I have created a free energy plant.

Originally posted by fonik
I just want everyone to know that I've acquired an amazing source of energy that may be related to the OP's design. It's a tiny membrane that, when placed between two liquids of varying temperature, only allows the faster moving particles from the colder side of the membrane to pass to the hotter side. This may be similar to the selective effects of gravity employed by the OP's apparatus.

I ordered this fantastic invention from a very reputable source, a man who goes by the name of Maxwell. He guarantees it will work but he added that it can be a real demon to set up.

A membrane can be used for separation based on the difference of diffusitivity of two molecules. It can save some energy in operation because it could be more efficient in separating substances. It won't create energy.

In our reverse-osmosis devices we use a membrane to separate salt from a brine. But it needs energy to operate. The device is more efficient than traditional distillation.

reply to post by an3rkist


Maybe not duped....but I think you've certainly had your leg pulled. He didn't "convert" a truck to run on water. Unless of course he actually had a steam engine under the hood. Heck, "cracking" the hydrogen from the water requires significant levels of engineering.

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My project has nothing to do with anything stated above in principles of science.

It is a continous movement of source.

It does not stop, ever.

And in turn it generates energy.

So I still don't understand if you're trying to disproove free energy.

It already has been done, and locked away in the crevices and depths of our faulty governments.

Amen on that.

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Someone knows what reverse osmosis is?

Wow I thought everyone was trying to prove me wrong all along.

Compression of water can create energy, but not infinetly, oil is better at doing so.

As stated prior this is not just my schematics people, I refined the idea, it is my fathers idea a 43 year old man who would laugh at all you skeptics using counter-intellegence methods to instigate verbal warfare.

He is highly more expierenced in hydrology and water treatment than I am, and he knows quite a bit about using water to generate energy me and him left off at what do we do with all the energy we generated and the filled tanks. We proposed booeying them up to the top. But that wouldn't work.

I have devised a way, along with my counterpart intellegence agency amongst the cosmos, too obliviate this matter of moving the transfered water. It's very very very intense, and uses multiple air compressions and post-generated electricity to create more aircompressions and boost out flow while also generating energy from the expelled substance.

However once again anything could be disinformation.

And someone will find a problem with what I just said anyways, but I continue to smirk at my unresponsive computer screen. =)

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Do you have this device in your possession and have you made it work? From what you said it sounds like the cold side would get colder. Heat, and this is really what the second law of thermodynamics is about, flows from hot to cold not cold to hot. High energy to low energy.

Water injection is a common way to help eliminate detonation in diesel and trubo-charged engines, maybe thats what they are talking about.
There is no way a standard piston engine will "run on water" alone.

To SomeGuy34,
man how old are you and what is your educational background?
Seems like your 12 with a fifth grade education maybe.
Your "idea" will not work

If that were the case then the literaly dozens of hydro electric plants around here would never have to pump the water they use back up the hill, WITH ELECTRICALY DRIVEN PUMPS, it would just happen magicaly.


Maxiumus Idioticus

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I seriously wouldn't let that guy get anywhere near my car or my wallet.

Who knows what kind of hocus pocus is going on under the hood of his truck.

reply to post by 2 cents


Well I haven't offered him money yet! I'm still going to investigate. Just because it's starting to look like it wasn't what I had thought it was doesn't mean it isn't! I can only hope...

Lets go ahead and stop making assumptions.

Mods, this thread has gone way off topic and obviouslly my opinion regarding anything doesn't matter.

So, I'd state you're all false.

And I am right.

Because anything can be said on this board if done the right way, and you can get away with it, and I just did. I am right, you are wrong if you don't believe in me.

Period.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
I am right, you are wrong if you don't believe in me.

Period.

It's things like this that have made this thread go "off-topic." And accusing people of being off-topic just because they're skeptical isn't going to sway the mods to shut them up, though they may do that of their own accord. Some of us are here to talk about free energy, and others are here to not listen to others' opinions. I'll refrain from saying which side you're on...

Skepticism is healthy, even for a budding "creator" like yourself. Perhaps the skeptics will point out a severe flaw in your logic and you'll be able to fix it and have a perfect idea...

[edit on 6/3/08 by an3rkist]

This thread is a complete waste of time. You don't explain anything in any detail. When someone, like me, points out a legitimate problem with your design you get all ... weird.

By the way you came here and asked 'someone to review your theorem'. What is your point really?

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
I am right, you are wrong if you don't believe in me.

Period.

enough said .... I'm outta here.

Peace

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
reply to post by TXRabbit

 

I will state I already have gained from this, in personal beliefs upon other users amongst this board, and certain individuals that could very well hold a firm standing on this project.

EDIT:

Also me and my father will most likely be collaborating with someone within the next week or two to get this experiment going.

We just need a minimal funding as stated, so I can have the ability to travel and pay for the miniscule resources to get a example plant going.

