The ATS Issues Thread

The Definitive ATS Issues Post has been updated with information regarding cookies, and the misperception that they are "spyware."

Originally posted by roadgravel
Have you noticed that there is a user name 'CIA OP'.

My favorite is intelgurl
Her avatar states...
'Operating within DoD Protocol"

I wonder what she does foe a living



oopsy blew her cover

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Dang, if all these rumours are true, and all the times I, myself, have been called an 'agent'...

Love the 'solution' to the avatar issue

As to the 'agent' thing hehehe YOU know one here... the same as mine

But that is all you will get out of me Well at least in public

And as to your 'paycheck' isn't that included in the 'other' paycheck?



[edit on 23-5-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
For all those who doubt that "they" are monitoring ATS, just try rallying support for big-name ET Contactees and new energy technologies, see how much super-fun psychological warfare ensues

Hehe I will attest to that.... I made a post regarding SPIRNET in one thread, specifically stating that indeed there IS a portal to it available through the regular internet.. (the question came up in regards to the hacker Gary McKinnon) within hours I was 'rewarded' by a poster 'admitting' he was 35 years 'intel' and told me this wasn't possible....

I won't go into details... but I know he was telling the truth by other info from U2U... it was amazing though... the speed of the 'appearance' and the subsequent silence... after I proved my point

Well sort of... the portal IS there but...

Note: You must have a DoD-issued Common Access Card (CAC) and originate from a .mil address to enter this site


For the brave I will add this... but not as a direct link because of the way ATS handles links... LOL I posted a link to a file at Maxwell AFB once about holographic projectors and everyone who viewed the page automatically triggered a 'notice' and everyone thought it was suspicious why a military site was giving them a warning from ATS

nic dot mil

That is something I am curious about Skeptic Overlord... why does this happen? I have stopped posting direct links to certain sites because of this and also the fact that the site being hit by thousands of ATSer's after a post seems to ' stir the hornet's nest'

I can see how that 'might' add to the ATS conspiracy factor, as a lot of people post links to .mil sites

As a follow-up to what I was saying before about James Gilliland,

Turns out his annual "Science, Spirit and World Transformation" conference is coming up in July, less than a month and a half from now:

www.eceti.org...

I think it would be a good idea to have a few ATS reps there; even if they don't manage to have a Contact experience or walk away with the CSETI footage, at least it would be a good opportunity to network with people like James and Alfred Webre and Brooks Agnew and other big names

Just some food for thought for the staff.....

Just an observation, not a critique

I find that the anon post kinda kills a thread, because everyone is waiting to see what they say.

Of course that's our fault rather the anon posters fault - but it's an interseting side effect nonetheless.

tuppence worth

reply to post by budski


I noticed that too.

Anon posts are thread killers.

Originally posted by xpert11
None of which excuses a lack of rational thinking or logic . Even when government put documents under lock and key for a long period of time there is often claims of a conspiracy that have some credence because of rational thinking and alleged evidence. For example I have book somewhere entitled the Murder of Rudolf Hess by Hugo Thomas(SP?) . Now aside from the fact there is only author word to go on the case he presents is based on medical evidence and logic . Of course having more then one source for a claim is preferable .

I haven't seen such solid evidence from Lear when it came to his ideas.

That's the entire point of us discussing these topics is to gain insight, apply logic and rational thinking, and to consider the possibilities and whatever evidence may support those possibilities. When it comes to things like UFO's there is a conglomeration of tangible evidence and non-tangible conjecture. That's largely the reason the entire topic of UFO's is largely considered reserved for the crackpots of society. It's this overall mixture of the evidence and what the implications of that evidence really mean that make the UFO phenomenon seem hoaky. But if UFO's are real this goes much deeper than some videos on youtube and some innocent, open discussions on ATS and elsewhere.

There are mounds and mounds of evidence to support the existence of UFO's and I have seen unexplained objects myself on 4 different occasions (all witnessed by at least 3 people). Some of my sightings have been reported on MUFON and can be referened over the net. I am not some crazy person in a straight-jacket nor have I ever been diagnosed with a mental illness. These were all unexplainable events in which an awe was instilled in me that still exists to this day.

To me the UFO reality is all around us. But the implications of that are not exactly widely accepted and it ends up looking like "we're" a bunch of crackpots who are out of touch with reality when "we" are anything but.

There is a huge difference between true skepticism and denial.

