Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'

and to expand on that...

Why do you think Sadaam would not let weapons inspectors into the country? Mind you - these are U.N. weapons inspectors, not U.S. - so you are either for or against my argument.

If you are against my argument, then you are telling me, straight up, that every country in the United nations is wrong, the united states is wrong, and lastly that you are right and Sadaam Hussein is innocent.

WOW. I hope that when you die and stand before the maker, that God allows George Washington to bitch slap you before your final judgement.

Oh, and about the comment on my comment about the reach around - i'll use language like that if i so choose. it does not violate any ATS policies, and it is not obscene. Take your censorship elsewhere. Who am i going to offend? a 12 year old? If a 12 year old is here, then we have another problem all together.

reply to post by ybab hsur


Go back...reread my post...you quoted me and then talked about absolutely nothing I mentioned. I am not talking about Iraq at all. That is not the bone of contention here. I am talking Iran. YOU prove to ME how Iran is a threat to US security, otherwise get off the soapbox.

reply to post by WhatTheory


It does more good? How by policing the rest of the world?

My views are not twisted. Have you not been paying attention to what is going on? Torture has been in the headlines for the past couple of weeks. You seriously believe that our media is pure and honest? Do you really think that our votes count? If you do than you are the one with the twisted views.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by theendisnear69]

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Are you talking about Iran? Hate to burst your bubble, but the U.S. has for years been talking with Iran. Then we gave the Europeans a chance. Nothing came from all attempts so now it's time to pay. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If Iran wants to play with the big boys, then they cannot complain when they get hurt.

The cia said Iran stopped producing WMD years ago! Why not trust a billion dollar agency? And what kind of talking have the europeans done?

Personally I find it sick that no one has the guts to stand up to america other than china and russia. Maybe you guys should pick a fight with them instead of "small targets of opportunity". I mean really its pathetic!

If your #1 prove it by fighting a title fight not beating up a small retarded child!!!!!!!!!!

We are #1. I can prove it. Nobody wants to fight us. We're not attacking China until China attacks us. We're not attacking Russia because its too damn easy (what are we gona do? Melt all that snow?) oh yeah...global warming is doing that for us..ha

So your idea of "fight the title fight" goes against the propaganda of all liberals everywhere. You are saying we have to fight to prove ourselfs, we're saying we have to fight to defend ourselves. Iran is a threat. China is not. What is China going to do?

China's economy virtually depends on U.S. and Great Britian.
I dare you to find me a toy that doesnt say "MADE IN CHINA" So its not in their best interests to attack us. They view us the way we view Saudi Arabia.

With out Saudi oil, we have nothing. The saudi's are not attacking other countries and spewing hate speech like Iran. So why bother? they're assholes, but so are liberals, we're not about to start bombing liberals unfortunately.

And you show me one credible source that says CIA said Iran stopped nuclear program, because the last time i checked (today) all the major news networks (regardless of politics) are saying that Iran is expanding their nuclear technology.

The UN condemns Iran and says "no you can't" the US condemns iran and says "no you cant"

but YOU say they can - well # - here's your world police badge, go spread liberalism all over the planet, you have it figured out with your "make it up as i go" rhetoric

Originally posted by Rook1545
reply to post by ybab hsur

 

Go back...reread my post...you quoted me and then talked about absolutely nothing I mentioned. I am not talking about Iraq at all. That is not the bone of contention here. I am talking Iran. YOU prove to ME how Iran is a threat to US security, otherwise get off the soapbox.

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*takes deep breath*

I just proved to you how Iran is a threat. Do i need to go buy some food coloring, so i can write it on a cracker and feed it to you?

A.) America is there to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves, ill provide countless examples if you need them

B.) Iran's president says the holocaust never happened and that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, because god spoke to him and told him to do so. (Side note: when dealing with a religious fanatical leader like this, total annhiliation is the only answer, you CANNOT change a persons faith)

C.) if you add A+B you get = my point. It is Americas job to defend Israel and all other peace-minded countries. If Iran threatens that peace, then IRANNNNNNNNNN is America's enemy

by the way

i still havent heard about any of those rights you supposedly lost...

reply to post by ybab hsur


You know first off I am not a liberal.

