It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by scrapple
By tuning the radios to any low-level sector in the area or Potomac Approach Control. Just because they weren't talking to ATC doesn't mean that they could not have overheard controllers talking to other aircraft.
How was this number obtained by a radio-silent and "known by Reagan’s tower as a hijacked flight” crew?
Chris Stephenson, 44, controller-in-charge at Reagan National Airport tower
After the second jet hit the Trade Center (9:03), the airport tower that overlooks the Washington Monument and the Capitol from across the Potomac River was roiling with activity.
Stephenson's initial concern was following FAA orders to halt takeoffs. He stopped takeoffs for flights headed toward New York, then Boston. Within a few minutes, no one was allowed to take off.
About this time, someone from American Airlines telephoned. "We don't want any of our airplanes going airborne," the caller said. "Send them back to the gate."
"I just told them, 'Nobody's going anywhere,'" Stephenson said.
About 9:30, the phone that connects his tower to the Secret Service rang. A voice on the other end said an unidentified aircraft was speeding toward Washington. Stephenson looked at the radarscope and saw that the jet was about five miles to the west.
www.usatoday.com...
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by scrapple[/url]
By tuning in to the DCA VOR.link
How did the terrorist know where to fly……………………………………………….
However, even though the EFIS was in the MAP mode at
the time, it was in the 80 nautical mile range setting, and so would not have shown DCA on
the display; consequently, it is unlikely that the hijackers used the map display on the EHSI
to deduce the correct heading for Washington. It follows that the hijackers had some other
means of obtaining this heading.
Originally posted by pro420
if the responders were turned off how did the government know where flight 77 was headed???
Originally posted by C0le
........Follow the funds, the connection between those involved ect, Thats ALL we need to prove, The rest will fall into place.
"If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time. In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.... Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story:"
Originally posted by pro420
if the responders were turned off how did the government know where flight 77 was headed???
“VICE PRES. CHENEY: ...As best we can tell, they [American Flight 77] came
initially at the White House and...
"MR. RUSSERT: The plane actually circled the White House?
"VICE PRES. CHENEY: Didn't circle it, but was headed on a track into it. The
Secret Service has an arrangement with the F.A.A. They had open lines after the
World Trade Center was... "
"MR. RUSSERT: Tracking it by radar.
Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story.
People still believe that Planes hit the Towers, just because it was shown as such in the media on that fatal day of 9/11 on the TV. Cheney was busy on that day with Norad doing some plane acts, while the Explosives for demolishing the WTC were being detonated, that brought down the WTC. There never were any Planes that hit the WTC, except what was shown as an animated image to fool the public. It was shown over a 1000 times to implant it in the brain-box.
Originally posted by JanusFIN
reply to post by scrapple
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by die_another_day
die_another....we don't need to tune the ILS....its signal is irrelevant, except for DME, if associated...
*shaking head*.....Come on, I've already ponted this stuff out, as has Freaky Animal!!!
It's in the FMS, the FMC, it's onboard, and a little time will familiarize anyone, especially if you've had some flight training!!!
This is why I invite people who read this thread to go take flying lessons. NO, you will not be trained on the FMS or other advanced components, but you WILL receive instructions in the basics, and will learn lots and lots, and you may even enjoy it!!
I know, when I learned SCUBA, it was something completely new to me, but my misconceptions were erased as I learned.....
[edit]...die_another, was reading your avatar...my French is poor, but does it say your life is fabtabulous?
[edit on 31-3-2008 by weedwhacker]
Boon, please....chatter is not an acceptible source for an english challenged nube pilot dialing in the "exact" baro pressure at DCA at the time of the attack. Do you even know when he reset - the act is directly viewable in the public domain.
They do? What direction is vertical?
And while I am not a pilot, flying directions assume three dimensions. I dont belive I have read anywhere where VOR is going to give the updated field pressure number.
Sources have said that another of the 19 attackers, Ziad Samir Jarrah, purchased a GPS device at a store in Miami.
However, even though the EFIS was in the MAP mode at
the time, it was in the 80 nautical mile range setting, and so would not have shown DCA on
the display; consequently, it is unlikely that the hijackers used the map display on the EHSI
to deduce the correct heading for Washington. It follows that the hijackers had some other
means of obtaining this heading.
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by scrapple
I don't understand the relevance of the USA Today article
Tower to Plane coms chatter revealing exact field pressure in a corridor which has an implemented ground stop. Its tower aware of an inbound bogie?
The squaked pressure at that time for DCA was off by .02 - as it was a stale number from the previous hour - a recent pressure system had moved over the field. It was neither broadcast nor asked for by hijacker(where or when) it is recorded as a reset in the FDR altimeter.
No one was aware of Flight 77 until almost 9:30 a.m., that's around six minutes after the altimeter change.
Tower to Plane coms chatter revealing exact field pressure in a corridor which has an implemented ground stop. Its tower aware of an inbound bogie?
By 'squawked' do you mean with ASOS or ATIS?
The squaked pressure at that time for DCA was off by .02 - as it was a stale number from the previous hour - a recent pressure system had moved over the field. It was neither broadcast nor asked for by hijacker(where or when) it is recorded as a reset in the FDR altimeter.