The ATS Issues Thread

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
If people actually believe that ATS is being controlled or monitored by the CIA

Or... why aren't they reporting us to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission about the fact that a firm that has accepted investment (reported to and governed by the S.E.C.) from accredited private investors is publicly lying about their management structure? That would be a rather serious level of federal fraud.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Yes, good question. I would still be here hoping to understand what the program was and its scope. I suspect some would run. Big brother is already everywhere. It boils down to a person pushing that alarm button somehow and becoming a person in the need of being dealt with. I don't think many of us will ever reach that point. We are useful as inadvertent pawns in their game.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Or... why aren't they reporting us to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission about the fact that a firm that has accepted investment (reported to and governed by the S.E.C.) from accredited private investors is publicly lying about their management structure? That would be a rather serious level of federal fraud.

I think I can explain that one.

If ATS is controlled by the CIA, then they believe the SEC would obviously never investigate, therefore perpetrating a cover-up by silence.

Plus, they would have to back up their claims. Of course, a demand of proof to them would be evidence of a cover-up.

And besides, it's much easier to complain than to take action.

I just got banned.

I was the person that created the account name CIA Operative as a joke. Well, apparently SO or another mod didn't think it was all that funny, though other members seem to express amusement in the notion.

I fully expect this name to be banned as well.

But, before it is, I wanted to express that I in no way laid claim to being a member, employee or have any affiliation with the CIA anymore than the user name RoadGravel claimed to be either Road or Gravel - or the user name LizardKing claimed to be either a Lizard or a King.

I'm sure the response from the mods will be along the lines of, "you were attempting to deceive or dis-rail the thread", but just so it is known, I had no intentions of doing so. I simply wanted to make a joke.

Apparently there's no room for humor here on ATS? I guess I should have posted a new topic on BTS, if I wanted to joke about anything, huh?

Well, just in case this user name is banned as well, it's been fun! I've learned so much from ATS. I'll miss everyone ... yes, event he mods. Happy ventures in your future threads here on ATS and remember ... think before you type!

reply to post by tyranny22


Wow. I was surprised no one had registered with that name before you got the chance to use it. I always see the forums names as anything but an actual description of a member.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
If people actually believe that ATS is being controlled or monitored by the CIA, why do those same people post here?

If you suspect the NSA/DIA/CIA/NGA or any of the hundred and one other "Three Letter Clubs" is monitoring your emails or tapping your phone line, does that mean you will stop emailing or making phone calls?

Or does it mean you will be more 'careful' about what you say or how you say it?

If you make a habit of posting anti-government posts, it might be reasonable to assume you would wish to know that your posts are NOT being 'tracked'... hence how many people expressed 'concern' over this issue

But if that IS the concern... well the NSA has already won... they monitor everything on the internet anyway

"Based on my understanding of the connections and equipment at issue, it appears the NSA (National Security Agency) is capable of conducting what amounts to vacuum-cleaner surveillance of all the data crossing the Internet," Klein said. "This potential spying appears to be applied wholesale to all sorts of Internet communications of countless citizens."

NSA


So if you have something to hide or an agenda, rest assured THEY already have you on their list...

And yes some DO 'visit' here... I know one personally



So stop worrying and learn to love the BOMB

NSA Wiretapping Reality

And yes I did notice ATS has three letters

reply to post by roadgravel


Yes, I was surprised when it allowed me to register with it. I actually wish now that it hadn't, or that it would already have been taken. I could have avoided this whole mess.

Dunno, if I'll end up being banned under this name as well, but I figured it best to come clean because an I.P. can easily be referenced. Sucks cause now (if I don't get banned under this name) I have to use a browser I don't normally use.

Anyway ... I guess humor is subjective.

[edit on 21-5-2008 by tyranny22]

reply to post by tyranny22


Have you noticed that there is a user name 'CIA OP'. It might have to do with having more than one ID on the forum. But in you defense, some one mentioned to me in a post that they had multiple names here. Don't know if that has also been address if this is the case.

Originally posted by zorgon
If you suspect the NSA/DIA/CIA/NGA or any of the hundred and one other "Three Letter Clubs" is monitoring your emails or tapping your phone line, does that mean you will stop emailing or making phone calls?

