Are middle easterns good people overall? Or true terrorists?

I believe many Muslims are not terrorists.I do think they have been brainwashed to think a certain way about certain types of people namely those of Christian and Jewish faiths though.Christianity has taken whithering fire from atheists over the last 10 years and most of it is uncalled for.Atheists have become what they feared most,a religion unto itself.
Im sure some of you have heard of Anonymous'"war" against the Church of Scientology?Thats discrimination against someones beliefs.If theres any wrongdoing by COS then the law enforment will handle it not some rogue group of internet vigilantes.Their motto we never forgive was a red flag to me.Forgivness is a human trait that cannot be ignored or hostility and resentment festers.
A group A.R.M or American Resistance Movement seems to battle for a noble cause or unfair taxation however their symbol is much like the White Power symbol of neo-nazis.
Not everyone is a terrorist but they do have certain traits that you can spot when you look closely and think objectively.

John Mccain 08!

Anyone who claims to be a follower of the Islamic faith should not be considered a "good person." Their religion commands them to kill and terrorize anyone who does not submit to Islam.

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Since I am American and not well-traveled I felt the need to respond.

Hi solarstorm- I see you live near me. And you touched on something I was going to say... I have a very good friend who is of Palestinian descent and is Greek Orthordox, which is a Christian religion. He was born and raised here in America, and his "values" are the same as mine. His ex is Chaldean (also a Christian sect, from the Middle East), and her family is from Iraq, but moved here decades ago. She is a very cool girl.

We need to stop lumping people into categories- while most people in the Middle East are Muslim, not all of them are, and far fewer of them are radical Muslims. There is a large population of Jews in Iran who have lived there with no problem for a long time. And I am sure someone has already said this, but Iranians are not Arab- they are Persian. They speak Farsi, not Arabic.

I would say that most people the world over are good people- they want the best for their families and want to live happy lives. So no, I do not fear Muslims or Islam. I do fear the radical Muslim movement, and I not a fan of Sharia law, but that movement is a very small percentage of people compared to the number of peace-loving Muslims world wide. And I don't fear radical Muslims anymore than I fear hardcore Christians who will bomb a Planned Parenthood because they are pro-life.

I would not, of course, go walking around in the Middle East without knowing where I was and if it was a safe area. But I also would not go walking around parts of Central and South America either- Colombia has the highest rate of kidnappings each year, and that is a predominantly Catholic country. There are plenty of bad areas in major cities here in America I would also be afraid to be alone in, and seeing as my ex-boyfriend is black and I am white there are still parts of the Deep South that I would not have wanted us to be driving through and have our car break down in.

Originally posted by PullThePin
Anyone who claims to be a follower of the Islamic faith should not be considered a "good person." Their religion commands them to kill and terrorize anyone who does not submit to Islam.

Nonsense!

Whatever gave you the idea that such a 'commandment' was in the Koran?

Originally posted by jedimiller
Here in the United States most people hate middle eastern people now.

I don't believe this is true. Do you have any poll information to prove your statement?

People from Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afganistan. The idea that they are the worst and most evil race on the planet. Do you think this is an american point of view or is it the same around the world.

I don't believe this is an American point of view, I believe it's only the point of view of fearmongers and racists.

Personally, I fear Muslims & Islam.

Sometimes we fear what we don't understand.

They scare the heck outta me and I'd hate to be lost and trapped in a Muslim country.

Why? Which country are you referring to?

Still, don't you think that many of these people are just misundestood? I was watching Rebel without a cause the other day, with Dean. He's the outcast, outlaw and overall guy around the block, but he's actually a pretty good guy, just misunderstood due to his beliefs and religions.

I think they're just like everyone else. Trying to get by, make a living, enjoy their family and friends and want an overall good and peaceful life.

So the questions to Americans, do you fear fellow middle eastern looking people and try to avoid them?

NOPE.

or do you treat them the same as everyone else.

YES.

Note that this is not a racist thread, just an eye opener for american society. I know that after 911 everyone has hating on muslims and such, so I wonder if it still holds true today.

Not for me nor anyone I know. That would be like hating all black people because 1 black person robbed you.