Again it is not the freedoms we don't have now it's the fact that they are trying to take them away right before our eyes.

Really our government is so perfect. How could I ever find fault in our allmighty government. I must now bow down to worship the US government. I allready cited reasons that the US is one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. My reasons were most certainly not terrorist propaganda but they were facts. If you can't see that then you are most certainly still sound asleep.

So invading another nation for reasons that were found to be proven wrong is not unconstitutional? WMDs? Where show them to me. Once again you are going to fall for that cruel joke.

reply to post by theendisnear69


I dont know where they are but i provided an explanation.

AND like a typical liberal you contradicted yourself afterrrrrrrrrrrrr i proved you wrong.

You said you lost rights
i said which
i said which
i said which
you said "i never lost rights, im saying iim afraid ill loose them"

you're a poser, go back to your corner

reply to post by ybab hsur


O like Vietnam and then Iraq we all know how much we helped Vietnam. O and Iraq is a much better place since we came in and helped right?

Israel is not our problem. Our military is allready stretched too thin. This burden goes to our troops. They are the ones to suffer if we have another pointless war.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
It doesn't matter, they already done something worse... legalise torture of childrens.

Just because you THINK it's true does not make it so. Care to provide any proof?

Your problem seems to be that you cannot go past your patriotism.

Your problem is you cannot get your head out of the sand and think for yourself. You should try it some time.

reply to post by ybab hsur


Exactly where are all these big bad WMDs that are supposed to be killing Americans?

Again I never said we lost rights please show me where. Really show me my reply where I said we lost our rights. I said that our rights were on the brink of collapse. Please stop saying I said something I didn't

Please show me where I said we have lost our rights.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by theendisnear69]

reply to post by theendisnear69


You are right, i misread your statement, and i apologize. You said they are going to be taken from us
not that they already have

so allow me to reshape my question

Which rights are in danger of being taken away?

also, answer for me why you think Sadaam delayed for weeks to let inspectors in?

What possible reason could he have for that if he was not hiding anything?

Originally posted by ybab hsur
We are #1. I can prove it. Nobody wants to fight us. We're not attacking China until China attacks us. We're not attacking Russia because its too damn easy (what are we gona do? Melt all that snow?) oh yeah...global warming is doing that for us..ha

Trust me its a love-hate relationship and recently more hate than love. I live in europe and know. If usa attacks iran I doubt the other super powers are gonna stay on the side lines because they have vested interest in the area just like usa does.

Originally posted by ybab hsur
So your idea of "fight the title fight" goes against the propaganda of all liberals everywhere. You are saying we have to fight to prove ourselfs, we're saying we have to fight to defend ourselves. Iran is a threat. China is not. What is China going to do?

What kind of threat and where is the proof? Please don't fabricate more evidence because no one will believe any of it!

Originally posted by ybab hsur
China's economy virtually depends on U.S. and Great Britian.
I dare you to find me a toy that doesnt say "MADE IN CHINA" So its not in their best interests to attack us. They view us the way we view Saudi Arabia.

Originally posted by ybab hsur
With out Saudi oil, we have nothing. The saudi's are not attacking other countries and spewing hate speech like Iran. So why bother? they're assholes, but so are liberals, we're not about to start bombing liberals unfortunately.

Someone pasted a link saying 45% of the terrorists have saudi nationality.

Originally posted by ybab hsur
And you show me one credible source that says CIA said Iran stopped nuclear program, because the last time i checked (today) all the major news networks (regardless of politics) are saying that Iran is expanding their nuclear technology.

Cia made complete liars out of the bush administration yet conservatives look the other way. The report was all other the press several months ago. Did you miss it?