In reality, the "alphabet agencies" likely take little, if any, proactive interest in the people who post here and what they say. From time to time there may be topics take pique their interest, like these:
Barksdale Missile Number Six: The Stolen Nuclear Weapon
'ET' False Flag Operation to Begin in August
NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure
FBI Fears Chinese Hackers Have Back Door Into US Government & Military
The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition
...where we see an increase in activity from their domains. But for the most part, we're likely a valuable resource that gives them a sense of "buzz" or "the pulse" of conspiracy theorists.

The real concern is not sites like this, or even potentially your online communications... it's your "grid footprint." The marketers, retailers, and financial firms have colluded on building an accurate profile of you for years. Your supermarket shoppers club card, credit cards, gas cards, car purchases, and a plethora of other data is aggregated, daily, into a stunningly accurate profile of who you are and what you do. And that data is available to any who would pay for it, including the government (and we know they have). For example, a cross-reference of your super market spending with the titles you've purchased on your Barnes & Noble discount card might reveal you as a "person of interest" far more easily and inexpensively than trying to track your online habits.

Data that could incriminate us already exists, and is far more accurate and infinitely cheaper to obtain than trying to profile online habits of individuals through deep packet inspection.

reply to post by roadgravel


I don't think the multiple names is an issue. As Zorgon has attested to in another thread there are names here that are nearly identical having only a space separating words being the only difference. For Example: CIAOperative rather than CIA Operative.

Anyway, I think it had more to do with deception or having mal-intentions. Which of course I full understand. Though, it was more of a joke, but who would have known. I completely understand the banning, especially given all the recent "CIA front" talk.

I play SOCOM Navy Seals online. I've become pretty good at the game (because I play it so often). I'm often accused of "hacking", which many people do. I won't go into all the details, but I don't "hack" - it's impossible for me to do so. But, when people accuse me of it, I often get infuriated. It's an issue of someone calling me something I'm not.

I think the same applies here. I can't blame the mods here for getting angry (or defensive) when people call ATS a CIA Front. Given the user name I created and what could have been bad intentions of the creator .. I totally understand the banning.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
If ATS is controlled by the CIA, then they believe the SEC would obviously never investigate, therefore perpetrating a cover-up by silence.

Well then it's hard to refute circular double-reversed upside-down straw-man logic isn't it?

However, keep in mind that even Facebook has been upfront about it's CIA-backed investment origins (In-Q-Tel).

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord For example, a cross-reference of your super market spending with the titles you've purchased on your Barnes & Noble discount card might reveal you as a "person of interest" far more easily and inexpensively than trying to track your online habits.

Like if you buy Falafel and get the book "How to fly a Jetliner"

Well from what I have seen in the research 'most' of their monitoring is automated and just goes by key words that flag you unless of course you make a lot of 'noise', then you might see the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel.

Best way to handle them though is easy enough with honesty and truth. No one else uses that tactic. It'll really throw them off.

I would like to say that i don't think ATS is a front for any government agency, they can't get this kind of traffic even when they want it....;-)


however comma (,) that being said, i would like to say that i am fairly certain that if a single idea, fact, piece of evidence, document or photograph from a real UFO or conspiracy case has ever been presented here, either by an agent or by an agents acquaintance, then it is most likely monitored from that point forward.

to think that the govt wouldn't be monitoring a forum like this, with so many of those nice ECHELON keywords, is , well, not a very well thought out position on the issue (IMO)


cheers

~elgoog~

Dang, if all these rumours are true, and all the times I, myself, have been called an 'agent'....Im STILL waiting for my check or PayPal Deposit...or have you forgetten my PayPal addy???




[edit on 21-5-2008 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by elgoog


Hypothetically..
To me, it makes sense that the CIA wouldn't be directly involved anyway. Most people here smart enough to be involved with ATS from the top down who are highly suspiciuos of such conspiracies already. People are posting things here completely ignorant of the fact that it COULD be some kind of inside intelligence gathering source so that the intelligence agencies can put their pulse on the most outspoken and concerned citizens out there (those other than the sheeple who are ignorant and blind).

But, that being said, all the CIA has to do to access pretty much every single bit of important information is to browse the friggin internet!! Browse the ATS Site, the boards, the videos, the files, etc..
Only because it is freely accessible over the net. The only reason such an intelligence agency would even need to be involved with ATS at the beginning would be if they for some reason were interested in all the people here, what they had to say, and why..