My experience on ATS points to the fact that some people look to fit a conspiracy into a situation rather then examine each topic on a case by case basis. People sometimes read to much into a situation or read something that isnt there .

That's exactly true. This is a place where ALL possibilities are discussed because no matter how far-fetched it seems people like to take it and run with it. There's not exactly anything wrong with that but it probably makes for some paranoid people around here I agree.

Excluding the John Lear situation, it isn't very far-fetched to see that if this government secrecy and coverup involving UFO's is really taking place that the government would be extremely interested in places such as this where open discussion on those topics is encouraged and where there is also the presenting of possible evidence and discussion of what that evidence means.

It would be one effective way of the government keeping tabs on what evidence we have to counter that government secrecy. Keeping tabs on ATS in general would be in their best interest to keep that secret safe.

-ChriS

If you've got spies and disinfo agents at one site, you're eventually bound to run into the same problems at the other.

Seems there's nowhere to hide.

They gotcha by the BWOLLLZ!!!

reply to post by BlasteR


I wasn't dismissing UFO cases on the whole . None of what you said changes the fact that Lear didn't provide any logic or evidence to back up his claims . You let trail and the clues and the evidence lead you to your conclusion. If you do otherwise the idea you end up with other then a rational conclusion backed by logic and evidence . If you start off and continue the investigative process in a rational you will come a lot closer to the facts.

[edit on 24-5-2008 by xpert11]

reply to post by zorgon


I recall looking at this when it was originally posted, it it is the maxwell afb site image. Seems like I commented on it at that time.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is a mismatch in the certificate domain and the requested url domain due to an alias. The certificate is for akamai.net. The image is being served using SSL (https).

Name: a893.g.akamai.net
Addresses: 72.246.48.32, 72.246.48.27
Aliases: www.maxwell.af.mil, www.maxwell.af.mil.edgesuite.net


Tracing route to a893.g.akamai.net [72.246.48.27]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 to 6 hops removed by me...
7 237 ms 222 ms 232 ms mai-b1-link.telia.net [80.91.252.62]
8 335 ms 232 ms 232 ms hurricane-ic-124155-mai-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.83.194]
9 349 ms 239 ms 232 ms 10gigabitethernet5-4.core1.ash1.he.net [72.52.92.53]
10 356 ms 240 ms * 64.71.158.142
11 264 ms 238 ms 232 ms a72-246-48-27.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [72.246.48.27]

May be this will help with an answer.

reply to post by roadgravel


Thanks for that...

But I was more interested why just opening the thread page brings that up BEFORE you click on the link...

reply to post by zorgon


Because the page contains an 'image' tag with the url to a picture.

"https://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/img00098.gif"

When the page is being rendered by the web client that site is accessed to download the picture image. It is painted on the screen with the other formated text during the rendering.

The server does not care that it is a picture, page, etc.It is still a resource being accessed via SSL. The browser warns about the mismatch. Pictures are loaded without clicking a hyperlink, even though the picture may be the displayed item for a hyperlink.

Edit: sp


[edit on 5/24/2008 by roadgravel]

Was this page created and set not to index with Google site crawlers?

reply to post by roadgravel


AH Thanks Tom... that explains it..

but it was fun seeing all the reactions to getting 'pinged' by the site

reply to post by zorgon


Classic example of being ignorant about what's really happening and pointing fingers at us because you don't understand the situation.

Then when it's explained to you all you have to say is, "ahhh that explains it". Simply amazing...

Springer...

Originally posted by Springer
Then when it's explained to you all you have to say is, "ahhh that explains it". Simply amazing...

Umm I do believe that this response was to ONE issue of why does a post to a link to a .mil site automatically pop up a 'warning' to anyone who just views the page?

I do not see how this has anything to do with any of the other 'issues'

Though for this case I did mention how people unsuspectingly come into a thread and get a 'flag' from a .mil site MIGHT see this as something nefarious and add to the 'confusion'

Seems I am not making myself clear enough


Simply amazing...

reply to post by zorgon


I guess I am not being clear enough...

All the other (non) "issues" you claim to worry about here are as ludicrous as the possibility we have some sort of military connection that causes "warnings" on people's browsers.

That was my point.

Springer...

Originally posted by Springer
That was my point.

Ah got it...

I guess if asking for clarification on any 'issues' or 'concerns' I may have about ATS are as you say 'ludicrous'

Then I suppose there is no point in posting on an issues thread and expecting serious answers..

No problem

There is a new Mars lander to pick on...