As a people, do middle easterns want to be good people or prefer to be warriors and fight over land and power?

You mean like the rest of the planet??????

Originally posted by PullThePin
Anyone who claims to be a follower of the Islamic faith should not be considered a "good person." Their religion commands them to kill and terrorize anyone who does not submit to Islam.

Just where do you get this absurd information? FOX? CNN? Your milk carton?

What you are - some neocon troll working the hate up for the next war?

Threads like this should not be allowed on ATS imho. What is the point of airing mindless, ignorant racism such as on this thread?

Duncan

Originally posted by Maya432
when 911 happened , I bought it Hook Line and Sinker...
I hated Muslims after that.... I admit it...

It was not until the summer 2004 that I took the red pill and WOKE UP.
the very first thing that started my new journey into the truth
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Originally posted by jedimiller
well, my brother in law drives a cab. he's an iranian. he told me that he's afraid of crossing to mexico and going to the airport because he's been treated like a terrorist.

He may be treated like a terrorist by the Bush administration but not by the people of the United States. There's a big difference.

he has told me personally, that people don't like him anymore because of the way he looks.

Sorry to hear that. There's always some ignorant people that ruin it for the rest.

I'm in california, and maybe it's different here in the US than other places. but the overrall feel I get from talking to middle easterns is that they are not liked anymore. that everyone is against them.

I live in Michigan in an area of one of the largest middle eastern populations in the US and it's just not like that here. people are judged on their actions and not their looks.

but the question is, are they natural born fighters or really good people. because i've seen kids from iran holding guns when they are 7. cutting heads off, sleeping with 9 year old and the whole islam laws are scary to americans. I just want to know if any of you feel the same or am I just seeing red?

Those things have happened in many other countries around the world.

Originally posted by nexusmagazine

Originally posted by PullThePin
Anyone who claims to be a follower of the Islamic faith should not be considered a "good person." Their religion commands them to kill and terrorize anyone who does not submit to Islam.

Just where do you get this absurd information? FOX? CNN? Your milk carton?

What you are - some neocon troll working the hate up for the next war?

Threads like this should not be allowed on ATS imho. What is the point of airing mindless, ignorant racism such as on this thread?

Duncan

It comes from the Koran itself. Heres just a few samplings:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Sharia law is also ridiculous and there is no respect for women in Muslim countries.

Edit: Heres more:

* Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
* Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
* When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
* Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
* Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
* The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
* Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
* The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
* Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)
* Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
* The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
* Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
* Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
* Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)


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If that is true, then how did Christians and Jews live peacefully side by side with Muslims for hundreds of years in places like Jerusalem, Turkey, and Spain? Yes, Islam has conquered, but so has Christianity. Interestingly, it is Christianity that is generally perceived by historians as being the most brutal of the two.

Here is something to think about:

www.harunyahya.com...

The Caliph Omar entered Jerusalem mounted on a white camel, escorted by the magistrate of the city, the Greek Patriarch Sophronius. The Caliph asked to be taken immediately to the Temple Mount and there he knelt in prayer on the spot where his friend Mohammed had made his Night Journey. The Patriarch watched in horror: this, he thought, must be the Abomination of Desolation that the Prophet Daniel had foretold would enter the Temple; this must be Antichrist who would herald the Last Days.

Next Omar asked to see the Christian shrines and, while he was in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the time for Muslim prayer came round. Courteously the Patriarch invited him to pray where he was, but Omar as courteously refused. If he knelt to pray in the church, he explained, the Muslims would want to commemorate the event by erecting a mosque there, and that would mean that they would have to demolish the Holy Sepulchre.

Instead Omar went to pray at a little distance from the church, and, sure enough, directly opposite the Holy Sepulchre there is still a small mosque dedicated to the Caliph Omar.

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I've mulling over whether to post on this thread since it first came up early this morning.
But the damn thing keeps coming back up to the top of the "recent post" page, and every time I see the title and say nothing I loose a little piece of my soul.
So here it goes:

What Middle Eastern people are you talking about?
Do you mean muslims, and if you do, do you include African muslims, South East Asian muslims, American muslims?
Do you mean Arabs, and if you do, do you include Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians, Egyptians, French/Algerians? What about "pieds noirs" who are Algerian Jews?
Do you mean the Middle East as in the region of the Middle East, and if you do, how do you feel about Persians, Persian Jews, Syrian Jews, Maronite Christians, Coptic Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Parsis, Bahá'ís who all reside there?

