underdeveloped and developing countries. I can't even begin to describe how pleasant she is to be around, and I know for a fact she will go very, very far in life. I don't think there is anyone more deserving to go to Heaven than her.

And for you to cast all her good deeds aside and say "She doesn't believe the same thing I believe, so she's going to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity" is absolutely moronic.

Get a life, go hug a Mormon, watch some cartoons. Get off the internet. Please.

^ This

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Originally posted by Paresthesia

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Creating change and helping other is good. But if they don't accept Jesus as their savior, they won't go to heaven, no matter who and how many they have helped.

Responses like the above quote are bigoted and undermine your entire attempt at "saving" someone. You're basically saying "I'm right, you're wrong. But if you believe I'm right, you'll go to Heaven!" Do you honestly think someone is going to look at this post and not get pissed off?

Absolutely. Its this type of arrogance and posturing that Jesus was addressing with the Pharisees.

The vindictive nature and presentation by teaching christians from a fire and brimstone pulpit overshadows the Love of Christ and presents the whip.

It takes a light burden which Jesus taught and turns it into one of self righteousness and hinders others seeking the path.

Therefore, for anyone seeking to hinder the path to Christ, remember his words:

"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."

Love one another is the way, and just as we guide our children gently in the correct ways of life, so we must do unto our brother and sisters.

Peace


[edit on 30-7-2008 by HIFIGUY]

reply to post by furiousracer313


Ok,speaking as a Mormon....

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe your Church is wrong, your Christian creeds are abomination to God, and you pastor or Priest is a hireling of Satan.

Every church tells others they're wrong and,as we see ourselves also as Christians we don't see Christian creeds as abominations.All Christian church's must have some truth in them coz the teach from the Bible!

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that there is salvation only in their church&emdash;all others are wrong.

Again,every other church does this.Doesn't make it right,but it happens.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that those who have been through their temples are wearing secret underwear to protect themselves from "evil". This "evil" includes non- Mormons like you.

There is no secret about this,and the reason for wearing it is as a symbol of the armor of God.The temple garments bear several simple marks of orientation toward the gospel principles of obedience,truth,life,and discipleship in Christ.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that women receive salvation only through their Mormon husbands,and must remain pregnant for all eternity.

But we will tell you that this "salvation" hasn't been practised in the church for well over a 100yrs.And,pregnant for all eternity,i don't think so mate!

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they intend to be gods themselves some day, and are helping to earn their exaltation to godhood by talking to you.

Yes we will tell you this,its even in the lessons missionaries teach.Spreading the word is just one of the many ways of achieving this.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they intend to have many wives in heaven, carrying on multiple sex relations throughout eternity,until they have enough children to populate their own earth,so they can be "Heavenly Father" over their own planet!

Apart from the multiple wives bit (which is a lie) we will tell you this.And,as we'll be Gods,we can create life outta nothing,we don't need to have constant sex.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that you were once a spirit-child of their heavenly father,and one of his numerous wives before you were born on earth.

Again,we will tell you this,but we'll point out the fact that there is only one Heavenly Mother.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the Virgin Mary really wasn't a virgin at all but had sex relations with their heavenly father to produce the Mormon version of Jesus Christ

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the "heavenly father" they ask you to pray to with them,is really an exalted man that lives on a planet near the star base Kolob, and is not the Heavenly Father of the Bible at all.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that Jesus was really Lucifer's brother in the spirit world, and it was only due to a "heavenly council" vote that Jesus became our redeemer instead of Satan!!

Er,i think we will.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe Jesus had at least three wives and children while he was on this earth.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that that they encourage visitations from dead relatives from the "spirit world", a practice forbidden in the Bible.

Never heard this before so can't comment.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the reason the Book of Mormon has no maps is because there is not one scrap of archaeological evidence to support it!

Sure there is.
www.jefflindsay.com...

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the state of Utah, which is predominately Mormon, has a higher than the national average of wife-beating, child abuse, and teenage suicide.

Not putting the blame just on them,but there are still a lot of fundamentalist Mormons in the state and they still practice polygamy and the see women as nothing but an object.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their prophet Joseph Smith was heavily involved in the occult when he founded Mormonism.

Very likely as the occult has nothing to so with the devil or the dark arts but everything to do with seeking truth and hidden knowledge.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that there are many accounts of Joseph Smith's first vision besides he one they present to you, and all are different

No 2 stories are ever exactly the same.
www.jefflindsay.com...

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that for years they considered the Negro race inferior, and even one drop of Negro blood prevented a person from entering their temple.

Its true,some will deny this,but not me.
Although i see this attitude as an effect from society.Blacks were looked down on by many people for too many years.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they expect Christ to return to their temple in Missouri,but they haven't built the temple He's supposed to return to, because they don't own the property. (It is owned by the "Temple Lot Mormons" who have plans o of their own,and won't let the Salt Lake City group buy it).

We will.The land in Independence,Missouri is owned by The Church of Christ.

Although the church planned to build a temple on the site in the early 20th century,and even excavated a foundation,efforts were abandoned during the economic woes of the Great Depression and due to a schism which resulted in the establishment of the Church of Christ with the Elijah Message.Today,the Church of Christ has no plans to construct a temple of its own. Instead, the church believes it is the steward of the location until the various sects of the Latter Day Saint movement re-unite into a single organization before the Second Coming of Jesus.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they consider the Bible to be untrustworthy and full of errors.

Hey,your right,we won't tell you this...because its bulls**t!
The Bible is our number 1 scripture,it even comes before the Book of Mormon,fancy that!

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that Jesus' death on the cross only partially saves the believer.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe the Archangel Michael came down to earth with several of his celestial wives, and became Adam in the garden of Eden.

We make no secret of this.(though i can't say i believe the 2nd quote.)

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that on their Salt Lake City Temple they prominently display an upside-down star which is a Satanic symbol known as the Goat's head.. Why?

Or this.
In fact,all the upper windows of the Salt Lake Temple have Pentagrams on them.Its a symbol that is 1000's of years old and is a symbol of the planet Venus and the 5 senses.(among others)

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their Prophet Joseph Smith prophesied falsely many times. For example, he foretold the second coming of Christ for 1891. The Bible teaches that one false prophecy puts a prophet under death sentence. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

What he actually said,

...and it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh--even fifty-six years should wind up the scene

www.shields-research.org...

Note,he says should,not would.

MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their Prophet Joseph Smith did not die as a martyr as they claim, but was killed during a gun battle in which he himself killed two men and wounded a third.

We will!!
A a martyr indicates a person who is killed for maintaining his or her religious belief, knowing that this will almost certainly result in imminent death.