The ATS Issues Thread

reply to post by zorgon


Congratulations Zorgon,

You are the first person I have ever put on ignore on ATS. And I hope you're the last one. I am sure you will be though. I can't imagine anyone else's posts annoying me even half as much as yours.

[edit on 26-5-2008 by LateApexer313]

Hmmm...I can't imagine being a high profile site admin/owner here. It must truly add to one's own level of paranoia. Having been involved in various "extreme" alternative sites, and in some cases running them, I have come across a LOT of online eccentrics, and met a few, but this site is different.

Honestly it seems like it could become a bit creepy. It is easy to imagine that some ATS visitor could decide one of the admins put a chip in their head, and when the foil hat proved useless they might make it their lifes ambition to stop the transmissions at any cost.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Honestly it seems like it could become a bit creepy. It is easy to imagine that some ATS visitor could decide one of the admins put a chip in their head, and when the foil hat proved useless they might make it their lifes ambition to stop the transmissions at any cost.

Well I must say, that is taking it to a whole nother' level!!!

Obviously a person would already have to be pretty unleashed in thier mind to put all that energy into a website and it's staff.

I would hope that most people use the site as info and entertainment, certainly not as a body to "control" thier lives, at least no more than one allows by time spent online.

What will it take to get Springer and/or SO to make some sort of public statement about the situation at the Sanctuary at Mount Adams?

The Sanctuary, where there are allegedly UFO sightings, ET Contact experiences, miraculous healings and other paranormal weirdness happening on an ONGOING BASIS? With many independent witnesses and 80+ hours of video footage?

I have raised this issue many times, only to be met with........ absolute silence.

The more I keep raising this issue to Springer and SO and being met with complete silence, the more it makes me think that they are refusing to comment on James Gilliland and the Sanctuary for some reason....

I have to say. If you question a mod in a discussion your post gets deleted. I just don't understand it at all.

Moderators have the right to be questioned just like members do. All of our posts involved in a thread got deleted, but we were talking about the thread.

This just makes me have a big dislike for ATS... Wow. just wow.

reply to post by jhill76


jhill,

I have to say I am disappointed in you jumping on the "bash ATS" bandwagon. Did you read this whole thread and the ridiculous accusations that get lobbed at the staff and owners here?

So you posted something questioning a moderator and your post was deleted? Details please, because I for one don't believe that for a minute. What thread was this in please and which moderator did you question, what did you say to them?

reply to post by LateApexer313


I am not bashing other peoples stuff, I am bashing my own experince. As you should know me, I only talk about my own experinces. I can't show you because the topics are now deleted. But, you can kind of get a gist on page 7 and page 8 of Sites like ATS thread.

reply to post by LateApexer313



Also,

Let me explain further.

Look at Cadbury post on Page 8. What does that have to do with the topic? But, that one stayed. I am saying. There is a pattern in which when mods get question, the post is deleted, but when members bash each other, most of it stays.

I can't show you because the topics are now deleted

By topics that are deleted do you mean there are multiple threads of yours that you are saying that have been deleted by ATS?

Don't point me to some other persons' claim of how they were allegedly treated, I am directly asking you about your claim now.

Speak for yourself here, as you say you only do and tell me who the moderator was you questioned, what you said to them, and tell me what the topic was of your thread or post that you allege got deleted.

It's not a fusion versus fission essay I am asking you for. These questions are simple and strait forward.

reply to post by LateApexer313


No, I mean if you go to the 8th page it will say post removed.

But, Intrepid was proven wrong on an issue. Another member pointed this out as well as I. But, the other member stated this a little more blunt than I did. He got a warning and I backed him up.

When I stated IF Intrepid gave him that warning that should not be allowed, as moderators who are engaged in a forum should be a member then and not moderate. I got deleted.

Then, he posted something along the lines of:

Do you believe now that he posted false information. That got deleted, I just don't see how, he was asking a serious question directed to a moderator.

I just think there are double standards at play here, not all the time, but on quite a few occasions I have seen it happen.

reply to post by jhill76


For the 3rd and last time, I am speaking about YOUR claim, that YOUR posts/threads have been deleted by ATS because you questioned a moderator.

Who was the moderator, what was the topic of your post/thread and what did you say to this moderator.

reply to post by LateApexer313


I just said look at my above post.

