Are middle easterns good people overall? Or true terrorists?

reply to post by Sonya610



Actually I have met very few m.e. muslim women, mostly just all men. The few I have met, that were brought over as brides, seemed very distant and not at all interested in becoming friendly with an American woman, which is not all that strange to me, considering the culture shock for them. But I can attest to the fact that they practice discrimination in a big way over here. Go into any muslim-owned or operated business and see if you find anyone other than a muslim working there.

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reply to post by Bombeni


Well actually I do not know many muslim owned businesses, the one that comes to mind, a small cafe (but it served pork so they were obviously not very strict) did have a christian iranian working there, a christian asian lady, and various hispanics (none of which were muslim).

Now I would expect small businesses owned by strict Muslims probably would prefer hiring other Muslims (but i doubt if they would discriminate against white American Muslims).

Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by Bombeni

 

Well actually I do not know many muslim owned businesses, the one that comes to mind, a small cafe (but it served pork so they were obviously not very strict) did have a christian iranian working there, a christian asian lady, and various hispanics (none of which were muslim).

Now I would expect small businesses owned by strict Muslims probably would prefer hiring other Muslims (but i doubt if they would discriminate against white American Muslims).

Muslims operate two businesses for me. I have had to lean on them very hard to hire someone other than muslim; I feel that if they are serving all races, that all races should be included in the staff. It didn't matter if it was plumbing, electrical, or whatever, inevitably they found a musl;im to do it. They came to this country for equal opportunity but didn't seem eager to practice the same principles.

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reply to post by Bombeni


It wasn't turkey bacon. But if they only hire muslims that does not equate to racial discrimination, plus they often do feel teh need to support their brothers and sisters and will hire a Muslim before a non-believer. I do not think it is about race to them, it is about religion.

There just isn't a point in trying to point out every single ignorant or uninformed statement, every generalization, every hatred, every lack of tolerance, every hypocrisy and every double standard expressed on this thread.
I venture to say that in many muslim nations and cultures the same character flaws are also present. Hence they feel about Americans exactly the same way through their own lack of understanding. This thread has done nothing but confirm their suspicions.
This thread is but a microcosm of why we are at war.

reply to post by Sonya610


Yes, but it is not a very good idea to have brothers and sisters working together at someone else's business, no matter what the race. It creates too much temptation.

reply to post by jedimiller


Are you for real?

*bangs head on desk*

I don't know of a single person who hates middle easterners.
If you do, then you must live in a hornets nest.

I have several middle eastern coworkers, I have folks from Pakistan watch my baby.

I have always found them the most polite, respectful, grounded people I have ever met.Who are very grateful and happy to be here.

They are open to talking about anything.

(honestly, a little too polite, I am afraid of offending them, lol)

I love middle eastern music. If I could, I would visit there, because the art is supposed to be spectacular.

The food isn't bad either.

reply to post by jedimiller


so jedimiller, i bet i scare you, HA?...BOO! im coming after you!

seriously, arabs can be nice too sometimes just catch us in the right mood, OKAY!

basically i dont know how to answer this but here goes: we are people too like you, some of us are crazy no doubt, some are pretty pissed off, many are funny, many are kind, most would like to have an interesting conversation with an American. so please no more generalizations, because that scares me too.

reply to post by DuneKnight



Are you Islamic?

reply to post by Bombeni


Creates too much temptation for what? Stealing? Having affairs? What on earth are you worrying about?

reply to post by Sonya610


Stealing of course. 10 or 12 times a day using the "no-sale" key can break a business.

I'm not to educated about Middle Eastern culture, but where I live we have everyone from every country. Some people from other countries come here and treat Natural Born Citizens real rudely like we owe them some thing, where they should be acting grateful to us. Not Middle Eastern people, they are very respectful and overall seem appreciative to be in a much better country.

I love women with long black hair and I've caught myself eyeing some of the women that are wearing a parkas. One was so sweet she even gave me a nice flurtatious smile. My heart almost exploded! Sorry for the pun...

That's all I know about them!

reply to post by Bombeni


Good points. The idea of the US going into places with wealth and infrastructure and destroying them seems to trouble people.
As if to say, "well, why would we ever want to fight other rich people?"
We weren't always such a big dog. People have short memories.
Remember the Soviet Union? They were the enemy with all kinds of effective institutions.
The US is a champion of a distinct brand of governemnt. You vote with your work/money here. That's the point.
Saddam was a dictator. I don't have to detail his "policies" and governing "style," do I?