So you're scared of many many people.

The only thing that scares me, is you!

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Dude I was going to list about 200 biblical idiocies that can, if taken as a list like your vile compilation, point out that such tripe can be said of all religious literature.

But then I realized, why bother? You obviously have an agenda all your own.

Christianity is the New Testament. "Love Each Other" is the commandment of Jesus Christ. Jesus never gave a single command to kill or cripple people. You cannot say the same for Muhammad.

Sorry but it's the truth. Why does everyone jump to defend such an obviously violent religion?

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Your opening sentance is a pretty broad and sweeping comment that I hope and am pretty sure is all wrong. I know you don't speak for me. I don't hate Middle Eastern people at all. I feel bad for them. I think most have been misled by their leaders. Sounds a lot like the politicians here in the US.

You can't blanket an entire race and religion by the actions of a few groups that are in the minority. It's like saying because some Christian extremist blows up an abortion clinic than all Christians are evil and crazy.

Originally posted by PullThePin
Christianity is the New Testament. "Love Each Other" is the commandment of Jesus Christ. Jesus never gave a single command to kill or cripple people. You cannot say the same for Muhammad.

Sorry but it's the truth. Why does everyone jump to defend such an obviously violent religion?

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Can you please quote where in the koran it says that its ok to kill people?


Elevated One,

People curse all the time, some start rude topics(like this one), spew nothing but hate yet you penalize me a 1000 pts for being a little sarcastic. Honestly I am getting tired of all this war mongering and religious bigotry!

Good day sir.

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I am with you about not wanting to suddenly find myself in a middle eastern country. I would be scared to death. I do not understand the language or the culture.

Having said that from reading up on their history and literature they are not barbarians nor are they unintelligent as some people want westerners to believe. I just read an article about a 700,000 year old city uncovered. It could be the reason some of them treat us like animals is because many of us only recently became human while many them have been human for a long time. They are militantly protective of their secrets.

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My my my,

What a generalising statement....

and just proves to me how so many people have been brainwashed since 9/11...

I am a 26 year old white english guy... a few years ago I backpacked around India with my then girlfriend... I found myself alone in a predominately muslim area totally on my own...

and guess what, not one of them tried to behead me, bomb me or in any way try to harm me.

But they made quite a lovely drink of chai, the children were the loveliest little smiling things I had ever seen, the adults were very welcoming and happy people and they didn't even bat an eyelid at me walking around their neighbourhood...

So a quick message to the OP, pull your head out of the sand and realise that the world has existed far longer than 9/11 and will continue to do so...

The world will be filled with blacks, asians, americans, latino's, europeans, australians, jamaicans, africans, indians,etc etc....

Buddists, christians, muslims, sikhs, jains, jews, atheists, agnostics, mormons have been living side by side for years....

Disagreements will take place, but on a whole we will survive.

PLEASE try and lose your fears as they are wholly unfounded.

My suggestion to the OP. Stop reading whatever peice of crap newspaper it is you usually buy, turn off your television and if you can, try and save up enough money to leave america and realise that a huge and beautiful world exists outside your cosy reality.

I suggest visiting India as it will be a big wake up call to you, it will teach you patience, trust, love and respect...

You biggest threat is your own media, that you brazenly absorb unconsciously, you create your own fears and you suffer as a result.

people are people no matter what colour skin they have, no matter what they believe.... people are people...

It would be like me saying I'm never going to visit america cos i might get shot by some spoilt middle class white kid with a chip on his shoulder, or accosted by some crack head or abducted by some freaky right wing cult or hunted by a delusional texan with a gun bigger than his ego.

I'm not going to insult the OP because at least he has the rocks to admit his own fears and post a thread about it...

BUT please stop worrying about the rest of the world and start worrying about your own government... They are theone's who are spreading the fear.

One love and world peace

mr - L

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