So, if there were some conspiracy it makes sense that it would be to keep checks on the American public and what it thinks about the government itself and how much evidence we have against them.

But it also makes absolutely no sense considering everything posted in the message boards is already freely accessible on the web... Why would "they" somehow need to be involved with ATS from the inside out? I think this is a great site and SkepticOverlord has done a great job with the layout and design as well as everything else he does for ATS and the above network (most of which I have no idea about). This is a great site with great people. Sometimes we get to see the worst but sometimes we get to see the best too. IMO, this is an honest site for an honest purpose and one that is extremely important.

-ChriS


[edit on 21-5-2008 by BlasteR]

reply to post by BlasteR


I am thoroughly convinced that there are a few members that are in fact CIA ops agents. Deliberately placed here for the select purpose of collecting information.

I have my genuine suspicions about one member in general however I will take my suspicions directly to that member instead of "outing" them on the board. I may well be incorrect about them but after a thorough interrogation I am convinced I will find out the truth.

A CIA op would not post on the main ATS board, however in BTS this kind of operation would go virtually unnoticed. Information can be collected in the more relaxed atmosphere of BTS easily without raising suspicion.

There are also more than likely a few select disinformation agents among the ATS membership placed here to deflect and spread disinformation on this board. The Administration (amigos, mods) would have no reason to question their activities because these "members" in general follow the T&C of the site.

For all those who doubt that "they" are monitoring ATS, just try rallying support for big-name ET Contactees and new energy technologies, see how much super-fun psychological warfare ensues

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by BlasteR

 

I am thoroughly convinced that there are a few members that are in fact CIA ops agents. Deliberately placed here for the select purpose of collecting information.

I have my genuine suspicions about one member in general however I will take my suspicions directly to that member instead of "outing" them on the board. I may well be incorrect about them but after a thorough interrogation I am convinced I will find out the truth.

A CIA op would not post on the main ATS board, however in BTS this kind of operation would go virtually unnoticed. Information can be collected in the more relaxed atmosphere of BTS easily without raising suspicion.

There are also more than likely a few select disinformation agents among the ATS membership placed here to deflect and spread disinformation on this board. The Administration (amigos, mods) would have no reason to question their activities because these "members" in general follow the T&C of the site.

You make some great points.
Disinformation regarding UFO's and other alternative topics would be expected to be seen here since this is one of the only huge community sub-cultures on the internet that not only allows but encourages open discussion on these topics. Therefore, disinformation "agents" would be expected to be seen in "places" like this on the web.

There may very well be CIA ops agents posting on the boards however that does not necessarily mean they are involved in some massive conspiracy to somehow feed us twisted information to make us think a certain way. At least not on this site, where open discussion is encouraged to the point where ALL options, ALL opinions and ALL evidence is considered not just one idea or concept that could, hypothetically, be based on disinformation.

If NASA really is witholding the truth about UFO's, if the government really has been lying to us about UFO's from the beginning, then that secrecy depends on the government's ability to ensure that the citizens (us) don't have enough tangible evidence to counter their claims. Therefore, it seems to me that the government's interest in what WE think about these topics and what WE learn and know about the evidence that they are trying to withhold is of extreme importance to the government. In other words, this community would be of great interest to intelligence organisations and the government in general if such a UFO conspiracy were really taking place. They would have a vested interest in monitoring this sites activities (i.e. what is being discussed, what evidence is being presented, how tangible and important that evidence is, and what we know about their coverup).

-ChriS

It's not that hard to believe ATS could be a CIA front. A couple years ago I created a messageboard to gather evidence about my sisters ex who was harassing/stalking her at the time. I knew his interests, created a forum based on them, added other people with the same interests, added friends of his, created numerous fake accounts, etc. Eventually he started posting there and the plan worked and I got enough info to use against him in court. So if I can do it then how hard is it for the CIA to set up a board to gather info? Pretty simple. If you build it they will come. War on the internet! "Trust no one" -Fox Mulder-

reply to post by ZombieSlayer


CREEPY!

But you raise an interesting question - could ATS posts ever be used against someone in a court case?

I don't really see how they possibly could.....