I will also enclose,

The bigger the better as far as this generator goes.
[edit on 6-3-2008 by SomeGuy34]

I have to admit, I was reading this thread with some enthusiasm, hoping that there was indeed some substance to the claim.

However, after reading the quote line that I emboldened - this sounds not unlike the ads that claim such things as, "If you send me X amount of money, I'll send you all the secrets to Y!!!".

Sorry...I didn't buy into the real estate infomercials, nor does this internet incarnation of one hold much hope for me either. Pity...

[edit on 3/6/2008 by Spacial_Hobo]

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Relax please. If there are counter-voices this can only help you to strengthen your case and better explain your point. You wont get any thread without counter-voices. Now back on topic and stay on topic - everyone.

Quite an interesting thread..

I can see why some people may find it confusing since it differs from the normal threads found within the ATS foums.. Sometimes in order to get to the contents of a nut, it is only necessary to study its shell. A hammer against the OP's wild claims is not required.

In the OP's first posting he starts with an attention grabbing headline that naturally draws the crowds in. On entering the thread the readers are informed:-


reply to post by SomeGuy34

I need someone to review my theorum, and it will not be publicly posted.


I am going to state, I will not be disclosing ANY serious schematics and/or data that may subject my project to be stolen, or locked away.

So this is a theorem and their will be no serious evidence provided to back up the OP's claims. So what is the purpose of this thread?

I need to meet person to person, and discuss this idea.

Thank you for your time

My first thought was perhaps the OP was trying to recruit potential believers to help prove and further develop his project but took another look at the top of the page and saw that I was still in the ATS forums, a place to discuss and debate conspiracies and claims.

A few posts later the OP replies to Trauma question asking for a crudely drawn schematic to help visualize the vague examples the OP had made earlier.

reply to post by SomeGuy34

As I disclosed there will be nothing released to put this project into jeopardy as it involves true facts of gravity and how to utilize it amongst it's component that will be lets say, spinning some resistors and in turn creating energy.


But anything I say could be very well untrue, so if you really want to learn, anymore, you must U2U me and contact will be made further so.

So here we have it. There will be nothing provided to backup the claims in order to keep the project safe from jeopardy and anything he says could very well be untrue. Now the thread is getting very restrictive from the point of discussion since its difficult to authenticate or debunk something the OP refuses to share and will only reveal more via U2U only.

On Page two the OP tells us:-


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This is not the only site I've posted this on either,

and I'm getting far more feedback than expected.

Ah, so the OP is recruiting people on blind faith to help him develop his theorem further using ATS's large audience pool with hopes of procuring some financial help along the way. Later on the OP mentions a few times of an outside email address for people from ATS to correspond further with him.

In short,

Since the OP has stated publicly, that he refuses to backup his claims, giving only vague answers to questions asked of him, I can only assume the OP is using ATS to recruit followers and that no serious discussion will come from this thread no matter how many pages of postings it gets.

Edit: Grammar correction.

[edit on 6/3/2008 by Freelancer]

Hugely entertaining and interesting thread.

The OP brought up a lot of interesting points and some of the diagrams posted struck a cord with me. Being an engineer, I have had a long-time interest in alternative power sources and weird wonderful devices.

Now, one point that has not been addressed by the OP is how he proposes to move from small power plant to powering the world in a short space of time? I assume from the detailed plans he has for the profits of his endeavours as well as the visualisations of basking in the glory of his creations (sitting on huge water towers, I believe?) he has at least filled in the blank of the formula:

Underpants -> Blank -> Profit

I also note an improvement in the level of english being used by the OP. Glad to see posting helping you get more confidence in your ability to use words to convey your ideas.

Finally a message being conveyed from afar for the OP. Considering the bible quotes, I think he could work out the trivia question:
"What stopped Moses from seeing the Promised Land?"

I have to ask the big question. Did you smoke any of it and was it fun. If you havent tries to smoke it then..... you should

I'm not religious.

I will disclose this with.

You generate energy from weight.

You have the weight in the tank.

What do you do to defill that tank.


=)

Bye.

Full marks to the kiddo for dreaming up an interesting science project. But you need to stay in school and not get all cocky about saving the world and making a gazillion dollars along the way. Apply some basic science first to make sure you are not making a mistake.

I wish i could help you with this but alas i am only 16 or i would, though if you are sincere and this is a real thing where you arent just trying to get attention (no accusation there) then i really wish you the best of luck in this and hope for the betterment of all mankind that this will work. Although i do believe you should not sell it in any conventional way because as said before you would be just as bad as the big corporations so try and find a happy-medium

I understand your design. Using the low pressure (or rather the providing the higher atmospheric pressure the foothold to attempt re-equalisation) to apply force to residual movement. You believe you have successfully theorised a perpetual motion machine.
Ok, I'm not asking you to share any results... Have you managed to prove this mathematically?
Just after a "yes" or "no" here.