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by Sonya610

 

Stealing of course. 10 or 12 times a day using the "no-sale" key can break a business.

Having worked for a Muslim family for a few years, I found that they were like everyone else, they would hire who ever was able to do the job.

It was a grocery store and the meat department was staffed mostly with muslims, but it was for a reason. They need their meat cut in a certain way to meet Mosque standards, the same as Jewish people. There was no complaints about this, since it made for a better cut and better tasting meat.

Muslims have a very strict standard when it comes to work, while some might call it perfectionist, it creates a better work environment and even in something as lowly as a grocery store, it creates pride in the job. I have found that they will never give a job to anyone they would never do themselves. So there was never any room for whining. If the bosses son was working he was held to a higher standard than everyone else, and had to work for the right of inheritance.

They also abhor theft. Any religious Muslim would never steal. Most of the Muslims I worked with I would trust to leave $100 on the table and come back in an hour and find it still there.

I believe one of the major reasons you will find Muslims hiring Muslims, is work ethic. From what I have seen these people are very hard working and have no concept of 8 hour work days. They work until the job is done, no matter how long it takes. Most people in North America put in their shift and then leave no matter if the job is done or not.

reply to post by Rook1545


When you have been in the food business a very long time, and your food costs don't come close to your sales, food is either going out the door or not being rung up/cash going in pocket. It is a problem w/ restarurants, fast food. When I was experiencing the problem it was when 3 or 4 young guys--all college students--all related were working the same shifts. I don't think for a minute it was their nationality that caused the problem, it that is why some businesses won't hire family members.

Originally posted by Bombeni
Stealing of course. 10 or 12 times a day using the "no-sale" key can break a business.

When I said brother and sister I meant they are both muslim. And if they are true, devout muslims I would trust their honestly above most everyone elses. Like the poster above said, they truly abhor stealing, and if anyting being around OTHER devout religious friends would be an added encouragement to stay honest.

Are you Indian? I get the feeling you are, well strict Muslim countries are a WHOLE lot different than India. Even tourists are rarely ripped off when visiting true Islamic countries in the middle east.

Yeah Bombeni I know exactly what you are talking about, I know a lot about the digital surveillance industry and know that theft prevention and lowering food costs is a major selling point for quick serve restaurants. Subway or Dunkin owner? : )


[edit on 26-6-2008 by Sonya610]

This thread is a bit sily I think. All Human beings are born with the same potential. What's fed to your brain growing up and how much damage, self lies, and negative thought rewires you growing up and into adult hood it what matters, traumas and negative lessons.

I personally have a major issue with religous rule, I don't see any end to the cultural conflict the West and the East have to a lesser degree with Islam. I'd rather risk a stolen wallet around hindus then deal with fear as the basis for good behavior, free will and choices are very importan to me.

On a argument about culture, I have my opinions, but anyone who isn't aware there is no differnce at birth between all people from anywhere.

So Middle Easterners Good or Terrorists? Niether, just people with a belief system diametrically oppossed to much of what other people in the world were taught ot believe and value...It's not good or evil it's belief... personally the "culture" drives me crazy... but I could adopt a child from the middle east and love him/her.. nothing inherantly wrong, not a different species just a very different way of life, one I could never live and of course the same applies from them to me...


It's all a hard situation, unsolvable without war which is sad... but me, All I want is a world drive for colonization off world, I think it is our only hope...

Yes!!!Some hot looking guys there. Also, theres the lead singer of Monoral, half Morrocan, half Japanese
one of my favorite groups. So happy that everyone isn't a racist or specist for that matter Diversification is the ideal genetically.

Though freedom and equality and separation of church and state should be of concern

I signed this petition. Please stop the war. These people need support, in their fight for equality and freedom for women and children, not war to serve the corrupt agenda of the few.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by mystiq]

Yep, no doubt about it, the Muslim religion is an atrocity, and Muhammad is a false prophet. Maybe we could raise up a reward for anyone who successfully lashes Muslim officials who support lashing women for in the name of their false god.