[edit on 28-5-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

Originally posted by Rook1545
I would like to see some proof as to how Iran is an enemy of the US. I have not seen any threats from them made to America, if I have missed them, please show them to me.

Ok, perhaps some of these will refresh your memory.

Source 1

Source 2

Source 3

I could go on and on. Let's not also forget how Iran has threatened Navy ships.

Source 4

We must also keep in mind how Iran threatened to destroy our friend Israel.
They are also a enemy because they are killing U.S. troops and allied forces in Iraq by supplying arms, money and men.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by WhatTheory]

also
not that im complaining, but to the moderator who edited my big long "AHH" im just curious as to why?

Saying "ah" and saying "AHHHHHH...." has different impacts, i could understand it if it was a one liner, but that was a lengthy post

you forget, teh CIA is the ones with the ingelligence that started this war. they were wrong about that - they're wrong about IRAN.

Iran is a threat because of the OBVIOUS hate speaches given by Ahmenijad. (read up on the beginning of hitler and see why i consider him a threat)

You liberals have no grounds for argument. You argue with reason and truth because fi you agree with us, you are proving yourselves wrong, and you'd rather die than to be wrong.

Well lets just say it this way - i dont want to die. Ever. Atleast die of anything i can control. I'll be damned if i let liberals hand this country over on a platter for ill-minded people to move in and wipe me out.

But you cant agree with me can you?

tell me that Ahmenijad isnt speaking hate. I want to you answer that for me. (i eagerly await your response)

Oh, and argue with my sig too please, you cant seem to have any clout there either

Except for ending Slavery, Nazism, Facism, and Communism.....

WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING

Tell me im wrong, and if you do, you better come with proof as to how

[edit on 28-5-2008 by ybab hsur]

[edit on 28-5-2008 by ybab hsur]

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The cia said Iran stopped producing WMD years ago! Why not trust a billion dollar agency?

First of all, the NIE report in question did say that Iran prior to 2003 did indeed have a nuclear weapons program. So if you are going to believe that it was halted, then you must also believe that they did actually have a nuclear weapons program. So everyone saying that Iran only wanted nuclear power plants instead of nuclear weapons is totally bogus right?

Also, before this latest NIE report the same group said they were developing nuclear weapons. And now after the report, they are changing their tune again. Basically, the NIE and those who wrote it don't know what they are talking about and cannot be trusted.

Reshaping the NIE report

If Iran is not currently attempting to build nuclear weapons (and we know they did in the past) then why did the UN just slap Iran with a third round of sanctions.

3rd Round of Sanctions

And what kind of talking have the europeans done?

Source 1

Source 2

Source 3

Again, I could on and on.

Is there anything else I can get for you.
perhaps you need to pay closer attention to detail instead of spewing propaganda.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by WhatTheory]

I'm peeing myself!!
This thread has given me some great LOL's.
Here are some real gems from some real "thinkers" ...

You liberals have no grounds for argument. You argue with reason and truth

I dont know where they are but i provided an explanation

A.) America is there to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves

C.) if you add A+B you get = my point

Why do you think Sadaam would not let weapons inspectors into the country? Mind you - these are U.N. weapons inspectors, not U.S. - so you are either for or against my argument.

Wow! That was just page 11!! thanks ybab for the laughs!
Now go outside and enjoy your war. Just don't disturb the neighbors.


[edit on 28-5-2008 by solo32_98]

rush baby and WhatTheory are silly sillies.
Listen, I would like to know what is more patriotic, keeping an eye on your gov to make sure they don't screw us (after all they are men with pwer and pwer corrupts men), or just believing anything and everything the prez says?
I love my country/nation, but not it's gov, there's a big difference between a government and a nation/country, I feel like rush baby and WhatTheory don't know the difference. And before you do it, don't you dare call me a liberal, I'm a Constitutionalist.

Our government does evil things, all governments do, that's a fact, give a corruptible being power and they do corruptable things, 2+2=4 folks, it's not that hard to figure out.