Moderator:

Intrepid

Thread:

Sites like ATS are monitored by an analyst and assigned a threat level

My Stance:

I simply asked if a moderator is going to post as a member, they shouldn't moderate. But, I said IF.


[edit on 26-5-2008 by jhill76]

Originally posted by jhill76
When I stated IF Intrepid gave him that warning that should not be allowed, as moderators who are engaged in a forum should be a member then and not moderate. I got deleted.

Just to clear this up, I was acting in the capacity as a moderator. The other member made a completely rude remark towards another member. I was addressing that. THAT is part of mod duties.

reply to post by intrepid


Yes, your first post came off as a mod.

But this one, came off like a member.

And I know ADVISOR, I know what he does. If he feels free to share that fine. Or are you calling my word into account as well now?

reply to post by LateApexer313


But, my concern was this: (Pg. 8)

That's got nothing to do with it at all, woman. Who are you to look down on people who may or may not be drugged, for whatever reason?

My U2 stated that my post did not deal with the issue of ATS being monitored. But, why did this stay.

I would have never said anything if it was clean all across the board.

I've yet to see an example of these 'unwarranted mystery deleted posts'

I've had threads moved,posts 'modded' and deleted..
Sometimes even a u2u warning about linking to an unsuitable site/source.

In each case it was perfectly obvious why it had been done.
In each case it was EXPLAINED why it had been done with the relevant reference to the t&c..

Are you saying it WASN'T explained to you?

reply to post by AGENT_T


No I am saying, moderators are selective in which posts get removed.

Originally posted by jhill76
No I am saying, moderators are selective in which posts get removed.

Can you help me out with a specific example?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Yes.

On page 7 and continuing to page 8 of my thread.

Intrepid: (referring to another member)

Your post is not only insulting to ADVISOR but to the entire staff, by inferring that we would allow a mod to post false information. ADVISOR does indeed work for the government. The rest of the content in your post and it's tone leaves much to be desired. You may want to take that into account in further posting.

Me: (I wanted to clarify the clearance issue)

But, he is incorrect on the clearance issue (ADVISOR), I can vouch for that one. If clarification is needed:

Powerpoint on the issue

Intrepid: (Responding to me)

And I know ADVISOR, I know what he does. If he feels free to share that fine. Or are you calling my word into account as well now?

He says he was acting as a mod. But, if you look at the way he worded his message above, this is acting like a member.

Me: (Responding back to him)

No, I am saying he is incorrect on the clearance issue on the computer systems. For the rest of the stuff that is between you guys. I provided the powerpoint for a clarification, a government powerpoint that confirms the clearance issue on a government website.

Now, for what he does, is what he does, I am not here to debate that.

Then I post a question to the fact, but it had got deleted.

If Intrepid gave you the warning (me referring to: PokeyJoe) that is wrong, because a moderator when acting as a member should not moderate, but act as a member in a discussion.

My post got deleted and I asked why in U2. I can understand in a way. But, it should be uniform across the board. Here is the U2

It is off topic. The thread is about ATS being monitored by the government, not about the staff or any staff actions taken within the thread.

I hate to use another member in here, but, Cadbury posted a message:

That's got nothing to do with it at all, woman. Who are you to look down on people who may or may not be drugged, for whatever reason?

I asked why did that stay, it has nothing to do with the topic. I feel that it should be even all across the board. But, got no answer. I just feel we were removed because a mod came into question.

And now it finally comes out...you broke the rules by posting off topic. Your post was deleted. End of story.

That is not the same as "my post got deleted simply because I questioned a moderator."

Do you think it's wise to start off your first days as a member on ATS accusing ATS staff of deleting your posts simply because you questioned a moderator yet it was really because you broke the rules of THEIR site?

Every single person who has posted their complaints about ATS owners or staff on this thread has done the same thing as you have done today.

They have broken the rules and have been dealt out the punishment for breaking the rules, whether it was being banned, having their posts or threads deleted or closed, yet they come on here, twisting the facts, just as you have today, when, the reality of the situation is, you broke the rules as they have.

It took me three posts of asking the same questions over and over to even get the simple facts out of you.

If you think ATS is a bad site, or the owners or moderators are not fair with you, then start your own site. You claim to have all the skills needed to do this. That way, you can post whatever you like on YOUR site.